GN'R Playing 26th Annual Bridge School Benefit Concert / Sat show web stream

[Shackler]

That's fair enough, if it's true. I just find it too much of a coincidence that the start of the tour sees his voice no where near his best, and mid-tour it gets miles better. You can say that touring will improve his voice, and it will. But it is similar to practising everyday for a month before a tour. If that is done, then he could be at his best from the beginning of a tour. Which, in the past, he has not been.

If you say he was sick, fair enough. But there are other examples of beginning of tours where he seems ill-prepared and things don't pick up until mid way through. Can the excuse always be 'he was sick'?

Wait. So how do you know how Axl prepares for tours/shows and what would be best for him and those who attend the shows?

I'm curious what kind of info you have.

If that's your simple solution, why not make the first two weeks of each tour have two shows per day for 14 days? 





/jarmo

So you think Axl is at his best from the start of a tour always? And never improves after a few dates in?


It's not rocket science. You can't deny that his voice gets better as the tour goes on.

Why isn't he close to his best from the start then?

Surely a more rigorous practising method pre-tour would allow for this?

Treating the month before a tour as a 'dress rehearsal', if Axl were to do something like 15 'mock', full shows  - just with the band and no audience, then his voice would be at the level it usually is mid-tour. Except it would be from the start.

If he does do something like that, then fair enough. I don't think he does. There is such a massive improvement between show 1 and show 10 that it seems unlikely.

Jarmo, you can try and push me aside here and belittled all of my arguments, but this is merely a discussion.

I - as a FAN - want Axl to be at his best. He is not always at his best.

He was not at his best at the Bridge Show. Beta says he was sick, fair enough. I feel that while that could have been a contributing factor, he did not prepare adequately.

That is not a knock on Axl. Like I say, I want him to be at his best. I don't mean to tell him what to do, I'm just suggesting. Don't take it personally.

[jarmo]

That's fair enough, if it's true. I just find it too much of a coincidence that the start of the tour sees his voice no where near his best, and mid-tour it gets miles better. You can say that touring will improve his voice, and it will. But it is similar to practising everyday for a month before a tour. If that is done, then he could be at his best from the beginning of a tour. Which, in the past, he has not been.

If you say he was sick, fair enough. But there are other examples of beginning of tours where he seems ill-prepared and things don't pick up until mid way through. Can the excuse always be 'he was sick'?

Wait. So how do you know how Axl prepares for tours/shows and what would be best for him and those who attend the shows?

I'm curious what kind of info you have.

If that's your simple solution, why not make the first two weeks of each tour have two shows per day for 14 days? 





/jarmo

So you think Axl is at his best from the start of a tour always? And never improves after a few dates in?

I didn't say anything like that. Don't put words in my mouth. Thank you.

Why isn't he close to his best from the start then?

Surely a more rigorous practising method pre-tour would allow for this?

Treating the month before a tour as a 'dress rehearsal', if Axl were to do something like 15 'mock', full shows  - just with the band and no audience, then his voice would be at the level it usually is mid-tour. Except it would be from the start.

So you suggest they do this in how many days before a tour starts?

15 shows in 15 days? 15 shows in 30 days? 15 shows in 7-8 days?


How do you pay for this? You can't just do this in somebody's parents' garage you know...

Also, since you have such knowledge of what's good and what's not. Did you ever think that maybe your idea is just not possible if you want a two-three month tour after all those dress rehearsal shows? Surely you must have thought about all this since you're so open to coming up with explanations and reasons....

So you suggest shorter tours? Less shows for actual fans?


I still believe that they know what they're doing and most people on the Internet have no clue. No matter how many years somebody has been a fan, how may bootlegs they've collected, how many hours they've spent on Youtube etc. Most people still don't know what it takes to do shows or tours.

Why? Because nobody does what Axl does except Axl.

There's only one Axl Rose. That's a fact, and unfortunately it's often forgotten.




