Dj Ashba live video chat for nightrain members this Thursday.

[Ali]

I just think back to that open letter that Axl wrote to us in 2007.

In truth, did he really drop any bombs or make any guarantees?  Not really.  It was peppered with caveats and wording that honestly stated that they are trying to get it done.  But what it also did was clear up some of the things that went on with Merck, and how Axl was not happy with how some things were handled.  He admitted things got messed up and we deserved better.

But look how that was received.  It was a general sense of relief and reassurance.  OK, good...he actually does still give a shit.  That was the feeling.  There was, for the first time in some time up to that point, some actual proof the album would come out.

He should do something similar now.  For all the venom and annoyance people tend to put out there, most of that dries right up when he actually talks to us.  Look how much people kissed his ass during those chats.  And I mean people that had been trashing him.  But, end of the day, we are his fans.  We want to see him succeed and wish like hell things ran smoother.

But, how long do you think that good will would actually last?

He took a chance in the December 2006 open letter and announced a tentative release date of March 2007.  Obviously, that didn't come to pass for whatever reason. 

I think the end, the fact that March 2007 came and went with no album only added to the frustration and cynicism, and whatever good will was obtained with the December 2006 open letter was lost.

That situation is actually why I think if he were to do something similar in the future (with regards to that open letter), it should be done if and ONLY if there is a solid release date that the record company has agreed to and will support.

Ali

[jarmo]

It seems like some fans, no names mentioned, seems to need a pat on the back from the band to make them feel appreciated.

When they get that, they're happy, for a while. And then they start the complaints about being lied to etc. etc.
Yet they wonder why there's no simple win-win answer to their prayers.




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

It seems like some fans, no names mentioned, seems to need a pat on the back from the band to make them feel appreciated.

When they get that, they're happy, for a while. And then they start the complaints about being lied to etc. etc.
Yet they wonder why there's no simple win-win answer to their prayers.

Well, I will mention names.  This is the only GNR board in the universe that preaches this routine, and you are a big part of that effort.

Are you totally blind to the fact that your tone and general demeanor is likely not doing the band any favors on the P.R. front?  Can you turn off the lecturing tone for even a day?

I get that you have a hard job towing the company line and putting the best possible spin on one shit sandwich after another.  And some of what you say is actually very valid, please don't think I'm saying otherwise.  But people can only be talked down to so many times before they stop giving a shit entirely, and I can't imagine anyone wants that.  Look at the traffic around here lately, or more to the point, the lack of it.  People want realism, Jarmo.  Not propaganda and "hey, I'm just saying" passive aggressive insults all the live long day.

[jarmo]

Are you totally blind to the fact that your tone and general demeanor is likely not doing the band any favors on the P.R. front?  Can you turn off the lecturing tone for even a day?

Am I what?
I'm talking the way I talk. I'm sorry it offends you.
By the way, read my signature for clues. I don't speak on behalf of anybody else unless I say so. 

I get that you have a hard job towing the company line and putting the best possible spin on one shit sandwich after another.  And some of what you say is actually very valid, please don't think I'm saying otherwise.  But people can only be talked down to so many times before they stop giving a shit entirely, and I can't imagine anyone wants that.  Look at the traffic around here lately, or more to the point, the lack of it.  People want realism, Jarmo.  Not propaganda and "hey, I'm just saying" passive aggressive insults all the live long day.

People want realism? What realism? Only what you consider real and anybody who disagrees isn't? 

I speak what I think. I don't act, I don't create usernames and characters to get fans. I say what I think. Simple as that.
Maybe I don't sugarcoat things enough for some people, I'm sorry if it offends you.


Nothing you say is new or original. We've been there, done that.

It's always something that's not "right" for certain fans. Doesn't it get tiring to constantly whine about things you can't change? Doesn't it get to you that you need to spend all this time on spewing the same complaints year after year?

You can't change the band or the people in it to what you want them to be. Relax. It's not your fault! Don't take it personally. We're all human here, accept people for what they are instead of trying to change them. 

What kind of pot of gold at the end of the rainbow are you waiting for that'll make you happy? I'm curious. Because I don't see it happening with some fans. I'm sorry for the lack of "realism" in saying that. But if the past has showed us anything, it's that certain fans will never be happy. Just small bursts of temporary happiness... 


Sorry for being too blunt and offending you. And I'm not speaking on behalf of anybody else in this post. Just to be 100% clear.


/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

I'm talking the way I talk. I'm sorry it offends you.
By the way, read my signature for clues. I don't speak on behalf of anybody else unless I say so. 

