Slash on Howard Stern tomorrow May 22nd 7am Eastern

[Ali]

if Axl is upset about the perception that Slash gave about how he obtained the rights to the GnR name then all he would have to do is come out and say that's not what happened.

Don't you think the press would then instantaneously claim that Axl is lying? What possible motivation would they have for embracing Axl's perspective when Slash has essentially been the lapdog of the media for the last 15 years?

Most people with an elementary grasp of law know that a contract signed under coercion or duress is not valid, so why should Axl even have to come out and say that's not what happened? Why not let basic logic take its course?

Let me see if I'm following you. The public should just know (without Axl coming out and saying it) that this didn't happen because it would have been the incorrect move from a legal standpoint. And Axl has never and will never do anything incorrectly. That's your idea of basic logic?

No, not that it's "incorrect".  That it would make the contract legally null and void.  The contract was never rendered null and void, obviously.

Ali

Ok, I see that now. But it would help public perception had Axl gave his side of the story a few years earlier.

Whatever happened in the past is the past. The fact that Axl cannot get over it and chose not to show up at the HOF event with some long winded letter as an excuse, was just petty and disrespectful...

I don't think the HOF thing is that big of a deal. It would be cool if Axl and Slash could be on speaking terms but I don't think there's any desire from either side to work together again. From this interview it didn't sound like Slash was all that stoked about the HOF going in either. Sounds like it was a bunch of industry guys in suits running that show. But he's not good at saying no.

I agree with you.  It didn't help and it created what is known as the "illusion of truth" where something is repeated enough, it is accepted as truth.

Ali

[LunsJail]

I agree with you.  It didn't help and it created what is known as the "illusion of truth" where something is repeated enough, it is accepted as truth.

Ali
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That Behind the Music a few years back didn't help either. The voice over said "Axl forced the band to sign the name over to him or the group would be history" but they don't show Slash or anyone actually saying that and don't cite any sources for much of the commentary on there.

[Fingers]

Howard stern is SHREDDING slash

He also called the current Guns N Roses a tribute band, so I would not exactly say he shredded Slash.

[raindogs70]

Howard stern is SHREDDING slash

If you are talking about today's show then you listened to repeat clips.  Howard doesn't work on Thursdays anymore. 

If you are talking about Tuesday's show, I don't remember any shredding.  He mentioned how he could lock all of the GNR guys in a room and get them to sort through their differences, even calling Slash out, but it was nothing too bad.  Although his comment to Slash about how his "sobriety is tenuous at best" was hilarious. 

I don't think he shredded either. Stern is aggressive with all his guests. He uses it for comedic effect to some degree. People know that before they go on there. It may seem a little surprising if you don't listen to him much.

Howard thought it was cool for Axl to blow off the Rock Hall, but is stunned that a band can reject a 100 million dollar payday. He's making boatloads off of judging a TV show on top of what he got from Sirius.

Slash is going to tolerate the Axl questions from Piers & Howard, and I think Piers had just interviewed him a couple of years ago.  The rest of them can read the book.

[kobys]

Howard can go to Hell!!!

[m_rated96]

Howard stern is SHREDDING slash

He also called the current Guns N Roses a tribute band, so I would not exactly say he shredded Slash.

He was on his back foot the entire interview, stern broached about 20 topics slash clearly didn't want to talk about and you could tell slash was uncomfortable for like 80% of the interview ...

[Fingers]

Howard stern is SHREDDING slash

He also called the current Guns N Roses a tribute band, so I would not exactly say he shredded Slash.

He was on his back foot the entire interview, stern broached about 20 topics slash clearly didn't want to talk about and you could tell slash was uncomfortable for like 80% of the interview ...

What was he afraid to talk about? Stern asked about reunion questions, which Slash has answered in the last 100 interviews about-there was nothing earth shattering in the interview

[kobys]

Howard stern is SHREDDING slash

He also called the current Guns N Roses a tribute band, so I would not exactly say he shredded Slash.

He was on his back foot the entire interview, stern broached about 20 topics slash clearly didn't want to talk about and you could tell slash was uncomfortable for like 80% of the interview ...

