Dj Ashba live video chat for nightrain members this Thursday.

[D-GenerationX]

I would rather suggest that, since we cannot expect any information on any relevant topics, they should leave the chats be. There is no point in throwing bandmember to the wolves when in fact they have nothing to tell at all. Or are only allowed to answer to pre-selected questions. People are expecting real news and no "laid back avoiding of the elephant in the room". It's just not possible to twist that or deny it if you have some sense of reality. By doing that, TB or whoever is responsible, will just add to the negativity that has been building up among the fanbase since some time. I agree that to some extent one has to pay attention in order for the trolling not to get out of hand. But then again, as far as I'm concerned, not a single question about new music/future plans of the band passed the censorship.

Post of the day, right here.  Would not change a word.

[Mysteron]

There is a simple way to sort this in the future.

Nightrain should set up a thread 2-3 weeks prior to the next event, and ask Nightrain members to ask questions during this period.

Management can then filter out the questions from non members in their own time, then in the days before the event, members can agree a final set of questions to ask. That way, everything is open and transparent, everyone is clear and happy about the process and it would also represent less work for management during the process.

[sofine11]

I would rather suggest that, since we cannot expect any information on any relevant topics, they should leave the chats be. There is no point in throwing bandmember to the wolves when in fact they have nothing to tell at all. Or are only allowed to answer to pre-selected questions. People are expecting real news and no "laid back avoiding of the elephant in the room". It's just not possible to twist that or deny it if you have some sense of reality. By doing that, TB or whoever is responsible, will just add to the negativity that has been building up among the fanbase since some time. I agree that to some extent one has to pay attention in order for the trolling not to get out of hand. But then again, as far as I'm concerned, not a single question about new music/future plans of the band passed the censorship.

Post of the day, right here.  Would not change a word.

Yep.  Spot on, really.

[Dok]

There is a simple way to sort this in the future.

Nightrain should set up a thread 2-3 weeks prior to the next event, and ask Nightrain members to ask questions during this period.

Management can then filter out the questions from non members in their own time, then in the days before the event, members can agree a final set of questions to ask. That way, everything is open and transparent, everyone is clear and happy about the process and it would also represent less work for management during the process.

The way you'd put it, it would turn out to be a fucking press conference/interview where they can laborate over how to answer chosen questions. It's only open and transparent from one end as you can also answer a question without giving away anything as we've seen countless times with Axl. I'd say Axl visiting various boards and answering fans questions was the perfect way to do such a thing. And a real cool one it was because was there any trolling or other disrespectful stuff thrown at him? Taken all things into consideration, I don't think so.
Maybe if there'd be an indepent collection of questions (with rules that only questions concerning this configuration of the band, new music, future are allowed) that would be handed and ultimatly answered by Axl, this whole idea would make sense. But with this management I don't see it happen. And basically most people don't care about anyone in the band but Axl and if there will be new music out at some point. I don't wanna know about DJ, his wife or clothes, Dizzy or Pitman - they might be gone/fired/replaced tomorrow anyway. But that, I already stated so I stick with my argument: Unless they have something relevant to say, shut up. It's only oil to the fire. Seems like management thinks it's doing fans a favor when in reality it only adds to the mocking that's already going on for a while. They live in their own world I assume. If they have something to say, Axl should step up and do it because we have seen in the past that all players in his band have as much of a clue of what's going on than we do. I also bet that if there are people who are really curious about anything non-Guns-related all of the players have various social-media outlets to let them know. If, however, these people show up as members of Guns N' Roses I wanna know about what's going on and not be fucking told what to think of them, ask them, not ask them and not be told to be happy with what I got because Guns is so different from any other band on the planet or some other detracting nonsense.

[Mysteron]

There is a simple way to sort this in the future.

Nightrain should set up a thread 2-3 weeks prior to the next event, and ask Nightrain members to ask questions during this period.

Management can then filter out the questions from non members in their own time, then in the days before the event, members can agree a final set of questions to ask. That way, everything is open and transparent, everyone is clear and happy about the process and it would also represent less work for management during the process.