I'm a big boy, Jarmo.  I don't care if you call me mean names.  After all, we're talking about a rock band.  We're not exactly solving the world's problems over here.  My only point was that I think its sort of lame that feel you must cut down and talk down to anyone that offers any sort of criticism.  To hear you tell it, no beef is ever legit.  That gets old.  Most of us could type your responses before you do, because they are that predictable.

As for that second bit...be serious.  Not a one of us here believes you aren't speaking for the band.  And if that is so off base, you can disprove it at any time by starting to allow some dissenting opinions around here go unchallenged, if not simply not deleted outright.  It might also lend some more credibility to that claim if you ever expressed an opinion on something that was not in lockstep with Axl or the management's wishes.  Guarantee you, if you ever actually did, that news would ring out on every GNR forum on the internet.  Believe that.

What kind of pot of gold at the end of the rainbow are you waiting for that'll make you happy? I'm curious. Because I don't see it happening with some fans. I'm sorry for the lack of "realism" in saying that. But if the past has showed us anything, it's that certain fans will never be happy. Just small bursts of temporary happiness...

Some will never be happy, I agree.

What am I looking for?  A more competent and professionally run operation.  By any objective standard, present day Guns N' Roses is anything but.  I'm not talking about hurt feelings or who is owed what.  I'm saying music is a business, and at the level of a Guns N' Roses type of band, its big business.  And the way they run their business needs a near complete overhaul.

[Mysteron]

I'm talking the way I talk. I'm sorry it offends you.
By the way, read my signature for clues. I don't speak on behalf of anybody else unless I say so. 

I'm a big boy, Jarmo.  I don't care if you call me mean names.  After all, we're talking about a rock band.  We're not exactly solving the world's problems over here.  My only point was that I think its sort of lame that feel you must cut down and talk down to anyone that offers any sort of criticism.  To hear you tell it, no beef is ever legit.  That gets old.  Most of us could type your responses before you do, because they are that predictable.

As for that second bit...be serious.  Not a one of us here believes you aren't speaking for the band.  And if that is so off base, you can disprove it at any time by starting to allow some dissenting opinions around here go unchallenged, if not simply not deleted outright.  It might also lend some more credibility to that claim if you ever expressed an opinion on something that was not in lockstep with Axl or the management's wishes.  Guarantee you, if you ever actually did, that news would ring out on every GNR forum on the internet.  Believe that.

What kind of pot of gold at the end of the rainbow are you waiting for that'll make you happy? I'm curious. Because I don't see it happening with some fans. I'm sorry for the lack of "realism" in saying that. But if the past has showed us anything, it's that certain fans will never be happy. Just small bursts of temporary happiness...

Some will never be happy, I agree.

What am I looking for?  A more competent and professionally run operation.  By any objective standard, present day Guns N' Roses is anything but.  I'm not talking about hurt feelings or who is owed what.  I'm saying music is a business, and at the level of a Guns N' Roses type of band, its big business.  And the way they run their business needs a near complete overhaul.

You answered the question, 'what are you looking for' with the most flimsy response ever. Say specifically what you want to see.

If Guns do not have anything specific planned, then what should happen. Don't say Guns should make something happen because that does not happen in real life if you manage a band.

[D-GenerationX]

You answered the question, 'what are you looking for' with the most flimsy response ever. Say specifically what you want to see.

Back in time, or going forward?  Tell you what, I'll do both.

Back In Time :

- Release a long awaited album and promote it.  And I mean a real interview.  Not a preapproved circle jerk with Del and some scattershot chats on message boards that do very little discussion of your new album or current line-up.  Ever notice how little of those chats are about the new material or his current band?  Isn't that a disservice to them?  They stuck with you for 10 years, and you don't give them their due?  Instead, he's talking about how he still hates Slash.  Seriously, guy?  Is he not better served saying "That's in the past.  Let's talk about the current band, who I think are really great.  And here is why."  Talk up you new product and current personnel.  We don't really care about that time Slash didn't call you back in 1995.  Or whatever message board moderator is under your skin.  Is that relevant?

- Don't release a long awaited album in November 2008, then not surface until December 2009 on the far side of the world.  Just what the hell was that?  That makes business sense?  In what universe?

