2013 Baseball Season/Off-Season Discussion

[tim_m]

I just saw Jeter got DL'd again with a calf issue.

That would be a story on about any other baseball news day.

Yeah, its a total bummer. Its gotta be so frustrating for Jeter at this point.

[pilferk]

I just saw Jeter got DL'd again with a calf issue.

That would be a story on about any other baseball news day.

Yeah, its a total bummer. Its gotta be so frustrating for Jeter at this point.

Jeter's comment:

"This whole season has been a nightmare."

I've read a couple accounts that say, during the interview where he gave that quote, he was as down, and as frustrated, as they've ever seen.

There is a rumor (supposedly sourced to "people close to him) that, if things don't turn around by the end of the year, he's considering NOT picking up his player option for next  year and retiring.  I don't know if it's true (in fact, I'd guess not) but it's sad that it even SOUNDS true.

[Falcon]

Hopefully Jeter can get healthy enough to go out on his terms but it may not go down that way unfortunately.

[tim_m]

Hopefully Jeter can get healthy enough to go out on his terms but it may not go down that way unfortunately.

I sure hope so this is another guy who deserves to go out the way Mo is getting to.

[Falcon]

Hopefully Jeter can get healthy enough to go out on his terms but it may not go down that way unfortunately.

I sure hope so this is another guy who deserves to go out the way Mo is getting to.

I'm not sure if Jeter will go the "farewell tour" route, not sure if the "pomp and circumstance" would appeal to him.

[tim_m]

Hopefully Jeter can get healthy enough to go out on his terms but it may not go down that way unfortunately.

I sure hope so this is another guy who deserves to go out the way Mo is getting to.

I'm not sure if Jeter will go the "farewell tour" route, not sure if the "pomp and circumstance" would appeal to him.

Who knows, it didn't to Mo at first either. He fully intended to just walk away quietly after last season but changed his mind and he's as private as Jeter. I hope Jeter gets the chance and decides to do that. He deserves it. Things like that are what baseball badly needs right now.

[Drew]

Figure this would happen! MLB are a bunch of pathetic fools! A-Rod and the others should have been banned for life.

I can see a scenario in the not to distant future where there's one or two strikes an your out. Possibly as soon as next season. The players are totally on board with stiffening the penalties. Like i said in my previous post. First offense gone for a full 162 games. You get caught again fuck you you're gone forever period end of story. No more fucking around.

Figure this would happen! MLB are a bunch of pathetic fools! A-Rod and the others should have been banned for life.

Well...that's not what MLB and the mlbpa negotiaTed in the last CBa. You can't punish them beyond what is contractually agreed upon (which is likely the largest part of arods appeal). No matter how much you might want them to.

I can see this coming up in the offseason, and some strengthening going on. One violation = 162 games, two and you are out.

Timothy25 and pilferk, I do like your punishment of 162 games for the first offense. But I would much rather see a minimum of 2 years(324 games) the first time someone test positive for PED's. The second time they get a lifetime ban. MLB should make the punishment for the first time extrememly severe so they don't wanna risk getting caught the first time, much less using PED's again.

[tim_m]

Figure this would happen! MLB are a bunch of pathetic fools! A-Rod and the others should have been banned for life.

I can see a scenario in the not to distant future where there's one or two strikes an your out. Possibly as soon as next season. The players are totally on board with stiffening the penalties. Like i said in my previous post. First offense gone for a full 162 games. You get caught again fuck you you're gone forever period end of story. No more fucking around.

Figure this would happen! MLB are a bunch of pathetic fools! A-Rod and the others should have been banned for life.

Well...that's not what MLB and the mlbpa negotiaTed in the last CBa. You can't punish them beyond what is contractually agreed upon (which is likely the largest part of arods appeal). No matter how much you might want them to.

I can see this coming up in the offseason, and some strengthening going on. One violation = 162 games, two and you are out.

Timothy25 and pilferk, I do like your punishment of 162 games for the first offense. But I would much rather see a minimum of 2 years(324 games) the first time someone test positive for PED's. The second time they get a lifetime ban. MLB should make the punishment for the first time extrememly severe so they don't wanna risk getting caught the first time, much less using PED's again.

I agree Drew, we have to find the happy medium that will make a player think twice about even trying it. Whether that's one full season or two. I think two is unlikely for the first offense. That could end a career depending on the age of the player. I'm not saying i wouldn't be ok with that but the players likely won't.

[GeorgeSteele]

Good article from a Tulane law professor on A-Rod's possible arguments in his appeal:

Defending A-Rod: Breaking Down the Rodriguez Appeal
By Gabe Feldman

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/70997/defending-a-rod-breaking-down-the-rodriguez-appeal

[tim_m]

Hey, i wanted to get your thoughts on something Falcon. What are your opinions on what Jack Clark had to say about Albert Pujols and then Justin Verlander? With Albert it seems just like he said she said crap and with Verlander he's just grasping at straws. Obviously in this day we can never be absolute certain who's clean and who's not but these are two guys i'd be shocked if they weren't.

[Falcon]

Hey, i wanted to get your thoughts on something Falcon. What are your opinions on what Jack Clark had to say about Albert Pujols and then Justin Verlander? With Albert it seems just like he said she said crap and with Verlander he's just grasping at straws. Obviously in this day we can never be absolute certain who's clean and who's not but these are two guys i'd be shocked if they weren't.

I think his comments were a bit reckless, Jack being Jack for the most part.