The way you'd put it, it would turn out to be a fucking press conference/interview where they can laborate over how to answer chosen questions. It's only open and transparent from one end as you can also answer a question without giving away anything as we've seen countless times with Axl. I'd say Axl visiting various boards and answering fans questions was the perfect way to do such a thing. And a real cool one it was because was there any trolling or other disrespectful stuff thrown at him? Taken all things into consideration, I don't think so.
Maybe if there'd be an indepent collection of questions (with rules that only questions concerning this configuration of the band, new music, future are allowed) that would be handed and ultimatly answered by Axl, this whole idea would make sense. But with this management I don't see it happen. And basically most people don't care about anyone in the band but Axl and if there will be new music out at some point. I don't wanna know about DJ, his wife or clothes, Dizzy or Pitman - they might be gone/fired/replaced tomorrow anyway. But that, I already stated so I stick with my argument: Unless they have something relevant to say, shut up. It's only oil to the fire. Seems like management thinks it's doing fans a favor when in reality it only adds to the mocking that's already going on for a while. They live in their own world I assume. If they have something to say, Axl should step up and do it because we have seen in the past that all players in his band have as much of a clue of what's going on than we do. I also bet that if there are people who are really curious about anything non-Guns-related all of the players have various social-media outlets to let them know. If, however, these people show up as members of Guns N' Roses I wanna know about what's going on and not be fucking told what to think of them, ask them, not ask them and not be told to be happy with what I got because Guns is so different from any other band on the planet or some other detracting nonsense.

Your argument is perfectly fine, but there are people that want to know about the other band members, and the chats are aimed at them, and my response is aimed at this area too.

You are obviously of a certain opinion about members other that Axl, and that is fine. But let the fans that do have interest in the other band members have their fun without judgement, let them chat and do their thing.

[Dok]

There is a simple way to sort this in the future.

Nightrain should set up a thread 2-3 weeks prior to the next event, and ask Nightrain members to ask questions during this period.

Management can then filter out the questions from non members in their own time, then in the days before the event, members can agree a final set of questions to ask. That way, everything is open and transparent, everyone is clear and happy about the process and it would also represent less work for management during the process.

The way you'd put it, it would turn out to be a fucking press conference/interview where they can laborate over how to answer chosen questions. It's only open and transparent from one end as you can also answer a question without giving away anything as we've seen countless times with Axl. I'd say Axl visiting various boards and answering fans questions was the perfect way to do such a thing. And a real cool one it was because was there any trolling or other disrespectful stuff thrown at him? Taken all things into consideration, I don't think so.
Maybe if there'd be an indepent collection of questions (with rules that only questions concerning this configuration of the band, new music, future are allowed) that would be handed and ultimatly answered by Axl, this whole idea would make sense. But with this management I don't see it happen. And basically most people don't care about anyone in the band but Axl and if there will be new music out at some point. I don't wanna know about DJ, his wife or clothes, Dizzy or Pitman - they might be gone/fired/replaced tomorrow anyway. But that, I already stated so I stick with my argument: Unless they have something relevant to say, shut up. It's only oil to the fire. Seems like management thinks it's doing fans a favor when in reality it only adds to the mocking that's already going on for a while. They live in their own world I assume. If they have something to say, Axl should step up and do it because we have seen in the past that all players in his band have as much of a clue of what's going on than we do. I also bet that if there are people who are really curious about anything non-Guns-related all of the players have various social-media outlets to let them know. If, however, these people show up as members of Guns N' Roses I wanna know about what's going on and not be fucking told what to think of them, ask them, not ask them and not be told to be happy with what I got because Guns is so different from any other band on the planet or some other detracting nonsense.

Your argument is perfectly fine, but there are people that want to know about the other band members, and the chats are aimed at them, and my response is aimed at this area too.

You are obviously of a certain opinion about members other that Axl, and that is fine. But let the fans that do have interest in the other band members have their fun without judgement, let them chat and do their thing.

Well, as I have already stated: In the context of them representing Guns N' Roses it is alright to talk about side projects and their own stuff, too. But not all of the time when everything concering GNR is a no-go. GNR could advertise a DJ chat on his own website - no big deal. If GNR is going to announce a chat with one of his members I think it's highly logical to ask: "What's going on in the band?" and not "How is your wife?" I bet most of us are in it for the music, not the personal lifesyles.

I have too disagree with you as far as the chat participants (also fans) interest in the other band members is concerned: They have their own sites and media outlets. As I've stated before: A Guns N' Roses chat with a member of that band has to be open to questions about what the band is doing and what it is doing right now. Especially considering that most fans, at this point, are rather less pleased with how things are going. I don't need to go into detail.