/jarmo

[Shackler]

That's fair enough, if it's true. I just find it too much of a coincidence that the start of the tour sees his voice no where near his best, and mid-tour it gets miles better. You can say that touring will improve his voice, and it will. But it is similar to practising everyday for a month before a tour. If that is done, then he could be at his best from the beginning of a tour. Which, in the past, he has not been.

If you say he was sick, fair enough. But there are other examples of beginning of tours where he seems ill-prepared and things don't pick up until mid way through. Can the excuse always be 'he was sick'?

Wait. So how do you know how Axl prepares for tours/shows and what would be best for him and those who attend the shows?

I'm curious what kind of info you have.

If that's your simple solution, why not make the first two weeks of each tour have two shows per day for 14 days? 





/jarmo

So you think Axl is at his best from the start of a tour always? And never improves after a few dates in?

I didn't say anything like that. Don't put words in my mouth. Thank you.

Why isn't he close to his best from the start then?

Surely a more rigorous practising method pre-tour would allow for this?

Treating the month before a tour as a 'dress rehearsal', if Axl were to do something like 15 'mock', full shows  - just with the band and no audience, then his voice would be at the level it usually is mid-tour. Except it would be from the start.

So you suggest they do this in how many days before a tour starts?

15 shows in 15 days? 15 shows in 30 days? 15 shows in 7-8 days?


How do you pay for this? You can't just do this in somebody's parents' garage you know...

Also, since you have such knowledge of what's good and what's not. Did you ever think that maybe your idea is just not possible if you want a two-three month tour after all those dress rehearsal shows? Surely you must have thought about all this since you're so open to coming up with explanations and reasons....

So you suggest shorter tours? Less shows for actual fans?


I still believe that they know what they're doing and most people on the Internet have no clue. No matter how many years somebody has been a fan, how may bootlegs they've collected, how many hours they've spent on Youtube etc. Most people still don't know what it takes to do shows or tours.

Why? Because nobody does what Axl does except Axl.

There's only one Axl Rose. That's a fact, and unfortunately it's often forgotten.




/jarmo

That was just an example. 15 mock shows in 50 days would suffice. 5 in 14 days. Whatever. The point was, preparation.

Pay for it? Sure the rest of the band rehearse without Axl. That's well-known. How much extra is it to add in a singer? They have studios among them. Use them?

It has to be cost effective - surely it would be worth it, and he wouldn't have his own fans saying that he is not up to scratch.

I didn't suggest shorter tours, I suggested practicing, meaning finding a balance that works.

Once you get your head out of the sand and see that this band isn't perfect, and can be improved, then you'll see where I'm coming from.

I'm not a hater. I love the band, have seen them perform, support Chinese Democracy and will support the next album.

But you'd have to be very niave indeed to think that Axl's preparation is adequate for the type of singer he is, and the show that he looks to want to achieve.

[Spirit]

Used to Love Her

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUzpfHEfZnE&feature=channel&list=UL

[jarmo]

That was just an example. 15 mock shows in 50 days would suffice. 5 in 14 days. Whatever. The point was, preparation.

Ok, so you really have no idea. Only random guessing.

Pay for it? Sure the rest of the band rehearse without Axl. That's well-known. How much extra is it to add in a singer? They have studios among them. Use them?

So you don't know about their rehearsal schedules then.

The band doesn't rehearse for weeks before every leg of a tour. Sometimes you only have two-three weeks between legs. Plus gear needs to travel to the next continent etc. People need to go home and see their families etc. How on earth do you manage your amount of rehearsals in this case?

The band needs to rehearse their parts. Then you want to add those dress rehearsal shows to that. It all adds up.

It has to be cost effective - surely it would be worth it, and he wouldn't have his own fans saying that he is not up to scratch.

You're assuming that your theory is correct. You don't know that as a fact do you?

I didn't suggest shorter tours, I suggested practicing, meaning finding a balance that works.

Maybe the balance that works for Axl and the band has been found already?

Once you get your head out of the sand and see that this band isn't perfect, and can be improved, then you'll see where I'm coming from.

Another assumption. You're assuming my head is somewhere where it's definitely not.