Going Forward :

- Stop throwing your band members to the wolves.  You send them out to do chats that presumably you can't be bothered to do and they can't talk about the damn band.  This makes sense?  That does them a disservice.  I think they are real sports, to be honest.  I'm also going to start feeling better about the current state of affairs when they are asked questions at events about what is up with the band they are supposedly in, and they stop responding with laughter.  Or general "beats the shit out of me" type answers.  It doesn't give the impression this is a functional band.

- A press release takes...what, 5 minutes of your time?  You can't get that together?  Even if its just to say you are putting the finishing touches on whatever is in this alleged vault and you are excited to be doing it.  Why does Axl make everything seems like a chore?  You'd think he's working on a fucking chain gang here, not conducting his chosen profession.

***MOST IMPORTANTLY***

- You make a decision once and for all.  You either say nothing and live with whatever speculation comes down the pike...or you take an active hand in setting the record straight when it needs to be.  But, Jesus Christ, pick one.  You don't spend entire years holed up in the 'Estranged' mansion, then get salty that people are "spreading lies".  if you truly give a shit about that, set it right.  And if you don't, let people say whatever.  But don't come out of hiding after 12-15 months and lament how unhappy you were with something that got reported the way it did.  Well...where the fuck were you as it was happening?  Were you in captivity in a North Korean prison?  If you saw it and it bothered you, speak up.  Or, you say nothing, let people say whatever, and don't pitch a fit then you finally do re-emerge.

- For the love of god...ENOUGH with how every other band in the world can do even the simplest things without a bother, but for Guns N' Roses, you need a downright Act Of Congress.  Releasing an album is basic.  Bands do it all the time.  Releasing a DVD should not be this hard.  But to hear them tell it, oh, you just can't imagine how hard it is struggling against the forces of evil that try and hold us down at every turn.  Yeah?  BULLSHIT.  At some point, its look in the mirror time.  How come every single thing you try to do is so god damn hard?  Why can't you ever seem to get a break, to even do something as humdrum as releasing a damn video.  How is that 'Better' video coming along, by the way?  Give me a break with that stuff.

[Ali]

No offense, but when has anybody from the band or its management said "you just can't imagine how hard it is struggling against the forces of evil that try and hold us down at every turn" with regards to the release of the live concert?

When they've had information that is significant and worthy of a press release, like the announcement of a tour or the Vegas residency, they've put out press releases.  I don't see at this point what they would put a press release out about.

Ali

[D-GenerationX]

No offense, but when has anybody from the band or its management said "you just can't imagine how hard it is struggling against the forces of evil that try and hold us down at every turn" with regards to the release of the live concert?

When they've had information that is significant and worthy of a press release, like the announcement of a tour or the Vegas residency, they've put out press releases.  I don't see at this point what they would put a press release out about.

Ali

Semantics for the win, Ali.  Big ups.  It was obviously not a direct quote, which I suspect you know.

But, just to be clear, in 6 paragraphs up there...you see nothing valid?  I did not say one thing with any credence?

[Mysteron]

You answered the question, 'what are you looking for' with the most flimsy response ever. Say specifically what you want to see.

Back in time, or going forward?  Tell you what, I'll do both.

Back In Time :

- Release a long awaited album and promote it.  And I mean a real interview.  Not a preapproved circle jerk with Del and some scattershot chats on message boards that do very little discussion of your new album or current line-up.  Ever notice how little of those chats are about the new material or his current band?  Isn't that a disservice to them?  They stuck with you for 10 years, and you don't give them their due?  Instead, he's talking about how he still hates Slash.  Seriously, guy?  Is he not better served saying "That's in the past.  Let's talk about the current band, who I think are really great.  And here is why."  Talk up you new product and current personnel.  We don't really care about that time Slash didn't call you back in 1995.  Or whatever message board moderator is under your skin.  Is that relevant?

- Don't release a long awaited album in November 2008, then not surface until December 2009 on the far side of the world.  Just what the hell was that?  That makes business sense?  In what universe?

Going Forward :

- Stop throwing your band members to the wolves.  You send them out to do chats that presumably you can't be bothered to do and they can't talk about the damn band.  This makes sense?  That does them a disservice.  I think they are real sports, to be honest.  I'm also going to start feeling better about the current state of affairs when they are asked questions at events about what is up with the band they are supposedly in, and they stop responding with laughter.  Or general "beats the shit out of me" type answers.  It doesn't give the impression this is a functional band.

- A press release takes...what, 5 minutes of your time?  You can't get that together?  Even if its just to say you are putting the finishing touches on whatever is in this alleged vault and you are excited to be doing it.  Why does Axl make everything seems like a chore?  You'd think he's working on a fucking chain gang here, not conducting his chosen profession.