What was he afraid to talk about? Stern asked about reunion questions, which Slash has answered in the last 100 interviews about-there was nothing earth shattering in the interview

He clearly didn't want to talk about what happened with Perla that time!

[jacdaniel]

I dont understand why anybody would want to talk to a guitar player about his marriage..... 

That kinda stuff is him and Perla's business only.

[kobys]

I dont understand why anybody would want to talk to a guitar player about his marriage..... 

That kinda stuff is him and Perla's business only.

I agree totally.

[Trist805]

I dont understand why anybody would want to talk to a guitar player about his marriage..... 

That kinda stuff is him and Perla's business only.

I agree totally.

Except for the fact that she is always putting herself in the public eye, and is currently writing a book about her marriage.  So I guess you are right, it is literally her "business"

[WAR41]

I dont understand why anybody would want to talk to a guitar player about his marriage..... 

That kinda stuff is him and Perla's business only.

I agree totally.

Yeah, but that is how Stern has made his money and made a name for himself.  He would grill all celebrities he has on the show.  If Slash had been asked that question 15 years ago there is no chance Stern would have backed off of him. 

I didn't think the interview was bad at all.  I thought there were some really good moments and its not all the time you get a current or former member of GNR to have a 45 minute live interview like that. 

[sleeper]

I dont understand why anybody would want to talk to a guitar player about his marriage..... 

That kinda stuff is him and Perla's business only.

I agree totally.

Except for the fact that she is always putting herself in the public eye, and is currently writing a book about her marriage.  So I guess you are right, it is literally her "business"

The book Perla is writing is not about her marriage or Slash.

[LunsJail]

I dont understand why anybody would want to talk to a guitar player about his marriage..... 

That kinda stuff is him and Perla's business only.

I agree totally.

Yeah, but that is how Stern has made his money and made a name for himself.  He would grill all celebrities he has on the show.  If Slash had been asked that question 15 years ago there is no chance Stern would have backed off of him. 

I didn't think the interview was bad at all.  I thought there were some really good moments and its not all the time you get a current or former member of GNR to have a 45 minute live interview like that. 

I agree, it wasn't bad at all. The people surprised about this interview obviously don't listen to Stern much.

[faldor]

I dont understand why anybody would want to talk to a guitar player about his marriage..... 

That kinda stuff is him and Perla's business only.

I agree totally.

Yeah, but that is how Stern has made his money and made a name for himself.  He would grill all celebrities he has on the show.  If Slash had been asked that question 15 years ago there is no chance Stern would have backed off of him. 

I didn't think the interview was bad at all.  I thought there were some really good moments and its not all the time you get a current or former member of GNR to have a 45 minute live interview like that. 

I agree, it wasn't bad at all. The people surprised about this interview obviously don't listen to Stern much.

True.  Stern's show is for entertainment purposes.  That's what his listeners care about.  Being entertained.  They don't want him to ask the basic, or even in depth questions about music.  Leave that to the stock interviewers.  He's going to ask his guests the uncomfortable questions that they may not want to talk about.  He will try to push the envelope on occasion, but he knows when to let up, which he did with Slash.  He's one of the best interviewers in the business.  I think he knows what he's doing.

[Limulus]

If this is the reason Axl is pissed at Slash, In my opinion, it is way way way overblown. At the end of the day Axl won, he maintained ownership rights to the name GNR and continues to record, perform, and benefit from GNR. If you really think about it, Slash and Duff are the ones that should hate and despise Axl even if the whole thing was orchestrated by Doug Goldstein, because Axl never came back to them to say hey I did not do this and lets get this thing straightened out. Slash and Duff are the ones that lost out, but they seem not to not have any animosity toward Axl. Instead Duff is cool with Axl and vice versa, but Axl still holds the grudge against Slash. Axl and Slash were always my favorite, but Axl has overreacted to this whole situation especially considering he has the upper hand. Its almost like he is trying to rub it in Slash's face for some reason. I think deep down Axl also resents that there is such a huge portion of the GNR fan base that continues to support Slash, that pushes for the reunion, and that it will not go away no matter what he does.