[smeagol2124]

Hey Dok, Where was I when you were elected leader and speaker for all of us fans?  You say things with such authority as if you know all to be true.  Your self importance is really getting old, so here's a suggestion - just leave.  No one will miss you, no one will shed a tear if you are never heard from again.   

Seriously chump, your act is old and tired and no one cares about you or your opinion.  DJ's chat was just fine, and it's a good time to be a fan.

[Mysteron]

There is a simple way to sort this in the future.

Nightrain should set up a thread 2-3 weeks prior to the next event, and ask Nightrain members to ask questions during this period.

Management can then filter out the questions from non members in their own time, then in the days before the event, members can agree a final set of questions to ask. That way, everything is open and transparent, everyone is clear and happy about the process and it would also represent less work for management during the process.

The way you'd put it, it would turn out to be a fucking press conference/interview where they can laborate over how to answer chosen questions. It's only open and transparent from one end as you can also answer a question without giving away anything as we've seen countless times with Axl. I'd say Axl visiting various boards and answering fans questions was the perfect way to do such a thing. And a real cool one it was because was there any trolling or other disrespectful stuff thrown at him? Taken all things into consideration, I don't think so.
Maybe if there'd be an indepent collection of questions (with rules that only questions concerning this configuration of the band, new music, future are allowed) that would be handed and ultimatly answered by Axl, this whole idea would make sense. But with this management I don't see it happen. And basically most people don't care about anyone in the band but Axl and if there will be new music out at some point. I don't wanna know about DJ, his wife or clothes, Dizzy or Pitman - they might be gone/fired/replaced tomorrow anyway. But that, I already stated so I stick with my argument: Unless they have something relevant to say, shut up. It's only oil to the fire. Seems like management thinks it's doing fans a favor when in reality it only adds to the mocking that's already going on for a while. They live in their own world I assume. If they have something to say, Axl should step up and do it because we have seen in the past that all players in his band have as much of a clue of what's going on than we do. I also bet that if there are people who are really curious about anything non-Guns-related all of the players have various social-media outlets to let them know. If, however, these people show up as members of Guns N' Roses I wanna know about what's going on and not be fucking told what to think of them, ask them, not ask them and not be told to be happy with what I got because Guns is so different from any other band on the planet or some other detracting nonsense.

Your argument is perfectly fine, but there are people that want to know about the other band members, and the chats are aimed at them, and my response is aimed at this area too.

You are obviously of a certain opinion about members other that Axl, and that is fine. But let the fans that do have interest in the other band members have their fun without judgement, let them chat and do their thing.

Well, as I have already stated: In the context of them representing Guns N' Roses it is alright to talk about side projects and their own stuff, too. But not all of the time when everything concering GNR is a no-go. GNR could advertise a DJ chat on his own website - no big deal. If GNR is going to announce a chat with one of his members I think it's highly logical to ask: "What's going on in the band?" and not "How is your wife?" I bet most of us are in it for the music, not the personal lifesyles.

I have too disagree with you as far as the chat participants (also fans) interest in the other band members is concerned: They have their own sites and media outlets. As I've stated before: A Guns N' Roses chat with a member of that band has to be open to questions about what the band is doing and what it is doing right now. Especially considering that most fans, at this point, are rather less pleased with how things are going. I don't need to go into detail.

Stop with the 'most fans' things you do. You speak for yourself, that is all. Most fans do not post.

Anyway, I was saying, with more preparation, this chat would have thrown more GN'R in there.

The video chat was seemingly done off the cuff, that is a tough thing to do. As a fan, it would be more constructive to say what you would expect of a future video chat. If you cannot offer anything positive, then don't post.

[jarmo]

Whatever Dj says in the chat about GN'R, some of you will say it's not enough, he doesn't know what he's talking about or call him a liar....

I'm curious if you would be as receptive to any of us doing both parts of a conversation and putting words in your mouth.  You rolling with that?

I said "some of you". Didn't mention anybody by name.
If you felt targeted, maybe there's a reason for it.....


This event was a fan club chat. Not a press conference, not a TV interview, not Howard Stern... The band is doing things for the fan club members. You know, the fan club which certain people thought never delivered anything worth the subscription fee.