Who knows really, nothing would surprise me about anyone at this point.

[tim_m]

Hey, i wanted to get your thoughts on something Falcon. What are your opinions on what Jack Clark had to say about Albert Pujols and then Justin Verlander? With Albert it seems just like he said she said crap and with Verlander he's just grasping at straws. Obviously in this day we can never be absolute certain who's clean and who's not but these are two guys i'd be shocked if they weren't.

I think his comments were a bit reckless, Jack being Jack for the most part.

Who knows really, nothing would surprise me about anyone at this point.

I've always liked Jack but i agree they were a bit reckless. I agree though who knows who you can believe at this point. I really hope Albert and Justin are being truthful though and aren't on anything. Those are two players i like and respect. If Albert is being completely honest i don't blame him for taking legal action against Jack.

[tim_m]

Here's a question for everyone, is Alfonso Soriano a HOF candidate? He will soon have 400 home runs. 1,100 rbi, 2000+ hits and 286 steals. Plus the vast majority of those numbers came with teams that weren't exactly lighting it up.

[Falcon]

Here's a question for everyone, is Alfonso Soriano a HOF candidate? He will soon have 400 home runs. 1,100 rbi, 2000+ hits and 286 steals. Plus the vast majority of those numbers came with teams that weren't exactly lighting it up.

He's got a nice combination of stats but nothing eye popping in any of them.

He'll get some run but I see him as a guy that may peak around 40%, lifetime .270 something with a horrific OBP won't help him.

He kinda lacks an identity as well, played for a lot of teams...

[tim_m]

Here's a question for everyone, is Alfonso Soriano a HOF candidate? He will soon have 400 home runs. 1,100 rbi, 2000+ hits and 286 steals. Plus the vast majority of those numbers came with teams that weren't exactly lighting it up.

He's got a nice combination of stats but nothing eye popping in any of them.

He'll get some run but I see him as a guy that may peak around 40%, lifetime .270 something with a horrific OBP won't help him.

He kinda lacks an identity as well, played for a lot of teams...

Yeah, the 400 homers will definitely get him some support. The average does hurt him though. Perhaps if he can make it to 3000 hits but that could be a long shot at 37 and needing 1000.

Very true, i didn't realize how many. I had thought he was with the Cubs longer then he was.

[Falcon]

I always enjoy HOF talk and players chances, fascinating conversation.

I play the "If they retired today" game and who'd get in without question.

I can think of only 5:

Rivera, Pujols, Jeter, Ichiro, Cabrera.

There's obviously players still building their resumes that will undoubtedly get in at some point but very few that are HOF ready right now.

Anyone I'm missing?

[tim_m]

I always enjoy HOF talk and players chances, fascinating conversation.

I play the "If they retired today" game and who'd get in without question.

I can think of only 5:

Rivera, Pujols, Jeter, Ichiro, Cabrera.

There's obviously players still building their resumes that will undoubtedly get in at some point but very few that are HOF ready right now.

Anyone I'm missing?

Hmm what about Halladay or Verlander? Perhaps not sure bets as of right now but they are getting there especially Verlander. Other than that i think you got them all.

Btw, how you enjoying this Cards/Pirates game? Its been a nail biting extra innings.

Espn has a list of potential HOF candidates still playing. Getting down the list there's definitely a lot of what if's still but i see a few we may have missed. http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/38570/active-players-who-will-be-hall-of-famers

[Falcon]

I always enjoy HOF talk and players chances, fascinating conversation.

I play the "If they retired today" game and who'd get in without question.

I can think of only 5:

Rivera, Pujols, Jeter, Ichiro, Cabrera.

There's obviously players still building their resumes that will undoubtedly get in at some point but very few that are HOF ready right now.

Anyone I'm missing?

Hmm what about Halladay or Verlander? Perhaps not sure bets as of right now but they are getting there especially Verlander. Other than that i think you got them all.

Btw, how you enjoying this Cards/Pirates game? Its been a nail biting extra innings.

Halladay quite possibly. good call.

Verlander doesn't have the service time to qualify (10 years) yet.

The Cards/Bucs game has been bizzarro, the Cards stink in extras so I'm expecting the trend to continue.

[tim_m]

I always enjoy HOF talk and players chances, fascinating conversation.

I play the "If they retired today" game and who'd get in without question.

I can think of only 5:

Rivera, Pujols, Jeter, Ichiro, Cabrera.

There's obviously players still building their resumes that will undoubtedly get in at some point but very few that are HOF ready right now.

Anyone I'm missing?

Hmm what about Halladay or Verlander? Perhaps not sure bets as of right now but they are getting there especially Verlander. Other than that i think you got them all.

Btw, how you enjoying this Cards/Pirates game? Its been a nail biting extra innings.

Halladay quite possibly. good call.

Verlander doesn't have the service time to qualify (10 years) yet.

The Cards/Bucs game has been bizzarro, the Cards stink in extras so I'm expecting the trend to continue.

True he doesn't yet but if he continues to pitch the way he has the last few years he's well on his way. What about Cano? I don't think he has the service time yet but his numbers are getting there.

It has. I thought it was over several times already but each time the team finds a way out of the jam.

[Falcon]

What about Cano?

I think he's got a shot.

Double edge sword though:

Positive:
Great numbers so far, especially for a middle infielder.

Negative:
Wrong side of thirty and will be in decline sooner than later, maintaining his current level of production will be extremely difficult.