My assumption is that the band knows what works best for them and some fans, including yourself, don't.

I can assume too.

But you'd have to be very niave indeed to think that Axl's preparation is adequate for the type of singer he is, and the show that he looks to want to achieve.

I don't think it's a matter of being naive if you think that in many cases people doing the actual work know best how to do it and achieve their goals. Especially if we're talking about somebody whose tool is his voice.

If the goal is to peak at the first shows, maybe you need to prepare differently than if your goals is to finish a two-three month tour, without having to cancel shows because of issues with your health!



Same thing happen in another field where people are dependent on their bodies performing: Sports.
Sometimes some athletes/teams peak early in the season, while others peak when the championship is won.... Do people get annoyed if their team loses a couple of games in the beginning of the season and then goes on to win the championship?





/jarmo

[Will]

I attended both shows and Axl did have trouble the first night... No doubt about it, but the second night KILLED! I will post the show as soon as it uploads completely!

Cool! Audio or video? Would love to see that, thanks a lot in advance!

[MJ23]

I have to pick up Jarmo's sports analogy here. Because it fits.

If practicing would directly lead to being 100% fit, why doesn't every team do it?
And a rehearsal can never give you the same feeling as playing in front of an enthusiastic crowd. That gives you an extra push.

When my favorite team loses a game, I am not satisfied, but I am not losing faith.
When a current or former member fucked up a solo, or Axl fucked up some lyrics, my fun watching the show wasn't spoiled. It just shows that we are all human. People make mistakes, so what?!
When Michael Jordan missed a final free throw and the Bulls the lost the game, I wasn't satisfied, although I watched the games from 3 am in the morning and needed to go to school the next day, because I knew that they would kick ass next time.

If you want a 100% perfect song, instruments and vocals, listen to the studio versions. Songs played live sound different, but you also get a show to enjoy, you get pyros and whatever, plus you can enjoy things with thousands of others at the same time!!!

Back to the theory that rehearsing leads to being on spot when the tour starts:
I think rehearsing is needed, but only to a certain degree. Maybe to get some stuff working like a different solo or a new song or simply to get some stuff back working. The longer a break between tour legs is the more a rehearsal is needed.
If there is only a month or 2 break then I don't see it being needed. Plus like I wrote before some things can't be rehearsed. You can't copy the live show feeling in a studio, let the guys incl. Axl improve themselves while on tour.

Each member of the band is so damn well sure what the best is for each of them.
I am pretty sure that none of them is taking it easy, and none of them is ignoring their own bodies or whatever.
They have the Las Vegas show coming up, then the next booked dates, a lot of stuff is in front of them, plus a lot of anticipation of fans and of those who aren't. A lot of people are waiting for things to happen just to be able to point their fingers at Axl or the guys.

Normally I am not taking the position of anyone, but here and now I have to back up Jarmo 100%.

Even if Axl would show his medical file here like someone asked for, some people would assume it would be a fake.

I, for myself, am looking forward to enjoying a lot more "not perfect" shows done by the band.
Keep rocking guys!!!

[Mysteron]

That's fair enough, if it's true. I just find it too much of a coincidence that the start of the tour sees his voice no where near his best, and mid-tour it gets miles better. You can say that touring will improve his voice, and it will. But it is similar to practising everyday for a month before a tour. If that is done, then he could be at his best from the beginning of a tour. Which, in the past, he has not been.

If you say he was sick, fair enough. But there are other examples of beginning of tours where he seems ill-prepared and things don't pick up until mid way through. Can the excuse always be 'he was sick'?

Wait. So how do you know how Axl prepares for tours/shows and what would be best for him and those who attend the shows?

I'm curious what kind of info you have.

If that's your simple solution, why not make the first two weeks of each tour have two shows per day for 14 days? 





/jarmo

So you think Axl is at his best from the start of a tour always? And never improves after a few dates in?


It's not rocket science. You can't deny that his voice gets better as the tour goes on.

Why isn't he close to his best from the start then?

Surely a more rigorous practising method pre-tour would allow for this?