***MOST IMPORTANTLY***

- You make a decision once and for all.  You either say nothing and live with whatever speculation comes down the pike...or you take an active hand in setting the record straight when it needs to be.  But, Jesus Christ, pick one.  You don't spend entire years holed up in the 'Estranged' mansion, then get salty that people are "spreading lies".  if you truly give a shit about that, set it right.  And if you don't, let people say whatever.  But don't come out of hiding after 12-15 months and lament how unhappy you were with something that got reported the way it did.  Well...where the fuck were you as it was happening?  Were you in captivity in a North Korean prison?  If you saw it and it bothered you, speak up.  Or, you say nothing, let people say whatever, and don't pitch a fit then you finally do re-emerge.

- For the love of god...ENOUGH with how every other band in the world can do even the simplest things without a bother, but for Guns N' Roses, you need a downright Act Of Congress.  Releasing an album is basic.  Bands do it all the time.  Releasing a DVD should not be this hard.  But to hear them tell it, oh, you just can't imagine how hard it is struggling against the forces of evil that try and hold us down at every turn.  Yeah?  BULLSHIT.  At some point, its look in the mirror time.  How come every single thing you try to do is so god damn hard?  Why can't you ever seem to get a break, to even do something as humdrum as releasing a damn video.  How is that 'Better' video coming along, by the way?  Give me a break with that stuff.

You really need to find something else to focus your life on. The intensity of your post is a little worrying. Guns are a few blokes who play music and do the odd album here and there.

If I read your post on the Chas n' Dave forum, the social workers would be out en masse deciding whether you should be sectioned or not.

[jarmo]

I'm a big boy, Jarmo.  I don't care if you call me mean names.

I didn't call you any names. Maybe I called a group of people fans and you felt targeted?
If you're such a big boy, how come you bring up my posts on a frequent basis? If it's not you feeling personally attacked, then it's me "talking down to people"....

After all, we're talking about a rock band.  We're not exactly solving the world's problems over here.  My only point was that I think its sort of lame that feel you must cut down and talk down to anyone that offers any sort of criticism.  To hear you tell it, no beef is ever legit.  That gets old.  Most of us could type your responses before you do, because they are that predictable.

You want "realism" but I'm not allowed to say what I think...?

As for that second bit...be serious.  Not a one of us here believes you aren't speaking for the band.

Well then I got a bridge to sell to you and those like you.
I'm sorry to have to burst your bubble and that things aren't like you imagined....

And if that is so off base, you can disprove it at any time by starting to allow some dissenting opinions around here go unchallenged, if not simply not deleted outright.

 

That's a load of bullshit. Sorry.
I'll let people post shit just to prove something that's already a lie to be a lie? Not gonna happen.

It might also lend some more credibility to that claim if you ever expressed an opinion on something that was not in lockstep with Axl or the management's wishes.  Guarantee you, if you ever actually did, that news would ring out on every GNR forum on the internet.  Believe that.

Maybe you can tell me their wishes since I don't know.... I don't exactly ask for permission to post what I think. Maybe you could fill me in on that one. Thanks.

What am I looking for?  A more competent and professionally run operation.  By any objective standard, present day Guns N' Roses is anything but.  I'm not talking about hurt feelings or who is owed what.  I'm saying music is a business, and at the level of a Guns N' Roses type of band, its big business.  And the way they run their business needs a near complete overhaul.

What a general vague statement that is.

What exactly is so bad? Haven't we heard these complaints for years now? And what's happened? We got the album you were "waiting for", we got tours that weren't canceled, we got an official site, Twitter accounts, TV interviews, press interviews, official fan club, fan club chats, pre-sales, web streams and so on and so on.

You want a "professional run operation" but as soon as the band announced shows, didn't we see the cries of "cash grab" being posted by the so called objective fans? A touring active band isn't professional anymore?


Oh, I see you're still bringing up events from November-December 2008..... Would you say David Bowie, who didn't promote his latest album and isn't touring, is not professional enough?



/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

You really need to find something else to focus your life on. The intensity of your post is a little worrying. Guns are a few blokes who play music and do the odd album here and there.

This is such a lazy cop out answer.  And I can't even sum up an "all due respect" for you, because I have no respect for this.

Let's even table the fact you asked me a direct question to go into specifics, then rip me for answering it.  Let me guess.  If I didn't say anything, am I "ducking it"?

