Pitman interview

[jarmo]

Maybe we're annoyed because DJ tells us in every second interview he does that an album is being worked on and "is the band's main priority", then we get an interview like this that debunks all that.

What the fuck are we supposed to think?

Here's the facts:


Dj has said that he has written songs for GN'R.
Chris says there's no hurry to make albums because of the current state of the music business.
Axl, Bumblefoot, Richard and possibly others have all said songs were recorded that didn't end up on Chinese Democracy.



I don't think any of this contradicts what the others have said.

Your main priority might be to eat our lunch but that doesn't stop you from answering your phone while eating.




/jarmo

[Conan]

Me neither. I don't see any indication that he's talking about Guns. 

As Ron is in Albania at present, I've got a funny feelin, they aren't referring to a Guns album being made in that studio...

[Ali]

Me neither. I don't see any indication that he's talking about Guns. 

As Ron is in Albania at present, I've got a funny feelin, they aren't referring to a Guns album being made in that studio...

Why does Ron need to be present for Chris to lay down a synth track or vocal harmonies?

I'm not saying this is GN'R related, but Ron's absence would not preclude Chris from adding his work on a GN'R track.

Regardless, it shows that Chris isn't so opposed to making new music. 

Ali

[AxlsMainMan]

Me neither. I don't see any indication that he's talking about Guns. 

As Ron is in Albania at present, I've got a funny feelin, they aren't referring to a Guns album being made in that studio...

It could be the new Tool album. Chris plays synth on their ?nima album and also played with them on the tour supporting the album.

[raindogs70]

Sounds like Pitman's just working on his club mixes/set for Blowout, but did he work with Bumblefoot on some songs?

We know Sixx: AM have something in the works, question is going to be whether they're going to tour or not.

 

[sofine11]

Maybe we're annoyed because DJ tells us in every second interview he does that an album is being worked on and "is the band's main priority", then we get an interview like this that debunks all that.

What the fuck are we supposed to think?

Here's the facts:


Dj has said that he has written songs for GN'R.
Chris says there's no hurry to make albums because of the current state of the music business.
Axl, Bumblefoot, Richard and possibly others have all said songs were recorded that didn't end up on Chinese Democracy.



I don't think any of this contradicts what the others have said.

Your main priority might be to eat our lunch but that doesn't stop you from answering your phone while eating.




/jarmo

Gah, I dunno Jarmo.  You'd be hard pressed not to say that the members aren't falling all over eachother with contradictory statements regarding the next album. 

Richard has said that the album is "almost finished" and that the band has been recording regularly, might be released in 2014.  Ron says that they haven't even sat down in a room together to write, let alone record.  DJ says he's sent Axl 12 demos and that the next album is the band's "main priority.  Chris Pitman says Guns "doesn't care" about releasing new music, and that it isn't the right time to put anything out.

[Nightrained]

I'm trying to get around my head why wouldn't they release a new album?

Now I can understand in 01-08 you had band members come and go, so it seemed like a bit of a start-stop back to square one scenario. Then there has been management issues. Even through all that, they released Chinese Democracy.

However, since 2009 we've had the most solid lineup yet, no one is high or drunk and can't perform, the members are there because they want to be and they haven't left. Each member has experience in creating and producing music, then you have Axl who has been in the band since day one, with all his experience.

Yet, I'm still clueless to why there isn't even a hint of a new album, like there was with Chinese years before it's release.  Surely there's millions of $$ to be made by even just throwing together the tracks that didn't even make it on Chinese Democracy. Even though there has been plenty times in the last 4 years for the band to write and create new music.

I'm not desperate for a new album, but I just wan't to try and understand GNR's strategy (was it always there intention to tour the world twice since CD released?) and what obstacle's were in there way holding up releases like the london dvd, Vegas dvd.

[FootSoldier]

i wonder if when most of the members joined GNR they realised what an insanely legally complicated entity they were becoming a part of...

[JAEBALL]

i wonder if when most of the members joined GNR they realised what an insanely legally complicated entity they were becoming a part of...

I don't think the band's lack of production as far as any releases are concerned have much to do with contractual stuff... im sure there are some hurdles.... but Del James even said in that interview that Chinese Democracy was released only when Axl wanted to release it... thats what he said... I see no reason why hed twist GNR"S version of the truth......

[Ali]

i wonder if when most of the members joined GNR they realised what an insanely legally complicated entity they were becoming a part of...