Treating the month before a tour as a 'dress rehearsal', if Axl were to do something like 15 'mock', full shows  - just with the band and no audience, then his voice would be at the level it usually is mid-tour. Except it would be from the start.

If he does do something like that, then fair enough. I don't think he does. There is such a massive improvement between show 1 and show 10 that it seems unlikely.

Jarmo, you can try and push me aside here and belittled all of my arguments, but this is merely a discussion.

I - as a FAN - want Axl to be at his best. He is not always at his best.

He was not at his best at the Bridge Show. Beta says he was sick, fair enough. I feel that while that could have been a contributing factor, he did not prepare adequately.

That is not a knock on Axl. Like I say, I want him to be at his best. I don't mean to tell him what to do, I'm just suggesting. Don't take it personally.

I would give it up if I were you  

The main flaw with what you are saying, very simply, is that people with a strep throat struggle to sing, you can actually Google that one. No amount of practice would change anything

Secondly, think about this. You  are attempting to advise Axl Rose, a vocalist with 25 years plus experience, how to prepare his voice for touring.   In the big scheme of things, please think about how ludicrous this is. Axl, if he wanted to, could access any number of vocal experts from anywhere in the world to assist with his vocals if he felt it was necessary.

It is a shame, because your sentiment cannot be questioned, you are not wanting to see Axl underperform and be criticised. I think this is fair enough, but please don't let your pride overwhelm your sentiment

[Shackler]

That's fair enough, if it's true. I just find it too much of a coincidence that the start of the tour sees his voice no where near his best, and mid-tour it gets miles better. You can say that touring will improve his voice, and it will. But it is similar to practising everyday for a month before a tour. If that is done, then he could be at his best from the beginning of a tour. Which, in the past, he has not been.

If you say he was sick, fair enough. But there are other examples of beginning of tours where he seems ill-prepared and things don't pick up until mid way through. Can the excuse always be 'he was sick'?

Wait. So how do you know how Axl prepares for tours/shows and what would be best for him and those who attend the shows?

I'm curious what kind of info you have.

If that's your simple solution, why not make the first two weeks of each tour have two shows per day for 14 days? 





/jarmo

So you think Axl is at his best from the start of a tour always? And never improves after a few dates in?


It's not rocket science. You can't deny that his voice gets better as the tour goes on.

Why isn't he close to his best from the start then?

Surely a more rigorous practising method pre-tour would allow for this?

Treating the month before a tour as a 'dress rehearsal', if Axl were to do something like 15 'mock', full shows  - just with the band and no audience, then his voice would be at the level it usually is mid-tour. Except it would be from the start.

If he does do something like that, then fair enough. I don't think he does. There is such a massive improvement between show 1 and show 10 that it seems unlikely.

Jarmo, you can try and push me aside here and belittled all of my arguments, but this is merely a discussion.

I - as a FAN - want Axl to be at his best. He is not always at his best.

He was not at his best at the Bridge Show. Beta says he was sick, fair enough. I feel that while that could have been a contributing factor, he did not prepare adequately.

That is not a knock on Axl. Like I say, I want him to be at his best. I don't mean to tell him what to do, I'm just suggesting. Don't take it personally.

I would give it up if I were you  

The main flaw with what you are saying, very simply, is that people with a strep throat struggle to sing, you can actually Google that one. No amount of practice would change anything

Secondly, think about this. You  are attempting to advise Axl Rose, a vocalist with 25 years plus experience, how to prepare his voice for touring.   In the big scheme of things, please think about how ludicrous this is. Axl, if he wanted to, could access any number of vocal experts from anywhere in the world to assist with his vocals if he felt it was necessary.

It is a shame, because your sentiment cannot be questioned, you are not wanting to see Axl underperform and be criticised. I think this is fair enough, but please don't let your pride overwhelm your sentiment

  I appreciate where you're coming from, and thanks for trying to see it from my point of view. 

My reference wasn't solely in relation to Bridge School - like I say - if he was in fact sick, fair enough. But preparation has without doubt, in my mind, been a factor in the past. It may still be, it remains to be seen.