So now, we can see some comments from people saying it's not good enough blah blah blah. I'm curious if these people with all the feedback are actually paying members of the fan club. I mean, constructive criticism is good, criticism from people who wouldn't be allowed to participate because they're not fan club members is just.... Kinda like asking people who would never drink Coke what they think of Coke...


What happened to fun? When did these things turn into such big serious publicity events that they need to contain new exclusive news...



/jarmo

[Dok]

Stop with the 'most fans' things you do. You speak for yourself, that is all. Most fans do not post.

Anyway, I was saying, with more preparation, this chat would have thrown more GN'R in there.

The video chat was seemingly done off the cuff, that is a tough thing to do. As a fan, it would be more constructive to say what you would expect of a future video chat. If you cannot offer anything positive, then don't post.

1. So you're really thinking that the majority of people who knew about the chats are happy with how the chats went (theoretical question, I give you that)? You must be delusional. Don't you also read some other, lets put it this way, more frequented places?

2. Excuses + it is what it is. Correct me if I'm wrong but it's most likely the management who's caring about this stuff and what are they doing all day beside "managing"? Do they have a second or third band to manage as well? A chat is no rocket science. Get you shit straight before announcing such things, don't blame everyone else after.

3. Again...if you set up such a thing, don't complain about it being hard or anything. Deliver. Take the overall situation into account. Money is being charged. I have already stated that they should cut the chats because they cause frustration among the fanbase. Hell...go over at other GNR forums and just read the reviews/reactions.

[D-GenerationX]

What happened to fun? When did these things turn into such big serious publicity events that they need to contain new exclusive news...

When the artist actively courts an antagonistic atmosphere.

Do you got to a lot of other concerts where the band purposes stalls, to the point their crowd and boos and leaves?

You can't act like an ass and then feign surprise at its fallout.  Life is what you make it.  And all the cheerleading in the world about how good we supposedly have it and we have some god damn nerve...well, how's that going?

[cineater]

1. So you're really thinking that the majority of people who knew about the chats are happy with how the chats went (theoretical question, I give you that)? You must be delusional. Don't you also read some other, lets put it this way, more frequented places?

Being a member of Nighttrain I am able to read the threads where the members commented on the chats, the majority of the members are happy.  What we weren't happy with during Ron's chat was posted and listen to by ground central which made this chat go so much better.  If you're not a member, it wasn't for you.  Being a member, I'm happy with the chats and waiting for the next guy or gal.

[Mysteron]

Stop with the 'most fans' things you do. You speak for yourself, that is all. Most fans do not post.

Anyway, I was saying, with more preparation, this chat would have thrown more GN'R in there.

The video chat was seemingly done off the cuff, that is a tough thing to do. As a fan, it would be more constructive to say what you would expect of a future video chat. If you cannot offer anything positive, then don't post.

1. So you're really thinking that the majority of people who knew about the chats are happy with how the chats went (theoretical question, I give you that)? You must be delusional. Don't you also read some other, lets put it this way, more frequented places?

2. Excuses + it is what it is. Correct me if I'm wrong but it's most likely the management who's caring about this stuff and what are they doing all day beside "managing"? Do they have a second or third band to manage as well? A chat is no rocket science. Get you shit straight before announcing such things, don't blame everyone else after.

3. Again...if you set up such a thing, don't complain about it being hard or anything. Deliver. Take the overall situation into account. Money is being charged. I have already stated that they should cut the chats because they cause frustration among the fanbase. Hell...go over at other GNR forums and just read the reviews/reactions.

1. Cineater responded. She is a paid member and happy, so you are obviously not speaking for everyone.

As for your other points generally, the reason I posted was to suggest a better experience for future video chats, that is all. When something happens, you can either complain about it, or be positive and suggest ways to make it better for the future.

Like I said, these chats are for the people that want to do it. People being anal about it are disrespecting fellow fans, not the band, which is low to be honest

[Ali]

For a band whose management team promised "information" soon, I really hope these chats aren't an idication of what's to come. 

For TB to send now two members into these chats with nothing to discuss but past tours, while the fans are starved for news about new music and future plans, well, shit...

I think we all appreciate their time, but when so many fans just seem deflated afterwards with no real news revealed, it's hard to see the point.

And then we are told that we just complain no matter what.

Hey, here's an idea.  Instead of telling what we'd do or how we'd react (without ever having to find out for sure), how about trying giving us something actually interesting and see how that goes?  I'm so tired of this whole "well, there's no pleasing you people whatever we do" routine. 