I don't think the band's lack of production as far as any releases are concerned have much to do with contractual stuff... im sure there are some hurdles.... but Del James even said in that interview that Chinese Democracy was released only when Axl wanted to release it... thats what he said... I see no reason why hed twist GNR"S version of the truth......

With all due respect, you're taking that quote from Del James out of context.  The discussion was about whether or not Axl was waiting to release Chinese Democracy due to heavy metal's declining popularity.  That's when Del James said what he did, and he did not say that there was no other contributing factor to the time to make the record.  Which is not to say that Axl and/or his assessment of the record's readiness did not have a significant effect or influence.

As far as this being "GN'R's version of the truth", that is not true.  Here is what Tommy Stinson has said about Roy Thomas Baker's involvement on two separate occasions:

What happened when producer Roy Thomas Baker was brought in?
He wanted to re-record everything, because he felt he could get better tones. In my opinion, he wasted many years and many millions of dollars trying to get us better sounds that we could have addressed in the mixing stage. I?m not a proponent of his style of producing. I think Iovine put Roy Thomas Baker in the producer seat because he didn?t think the raw sounds were good enough. Then Roy came in and would try every Marshall guitar amp in a five-state area to find just the right guitar tone. And he wanted to do that for every single part on the album.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=174

"You know, I just see us making a record much quicker, because, in hindsight, a lot of what happened with Chinese Democracy, we could get around now. Mostly what happened with that record, why it took so long, was we just had no help from the record company whatsoever. [Axl] got zero fucking help from anyone outside the band to fucking do it. You know, it just got stupider and stupider as the record company kept throwing bad A&R guys [at us], or producers like Roy Thomas Baker who, you know, he made things sound better, but that wasn't' what we needed. We needed someone to help us fucking sow it up, and he came in fucking re-recorded everything five fucking times with every amp in the country. I just don't think that was something that was really important to making a record, that could have been taken care of in the mix."

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/uponsun/2011/12/tommy_stinson.php

Ali

[JAEBALL]

i wonder if when most of the members joined GNR they realised what an insanely legally complicated entity they were becoming a part of...

I don't think the band's lack of production as far as any releases are concerned have much to do with contractual stuff... im sure there are some hurdles.... but Del James even said in that interview that Chinese Democracy was released only when Axl wanted to release it... thats what he said... I see no reason why hed twist GNR"S version of the truth......

With all due respect, you're taking that quote from Del James out of context.  The discussion was about whether or not Axl was waiting to release Chinese Democracy due to heavy metal's declining popularity.  That's when Del James said what he did, and he did not say that there was no other contributing factor to the time to make the record.  Which is not to say that Axl and/or his assessment of the record's readiness did not have a significant effect or influence.

As far as this being "GN'R's version of the truth", that is not true.  Here is what Tommy Stinson has said about Roy Thomas Baker's involvement on two separate occasions:

What happened when producer Roy Thomas Baker was brought in?
He wanted to re-record everything, because he felt he could get better tones. In my opinion, he wasted many years and many millions of dollars trying to get us better sounds that we could have addressed in the mixing stage. I?m not a proponent of his style of producing. I think Iovine put Roy Thomas Baker in the producer seat because he didn?t think the raw sounds were good enough. Then Roy came in and would try every Marshall guitar amp in a five-state area to find just the right guitar tone. And he wanted to do that for every single part on the album.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=174

"You know, I just see us making a record much quicker, because, in hindsight, a lot of what happened with Chinese Democracy, we could get around now. Mostly what happened with that record, why it took so long, was we just had no help from the record company whatsoever. [Axl] got zero fucking help from anyone outside the band to fucking do it. You know, it just got stupider and stupider as the record company kept throwing bad A&R guys [at us], or producers like Roy Thomas Baker who, you know, he made things sound better, but that wasn't' what we needed. We needed someone to help us fucking sow it up, and he came in fucking re-recorded everything five fucking times with every amp in the country. I just don't think that was something that was really important to making a record, that could have been taken care of in the mix."

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/uponsun/2011/12/tommy_stinson.php

Ali

fair enough...I agree his answer about the release was not cut n dry.. but it wasnt a well thought out answer if you think about it... ha because unless you know the ins and outs of the problems with production in great detail... you are going to take away from it what I did..