I acknowledge that he is 25 years in the business, that's fine - and by all accounts, he is likely to know better than me. But, I don't think he uses that experience/access to his advantage as much as he could.

I'll happily discuss this with you Mysteron as you're at least open to accepting my POV. Some just feel he can do no wrong. 

[raindogs70]

From Neil Young's Twitter Q&A:
Q: Ok. Any chance of you & Axl releasing an album together?

A: Axl and I are doing a world tour together

[Xpensivewinozzz]

I don`t post on here often but I do lurk most days and have been lurking for years just did not join till recently.

FFS .......Have none of you had an off day when you feel like crap, but still you drag your ass in to work.

Only difference is no one is following you with a camera and sticking it on the net for everyone to piss all over you.

These concerts were for a GOOD cause and the people they were supporting had a GREAT time .

I for one would rather go see a guy who ocassionally falls flat on his ass than some prick who mimes every night.

That is the beauty of a LIVE performance you never know what you are going to experience.
 
You want perfection, stick on your head phones and listen to a nicely polished Recording Studio Album .

  OVER

[Mysteron]

That's fair enough, if it's true. I just find it too much of a coincidence that the start of the tour sees his voice no where near his best, and mid-tour it gets miles better. You can say that touring will improve his voice, and it will. But it is similar to practising everyday for a month before a tour. If that is done, then he could be at his best from the beginning of a tour. Which, in the past, he has not been.

If you say he was sick, fair enough. But there are other examples of beginning of tours where he seems ill-prepared and things don't pick up until mid way through. Can the excuse always be 'he was sick'?

Wait. So how do you know how Axl prepares for tours/shows and what would be best for him and those who attend the shows?

I'm curious what kind of info you have.

If that's your simple solution, why not make the first two weeks of each tour have two shows per day for 14 days? 





/jarmo

So you think Axl is at his best from the start of a tour always? And never improves after a few dates in?


It's not rocket science. You can't deny that his voice gets better as the tour goes on.

Why isn't he close to his best from the start then?

Surely a more rigorous practising method pre-tour would allow for this?

Treating the month before a tour as a 'dress rehearsal', if Axl were to do something like 15 'mock', full shows  - just with the band and no audience, then his voice would be at the level it usually is mid-tour. Except it would be from the start.

If he does do something like that, then fair enough. I don't think he does. There is such a massive improvement between show 1 and show 10 that it seems unlikely.

Jarmo, you can try and push me aside here and belittled all of my arguments, but this is merely a discussion.

I - as a FAN - want Axl to be at his best. He is not always at his best.

He was not at his best at the Bridge Show. Beta says he was sick, fair enough. I feel that while that could have been a contributing factor, he did not prepare adequately.

That is not a knock on Axl. Like I say, I want him to be at his best. I don't mean to tell him what to do, I'm just suggesting. Don't take it personally.

I would give it up if I were you  

The main flaw with what you are saying, very simply, is that people with a strep throat struggle to sing, you can actually Google that one. No amount of practice would change anything

Secondly, think about this. You  are attempting to advise Axl Rose, a vocalist with 25 years plus experience, how to prepare his voice for touring.   In the big scheme of things, please think about how ludicrous this is. Axl, if he wanted to, could access any number of vocal experts from anywhere in the world to assist with his vocals if he felt it was necessary.

It is a shame, because your sentiment cannot be questioned, you are not wanting to see Axl underperform and be criticised. I think this is fair enough, but please don't let your pride overwhelm your sentiment

I'll happily discuss this with you Mysteron as you're at least open to accepting my POV. Some just feel he can do no wrong. 

It was a charity gig. Sometimes you have to pick and choose where to make your point, and this is probably not the thread for the point you are trying to make.

[tim_m]

What in the hell is Ron wearing on his head during Paradise City?

[LuanVictor]

What in the hell is Ron wearing on his head during Paradise City?

[tim_m]

What in the hell is Ron wearing on his head during Paradise City?