Wow. I'm sorry, but that is one of the more incomprehensible and absurd takes in the situation I've read. Whether or not Axl "won out" is irrelevant. The point is that Slash's portrayal of the situation, either intentionally or not, has helped create the perception that Axl got the rights to the band name through blackmail. In fact, I had an email dialogue with a writer from the San Jose Mercury News who cited Slash's version of events as some sort of proof that Axl had blackmailed Slash and Duff into getting the rights to the name. I think its natural to be upset at someone for describing a situation in such a way that leads to a perception you did something that was illegal.

Ali

i think this "take" from Hudson is actually a good one, something not to read on boards that much by the way. meaning: no matter how it went down with the middle men, it was Axl's intention to get more power and secure the band name for himself only, it was his move! how much weight on Slash's and Duff's shoulders that must have become more and more over the years, slowly realizing Axl could (and did!) go on with the same b(r)and name but new musicians/employes....is smth. people hardly can even imagine. off course the same goes for Axl's shoulders, he will have to deal with that until he dies. but it most likely leaves some bittertaste for his old friends, too, it provenly does for many fans.

[m_rated96]

If this is the reason Axl is pissed at Slash, In my opinion, it is way way way overblown. At the end of the day Axl won, he maintained ownership rights to the name GNR and continues to record, perform, and benefit from GNR. If you really think about it, Slash and Duff are the ones that should hate and despise Axl even if the whole thing was orchestrated by Doug Goldstein, because Axl never came back to them to say hey I did not do this and lets get this thing straightened out. Slash and Duff are the ones that lost out, but they seem not to not have any animosity toward Axl. Instead Duff is cool with Axl and vice versa, but Axl still holds the grudge against Slash. Axl and Slash were always my favorite, but Axl has overreacted to this whole situation especially considering he has the upper hand. Its almost like he is trying to rub it in Slash's face for some reason. I think deep down Axl also resents that there is such a huge portion of the GNR fan base that continues to support Slash, that pushes for the reunion, and that it will not go away no matter what he does.

Wow. I'm sorry, but that is one of the more incomprehensible and absurd takes in the situation I've read. Whether or not Axl "won out" is irrelevant. The point is that Slash's portrayal of the situation, either intentionally or not, has helped create the perception that Axl got the rights to the band name through blackmail. In fact, I had an email dialogue with a writer from the San Jose Mercury News who cited Slash's version of events as some sort of proof that Axl had blackmailed Slash and Duff into getting the rights to the name. I think its natural to be upset at someone for describing a situation in such a way that leads to a perception you did something that was illegal.

Ali

i think this "take" from Hudson is actually a good one, something not to read on boards that much by the way. meaning: no matter how it went down with the middle men, it was Axl's intention to get more power and secure the band name for himself only, it was his move! how much weight on Slash's and Duff's shoulders that must have become more and more over the years, slowly realizing Axl could (and did!) go on with the same b(r)and name but new musicians/employes....is smth. people hardly can even imagine. off course the same goes for Axl's shoulders, he will have to deal with that until he dies. but it most likely leaves some bittertaste for his old friends, too, it provenly does for many fans.

I agree. I get what your saying Ali, and the fact that Axl is getting an overblown and undeserved negative perception from Slash's comments, failure to clarify issues and media bullshit is clearly what is upsetting him. And I think that's whats come out alot recently - that the reason he's REALLY pissed is that Slash's comments from interviews 5-10 years ago, the anecdotes in Slash's book, and i guess Slash's ambivalence in recent times, has been a big contributor to the overhyped perception that he is a big jerk.

But he should realise that he's not the only one whose the victim here, and slash and duff have lost alot. They are playing to much smaller venues especially internationally than they could with the gnr name. Axl has the brand name, he has a good band and its a far bigger drawcard than Slash, Loaded or even VR ever was, and those guys live in the Axl shadow just as much as he does. So he 'wins' in many ways.

And the weight he has to carry is his own fault on two counts: (1) he instigated the move and (2) he repeatedly chooses to avoid media interviews and go on shows like Howard Stern and clarify what really went down. If he's worried about his public perception so much and the "endless revisionism and fantasies that need stamping out" then he should do something about it.

