2013 Baseball Season/Off-Season Discussion

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Maddux is a definite, probably Glavine too but I'm not positive he'll get in 1st year.  Most voters seem to suspect Piazza of PEDs, so he's doubtful.

I'm not sure Glavine will get in this year either.

I agree on Piazza a well although I do think he'll get in sooner than later, same with Bagwell unfortunately.

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I hope both Glavine and Maddux get in. It would be nice to see them go in with Cox.

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I hope both Glavine and Maddux get in. It would be nice to see them go in with Cox.

I think there's a very good chance only Maddux gets in this year - and that's it.

Maybe Biggio...

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Good article on how the Crime Dog's HOF chances were hurt by the strike in 94. http://mweb.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24381925/did-the-1994-95-strike-cost-fred-mcgriff-the-hall-of-fame

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Choo to the Rangers, 130 over 7.

I suspect the nauseating feel of Ellsbury buyers remorse is running rampant in the Bronx right now countered by the joy they're probably feeling over Choo not accepting their 7/140 offer.

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Choo to the Rangers, 130 over 7.

I suspect the nauseating feel of Ellsbury buyers remorse is running rampant in the Bronx right now countered by the joy they're probably feeling over Choo not accepting their 7/140 offer.

Not as badly as you'd probably think. The Yankees would've had to up their offer to 147 million to give him the same deal Texas did because there's no state tax here in Texas.

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Choo to the Rangers, 130 over 7.

I suspect the nauseating feel of Ellsbury buyers remorse is running rampant in the Bronx right now countered by the joy they're probably feeling over Choo not accepting their 7/140 offer.

Not so much. They are both ridiculously terrible contracts, and the yanks would have had to go 7 and close to 150 to get him a comparable deal. Choos not worth that any more than ellsbury is worth his deal.

But...ellsbury actually fit the yanks needs better. His ba is better, he's a threat on the base paths, and he's a stellar defender.

Choo has better power numbers, but still isn't a 30 hr guy, and a better ob%. The slg % are similar???but that might be misleading with the monsters propensity for turning things into doubles with ellsbury so speed.

They are remarkably similar players with different strengths....and while choos left handed power would have been nice, ellsbury so value might be that his addition either makes Gardner the best defensive lfer in the majors, or he makes Gardner spendable for either an arm or an infielder. 

Put choo in cf, and IMHO it's a defensive downgrade out there.   You could have put him back in rf, I suppose...

In essence, nah...no tears for yanks fans.  It would have been an overpay either way. With cano gone, maybe choos numbers would have made sense, but I honestly believe Beltran can fit that need cheaper, and for shorter term.

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Choo to the Rangers, 130 over 7.

I suspect the nauseating feel of Ellsbury buyers remorse is running rampant in the Bronx right now countered by the joy they're probably feeling over Choo not accepting their 7/140 offer.

Not so much. They are both ridiculously terrible contracts, and the yanks would have had to go 7 and close to 150 to get him a comparable deal. Choos not worth that any more than ellsbury is worth his deal.

But...ellsbury actually fit the yanks needs better. His ba is better, he's a threat on the base paths, and he's a stellar defender.

Choo has better power numbers, but still isn't a 30 hr guy, and a better ob%. The slg % are similar???but that might be misleading with the monsters propensity for turning things into doubles with ellsbury so speed.

They are remarkably similar players with different strengths....and while choos left handed power would have been nice, ellsbury so value might be that his addition either makes Gardner the best defensive lfer in the majors, or he makes Gardner spendable for either an arm or an infielder. 

Put choo in cf, and IMHO it's a defensive downgrade out there.   You could have put him back in rf, I suppose...

In essence, nah...no tears for yanks fans.  It would have been an overpay either way. With cano gone, maybe choos numbers would have made sense, but I honestly believe Beltran can fit that need cheaper, and for shorter term.

I was speaking more in terms of Ellsbury not being worth 23 mil more than Choo and the Yanks not doling out an additional 140 for Choo as well, which appears was on the table.

As you said, they're in better shape with Beltran anyway.

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Congrats to Maddux, Glavine and Thomas on their induction into the HOF. Its's fitting Maddux and Glavine get to enter with their manager.

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OK guys...I think it's time to move to a new thread.  It's no longer 2013.   I've started it....here's the link:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=65625.new#new