Thanks! I knew it was some kinda animal but couldn't tell from the video.

[Mysteron]

From Neil Young's Twitter Q&A:
Q: Ok. Any chance of you & Axl releasing an album together?

A: Axl and I are doing a world tour together

That is an extraordinary tweet to focus on, if true

[Ali]

That's fair enough, if it's true. I just find it too much of a coincidence that the start of the tour sees his voice no where near his best, and mid-tour it gets miles better. You can say that touring will improve his voice, and it will. But it is similar to practising everyday for a month before a tour. If that is done, then he could be at his best from the beginning of a tour. Which, in the past, he has not been.

If you say he was sick, fair enough. But there are other examples of beginning of tours where he seems ill-prepared and things don't pick up until mid way through. Can the excuse always be 'he was sick'?

Wait. So how do you know how Axl prepares for tours/shows and what would be best for him and those who attend the shows?

I'm curious what kind of info you have.

If that's your simple solution, why not make the first two weeks of each tour have two shows per day for 14 days? 





/jarmo

So you think Axl is at his best from the start of a tour always? And never improves after a few dates in?


It's not rocket science. You can't deny that his voice gets better as the tour goes on.

Why isn't he close to his best from the start then?

Surely a more rigorous practising method pre-tour would allow for this?

Treating the month before a tour as a 'dress rehearsal', if Axl were to do something like 15 'mock', full shows  - just with the band and no audience, then his voice would be at the level it usually is mid-tour. Except it would be from the start.

If he does do something like that, then fair enough. I don't think he does. There is such a massive improvement between show 1 and show 10 that it seems unlikely.

Jarmo, you can try and push me aside here and belittled all of my arguments, but this is merely a discussion.

I - as a FAN - want Axl to be at his best. He is not always at his best.

He was not at his best at the Bridge Show. Beta says he was sick, fair enough. I feel that while that could have been a contributing factor, he did not prepare adequately.

That is not a knock on Axl. Like I say, I want him to be at his best. I don't mean to tell him what to do, I'm just suggesting. Don't take it personally.

I would give it up if I were you  

The main flaw with what you are saying, very simply, is that people with a strep throat struggle to sing, you can actually Google that one. No amount of practice would change anything

Secondly, think about this. You  are attempting to advise Axl Rose, a vocalist with 25 years plus experience, how to prepare his voice for touring.   In the big scheme of things, please think about how ludicrous this is. Axl, if he wanted to, could access any number of vocal experts from anywhere in the world to assist with his vocals if he felt it was necessary.

It is a shame, because your sentiment cannot be questioned, you are not wanting to see Axl underperform and be criticised. I think this is fair enough, but please don't let your pride overwhelm your sentiment

I'll happily discuss this with you Mysteron as you're at least open to accepting my POV. Some just feel he can do no wrong. 

It was a charity gig. Sometimes you have to pick and choose where to make your point, and this is probably not the thread for the point you are trying to make.

I agree with that.

Also, Shackler, my biggest problem with what you were saying is what came across to me as an attitude of knowing what was going on with Axl, the illness or lack thereof, better than people who were actually with him at the time of these shows (e.g. Beta, Fernando and Ron).

Ali

[AxlsMainMan]

From Neil Young's Twitter Q&A:
Q: Ok. Any chance of you & Axl releasing an album together?

A: Axl and I are doing a world tour together

That is an extraordinary tweet to focus on, if true

I concur

[Nytunz]

From Neil Young's Twitter Q&A:
Q: Ok. Any chance of you & Axl releasing an album together?

A: Axl and I are doing a world tour together

That is an extraordinary tweet to focus on, if true

I concur

i couldnt find it on Neil Youngs twitter.. But its interesting if true..

[SlashRxR]

I attended both shows and Axl did have trouble the first night... No doubt about it, but the second night KILLED! I will post the show as soon as it uploads completely!

Cool! Audio or video? Would love to see that, thanks a lot in advance!

Audio posted in the Appetite for Cellection bootleg section ENjoi everyone!!!!