I thought his tone was terrible... just my opinion... its consistent with the attitude of we are GNR we dont care what you think  or how we go about our business ...and that attitude is certainly why most of us became fans a long time ago.... but now with such lack of musical production...its getting very old and tiring... we only want the product from the group...and we get backlash for it and for inquiring about it

at the end of the day what are we all doing here? we are fans of Axl right? what is there to be a fan of if he never puts anything out ? as he has stated he went thru hell to fight for the GNR name and to keep it going... well lets get it moving already ... when they tour again.. I will go...cuz I love the guy as a singer... but its really time to get this ball rolling

[JAEBALL]

truthfully i REALLY wish it never became known to the GNR community that there were so many songs recorded on for CD...because if we didnt know about all those songs...it would be so much less frustrating that we cant hear them


and there would be a lot less backlash towards the guy and his people for not finding a way to release it

[WAR41]

truthfully i REALLY wish it never became known to the GNR community that there were so many songs recorded on for CD...because if we didnt know about all those songs...it would be so much less frustrating that we cant hear them


and there would be a lot less backlash towards the guy and his people for not finding a way to release it

LOL, look I think its known on this board that I am not the biggest Axl supporter in the world, but your comment couldn't be further from the truth.  If everyone was under the impression that no music was written I am PRETTY sure the GNR fan community would be complaining louder and asking 'why isn't music being written?'

[JAEBALL]

truthfully i REALLY wish it never became known to the GNR community that there were so many songs recorded on for CD...because if we didnt know about all those songs...it would be so much less frustrating that we cant hear them


and there would be a lot less backlash towards the guy and his people for not finding a way to release it

LOL, look I think its known on this board that I am not the biggest Axl supporter in the world, but your comment couldn't be further from the truth.  If everyone was under the impression that no music was written I am PRETTY sure the GNR fan community would be complaining louder and asking 'why isn't music being written?'

ha ur probably right..... but its still very frustrating to me that those songs are just sitting there

[jarmo]

Gah, I dunno Jarmo.  You'd be hard pressed not to say that the members aren't falling all over eachother with contradictory statements regarding the next album. 

Richard has said that the album is "almost finished" and that the band has been recording regularly, might be released in 2014.  Ron says that they haven't even sat down in a room together to write, let alone record.  DJ says he's sent Axl 12 demos and that the next album is the band's "main priority.  Chris Pitman says Guns "doesn't care" about releasing new music, and that it isn't the right time to put anything out.

Different points of view. But not contradicting anything.

Bumblefoot can be in Africa, it doesn't mean Dj can't write/record songs. It doesn't change the fact that Richard thinks there's an almost finished album. Chris might be in Finland saying there's no rush to release anything, but he wouldn't be stopping a release if it came out on Tuesday!


I personally think people are taking quotes here and there out of context. Just like the word tentative, for some reason, means set in stone for a select group of people.


Talking about the subject of downloading and how it affects the artists, saying bands can tour without the need to put out albums, doesn't mean GN'R has no interest in putting out a new album.




/jarmo

[raindogs70]

truthfully i REALLY wish it never became known to the GNR community that there were so many songs recorded on for CD...because if we didnt know about all those songs...it would be so much less frustrating that we cant hear them


and there would be a lot less backlash towards the guy and his people for not finding a way to release it

Everyone wants to hear what's unheard (even if they're demos), esp. when there hasn't been new music in a long time and a lot of talk about how good the songs they heard were.

I don't think Axl's gotten over how Chinese Democracy was handled to want to deal with those people.

People sound scared that Axl's finding reasons to stay out of the studio, and the recent leaks are going to create a setback where Axl is going to avoid the recording studio for at least another decade.

The last time Axl gave people a date of release, it bit him in the ass. Don't expect release dates or hold your breath for new music.

People thought the wait for UYI was forever.

[thinkaboutyou]

Wish I could buy some new genuine official new music maybe some day if CD2 ever comes out

[raindogs70]

Wish I could buy some new genuine official new music maybe some day if CD2 ever comes out

I think the train left the station for a sequel/counterpart to CD, but we'll get new tunes.

Maybe they would do a "free" CD2... thinking back to when Smashing Pumpkins did Machina II, but that was more of a "farewell gift" to the fans at the time. Same with NIN's "The Slip".


 

[FootSoldier]

Wish I could buy some new genuine official new music maybe some day if CD2 ever comes out

i didnt know you posted here Julian!

[thinkaboutyou]

Wish I could buy some new genuine official new music maybe some day if CD2 ever comes out

i didnt know you posted here Julian!

I've been browsing for years here don't post that often