Why not try to do it for real and see?

It's a no win proposition.  You can't please everyone no matter what.  GN'R could put out an album tomorrow that was along the lines of CD, and some would complain that it's not getting back to the hard rock roots of GN'R.  If the current lineup put out a hard rock album, I'm sure some portion of the fanbase would complain that it wasn't the same without the old band.  The list goes on and on.

So, attempting to please the fanbase, as a whole, is a no win proposition.  That's not to say that there aren't things that could be improved or worked on.  But doing so with the intent of "pleasing us people" is pointless.

As the saying goes, "you can't be all things to all people". 

Ali

[el_loko]

You have right, but doing nothing satisfy anyone?

[Ali]

You have right, but doing nothing satisfy anyone?

That's why I said, "That's not to say that there aren't things that could be improved or worked on."

Ali

[D-GenerationX]

It's a no win proposition.  You can't please everyone no matter what.  GN'R could put out an album tomorrow that was along the lines of CD, and some would complain that it's not getting back to the hard rock roots of GN'R.  If the current lineup put out a hard rock album, I'm sure some portion of the fanbase would complain that it wasn't the same without the old band.  The list goes on and on.

Well, you can't help the people still butthurt over the break-up.  Sadly, you just have to write them off.  I think on some level, every single one of us wished things worked out.  But I'm talking about the people that won't even give it a chance.  You write them off.  They are literally telling you they will never be happy with anything going forward.

But suppose for a second Axl actually got off his ass and did a real interview about the actual band he's in.  He comes out and says they have been working in the studio, new album coming in the new year.  How does that go badly for him?  That's great news.  The only downside I could see would be people saying "believe it when I see it" type stuff, but frankly, Axl made that bed, no?  And on that front, he could actually take that bullet out of the fans guns by actually following through for a change.

Its his call.

[sofine11]

But suppose for a second Axl actually got off his ass and did a real interview about the actual band he's in.  He comes out and says they have been working in the studio, new album coming in the new year.  How does that go badly for him?  That's great news.  The only downside I could see would be people saying "believe it when I see it" type stuff, but frankly, Axl made that bed, no?  And on that front, he could actually take that bullet out of the fans guns by actually following through for a change.

Its his call.

This.  So very much, this.

[Ali]

It's a no win proposition.  You can't please everyone no matter what.  GN'R could put out an album tomorrow that was along the lines of CD, and some would complain that it's not getting back to the hard rock roots of GN'R.  If the current lineup put out a hard rock album, I'm sure some portion of the fanbase would complain that it wasn't the same without the old band.  The list goes on and on.

Well, you can't help the people still butthurt over the break-up.  Sadly, you just have to write them off.  I think on some level, every single one of us wished things worked out.  But I'm talking about the people that won't even give it a chance.  You write them off.  They are literally telling you they will never be happy with anything going forward.

But suppose for a second Axl actually got off his ass and did a real interview about the actual band he's in.  He comes out and says they have been working in the studio, new album coming in the new year.  How does that go badly for him?  That's great news.  The only downside I could see would be people saying "believe it when I see it" type stuff, but frankly, Axl made that bed, no?  And on that front, he could actually take that bullet out of the fans guns by actually following through for a change.

Its his call.

I don't dispute that telling us a new album is coming would be a good thing.  But, that's with the caveat that it should be indeed coming, as in all the i's are dotted and all the t's are crossed.  Otherwise, it's pointless.

Ali

[D-GenerationX]

I just think back to that open letter that Axl wrote to us in 2007.

In truth, did he really drop any bombs or make any guarantees?  Not really.  It was peppered with caveats and wording that honestly stated that they are trying to get it done.  But what it also did was clear up some of the things that went on with Merck, and how Axl was not happy with how some things were handled.  He admitted things got messed up and we deserved better.

But look how that was received.  It was a general sense of relief and reassurance.  OK, good...he actually does still give a shit.  That was the feeling.  There was, for the first time in some time up to that point, some actual proof the album would come out.

He should do something similar now.  For all the venom and annoyance people tend to put out there, most of that dries right up when he actually talks to us.  Look how much people kissed his ass during those chats.  And I mean people that had been trashing him.  But, end of the day, we are his fans.  We want to see him succeed and wish like hell things ran smoother.