But even in the more general sense, this is a GNR forum.  We talk about...wait for it...GNR.  I know, who knew, right?  What should I be talking about?  Sports?  Politics?  TV shows?

I'm killing time at work, just like all of you.  Its lame and pathetic to ignore all context here.  Are you actually arguing with a straight face that I am going to log off here, go home, and continue to talk about Axl Rose?  Am I going to put on a sandwich board and stand on a street corner and ring a bell?  I won't get to sleep because Axl Rose won't do an interview?  Of course not.  That's fucking retarded.  I talk about GNR at a GNR site, just like I would a sports team at a sports site, or politics on a  politics forum.  

But, hey...same question.  6 paragraphs up there.  Nothing valid?  Not one good point?

[D-GenerationX]

If you're such a big boy, how come you bring up my posts on a frequent basis? If it's not you feeling personally attacked, then it's me "talking down to people"....

Honestly?  Because like 7 people post here on a regular basis these days.  I don't exactly have a lot of options.  And you tend to respond to things I say, and conversations are what message boards are, no?  Its just a dialogue about a common interest.

As for the rest of your post, well, I don't know what to tell you.  You aren't a stupid man.  You know what the impression of both you and this site are with the GNR community at large.  I'm certainly not breaking any news here, I can't imagine.  And, cards on the table?  I don't see how they are wrong.  This site is little more than state run media.  And we all know it going in, so none of us can claim unfair surprise.  We know its going to be the rose colored glasses view of everything, and certain views and criticisms won't be tolerated here.

Having said all that, you have really let me speak my mind today.  Won't lie, I'm shocked.  This was not how I was led to believe you rolled.  So while I absolutely will not even remotely disagree you preach the company line at all times, after today, I'd have to take issue with anyone that says you bounce anyone that speaks out.  That didn't happen to me today.  And I respect that.

[Mysteron]

You really need to find something else to focus your life on. The intensity of your post is a little worrying. Guns are a few blokes who play music and do the odd album here and there.

This is such a lazy cop out answer.  And I can't even sum up an "all due respect" for you, because I have no respect for this.

Let's even table the fact you asked me a direct question to go into specifics, then rip me for answering it.  Let me guess.  If I didn't say anything, am I "ducking it"?

But even in the more general sense, this is a GNR forum.  We talk about...wait for it...GNR.  I know, who knew, right?  What should I be talking about?  Sports?  Politics?  TV shows?

I'm killing time at work, just like all of you.  Its lame and pathetic to ignore all context here.  Are you actually arguing with a straight face that I am going to log off here, go home, and continue to talk about what a fuck up Axl Rose can be?  Am I going to put on a sandwich board and stand on a street corner and ring a bell?  I won't get to sleep because Axl Rose won't do an interview?  Of course not.  That's fucking retarded.  I talk about GNR at a GNR site, just like I would a sports team at a sports site, or politics on a  politics forum.  

But, hey...same question.  6 paragraphs up there.  Nothing valid?  Not one good point?

Not really. There are no valid points

You just sound like a frustrated fan, if I am being kind. Or a nutcase, if I am being unkind

[D-GenerationX]

You want a "professional run operation" but as soon as the band announced shows, didn't we see the cries of "cash grab" being posted by the so called objective fans? A touring active band isn't professional anymore?

Did want to address this one point though without mixing it in with the other.

I'm with you.  Dumbest criticism going today.  It makes zero sense.  I have ripped it at every GNR board I have been at.  Logically, all tours by any band ever are "cash grabs".  Its a business.  This is how they make money.

[D-GenerationX]

You really need to find something else to focus your life on. The intensity of your post is a little worrying. Guns are a few blokes who play music and do the odd album here and there.

This is such a lazy cop out answer.  And I can't even sum up an "all due respect" for you, because I have no respect for this.

Let's even table the fact you asked me a direct question to go into specifics, then rip me for answering it.  Let me guess.  If I didn't say anything, am I "ducking it"?

But even in the more general sense, this is a GNR forum.  We talk about...wait for it...GNR.  I know, who knew, right?  What should I be talking about?  Sports?  Politics?  TV shows?

I'm killing time at work, just like all of you.  Its lame and pathetic to ignore all context here.  Are you actually arguing with a straight face that I am going to log off here, go home, and continue to talk about what a fuck up Axl Rose can be?  Am I going to put on a sandwich board and stand on a street corner and ring a bell?  I won't get to sleep because Axl Rose won't do an interview?  Of course not.  That's fucking retarded.  I talk about GNR at a GNR site, just like I would a sports team at a sports site, or politics on a  politics forum.  