[Ali]

If this is the reason Axl is pissed at Slash, In my opinion, it is way way way overblown. At the end of the day Axl won, he maintained ownership rights to the name GNR and continues to record, perform, and benefit from GNR. If you really think about it, Slash and Duff are the ones that should hate and despise Axl even if the whole thing was orchestrated by Doug Goldstein, because Axl never came back to them to say hey I did not do this and lets get this thing straightened out. Slash and Duff are the ones that lost out, but they seem not to not have any animosity toward Axl. Instead Duff is cool with Axl and vice versa, but Axl still holds the grudge against Slash. Axl and Slash were always my favorite, but Axl has overreacted to this whole situation especially considering he has the upper hand. Its almost like he is trying to rub it in Slash's face for some reason. I think deep down Axl also resents that there is such a huge portion of the GNR fan base that continues to support Slash, that pushes for the reunion, and that it will not go away no matter what he does.

Wow. I'm sorry, but that is one of the more incomprehensible and absurd takes in the situation I've read. Whether or not Axl "won out" is irrelevant. The point is that Slash's portrayal of the situation, either intentionally or not, has helped create the perception that Axl got the rights to the band name through blackmail. In fact, I had an email dialogue with a writer from the San Jose Mercury News who cited Slash's version of events as some sort of proof that Axl had blackmailed Slash and Duff into getting the rights to the name. I think its natural to be upset at someone for describing a situation in such a way that leads to a perception you did something that was illegal.

Ali

i think this "take" from Hudson is actually a good one, something not to read on boards that much by the way. meaning: no matter how it went down with the middle men, it was Axl's intention to get more power and secure the band name for himself only, it was his move! how much weight on Slash's and Duff's shoulders that must have become more and more over the years, slowly realizing Axl could (and did!) go on with the same b(r)and name but new musicians/employes....is smth. people hardly can even imagine. off course the same goes for Axl's shoulders, he will have to deal with that until he dies. but it most likely leaves some bittertaste for his old friends, too, it provenly does for many fans.

I agree. I get what your saying Ali, and the fact that Axl is getting an overblown and undeserved negative perception from Slash's comments, failure to clarify issues and media bullshit is clearly what is upsetting him. And I think that's whats come out alot recently - that the reason he's REALLY pissed is that Slash's comments from interviews 5-10 years ago, the anecdotes in Slash's book, and i guess Slash's ambivalence in recent times, has been a big contributor to the overhyped perception that he is a big jerk.

But he should realise that he's not the only one whose the victim here, and slash and duff have lost alot. They are playing to much smaller venues especially internationally than they could with the gnr name. Axl has the brand name, he has a good band and its a far bigger drawcard than Slash, Loaded or even VR ever was, and those guys live in the Axl shadow just as much as he does. So he 'wins' in many ways.

And the weight he has to carry is his own fault on two counts: (1) he instigated the move and (2) he repeatedly chooses to avoid media interviews and go on shows like Howard Stern and clarify what really went down. If he's worried about his public perception so much and the "endless revisionism and fantasies that need stamping out" then he should do something about it.

Like I said before, Axl "winning" is irrelevant in regards to being able to feel the way he does towards Slash.  There's no reason why the ultimate outcome has to be tied to how to feel about an inaccurate, public-perception-skewing take on how things went down.  He may have instigated the move, but he is not responsible for how it was executed.

Axl DID do something about it.  He did speak out against, although granted a little late.

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=133371

Ali

[Limulus]

but, Ali, it could be considered as THE 1st big move leading up to all the thrash talking and stuff!??! nevermind the situation Slash and Duff have been in addictly by that time.....its still goin down to succesfully getting them out of the GN'R name - during a time when Axl, Slash and Duff were in one of the biggest Rock bands in the world (Rolling Stones-like)!

[Fingers]

I dont understand why anybody would want to talk to a guitar player about his marriage..... 

That kinda stuff is him and Perla's business only.

I agree totally.

Except for the fact that she is always putting herself in the public eye, and is currently writing a book about her marriage.  So I guess you are right, it is literally her "business"

When did she say the book would be about her marriage?