But, hey...same question.  6 paragraphs up there.  Nothing valid?  Not one good point?

Not really. There are no valid points

You just sound like a frustrated fan, if I am being kind. Or a nutcase, if I am being unkind

Tough break for me, then.  6 paragraphs, not one valid point.  Perhaps I will do better tomorrow.

But yeah, I'd say I'm a frustrated fan.  When I watch a sports team struggle though an inept losing season, I tend to not take the view I should be happy they simply bothered to suit up.  That, to me, seems like a rather minimum requirement.  I tend to take the view everyone would be better off, principals and the fanbase, if things were run better.  Perhaps we have a difference of opinion there.  It happens.

[jarmo]

The Internet is a fantastic tool isn't it? I've had people who I've never met or spoken to tell me what I think and why I think the way I do.
It's quite amazing really.

This site offers a different perspective to the so called "objective fan sites". That's all.



/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

This site offers a different perspective to the so called "objective fan sites". That's all.

On that, my friend, we agree.  Its why I come here.  Both sides need a voice.

[sofine11]

You really need to find something else to focus your life on. The intensity of your post is a little worrying. Guns are a few blokes who play music and do the odd album here and there.

This is such a lazy cop out answer.  And I can't even sum up an "all due respect" for you, because I have no respect for this.

Let's even table the fact you asked me a direct question to go into specifics, then rip me for answering it.  Let me guess.  If I didn't say anything, am I "ducking it"?

But even in the more general sense, this is a GNR forum.  We talk about...wait for it...GNR.  I know, who knew, right?  What should I be talking about?  Sports?  Politics?  TV shows?

I'm killing time at work, just like all of you.  Its lame and pathetic to ignore all context here.  Are you actually arguing with a straight face that I am going to log off here, go home, and continue to talk about what a fuck up Axl Rose can be?  Am I going to put on a sandwich board and stand on a street corner and ring a bell?  I won't get to sleep because Axl Rose won't do an interview?  Of course not.  That's fucking retarded.  I talk about GNR at a GNR site, just like I would a sports team at a sports site, or politics on a  politics forum.  

But, hey...same question.  6 paragraphs up there.  Nothing valid?  Not one good point?

Not really. There are no valid points

You just sound like a frustrated fan, if I am being kind. Or a nutcase, if I am being unkind

That's not very nice.  Aren't you the fella that Fernando tore into a couple years back for coming onto GNR sites passing along information as an "insider"?  Doesn't exactly sounds like a passive fan enjoying a message board to me.

Just saying...I think D-X is entitled to his opinion without being attacked, and isn't exactly incorrect in his thinking at that.

[Mysteron]

You really need to find something else to focus your life on. The intensity of your post is a little worrying. Guns are a few blokes who play music and do the odd album here and there.

This is such a lazy cop out answer.  And I can't even sum up an "all due respect" for you, because I have no respect for this.

Let's even table the fact you asked me a direct question to go into specifics, then rip me for answering it.  Let me guess.  If I didn't say anything, am I "ducking it"?

But even in the more general sense, this is a GNR forum.  We talk about...wait for it...GNR.  I know, who knew, right?  What should I be talking about?  Sports?  Politics?  TV shows?

I'm killing time at work, just like all of you.  Its lame and pathetic to ignore all context here.  Are you actually arguing with a straight face that I am going to log off here, go home, and continue to talk about what a fuck up Axl Rose can be?  Am I going to put on a sandwich board and stand on a street corner and ring a bell?  I won't get to sleep because Axl Rose won't do an interview?  Of course not.  That's fucking retarded.  I talk about GNR at a GNR site, just like I would a sports team at a sports site, or politics on a  politics forum.  

But, hey...same question.  6 paragraphs up there.  Nothing valid?  Not one good point?

Not really. There are no valid points

You just sound like a frustrated fan, if I am being kind. Or a nutcase, if I am being unkind

That's not very nice.  Aren't you the fella that Fernando tore into a couple years back for coming onto GNR sites passing along information as an "insider"?  Doesn't exactly sounds like a passive fan enjoying a message board to me.

Just saying...I think D-X is entitled to his opinion without being attacked, and isn't exactly incorrect in his thinking at that.

First bit, yeah, it happened, was apologised to afterwards. Not great shakes, and no plus points for you

Second bit, D-X is attacking initially. Follow the conversation, it is led to a point where he can output his grievances. At that point, the big post, he becomes more fair. I am still harsh latterly, but that is life