"Next Album" rumor / speculation thread *UPDATE AUG 22/2023*

[D-GenerationX]

If it had been any other awards show (except for jarmos obvious hatred and lack of respect for the amazing kids choice awards :p ), it probably would have....

Grammys can be a sore subject...esp for me. Admittedly. Too much personal "stuff"...similar to my stance on the major label system.

Yeah, you had some pretty major stuff simmering under the surface, it seems.

Its all good.  We all have things that fire us up.

[jarmo]

But I thought you two envisioned some sort of connection between, the live performers, and the nominees. Jarmo's argument was, that Guns would never play because they did not win their nominated categories in the early-1990s.

The connection I made, between not winning and performance is: There's no history between the organization and GN'R, because GN'R never won anything. Simple.
And that's not the only reason I think the Grammy Awards wouldn't be the most obvious choice. It's all there in my posts. If you read what I've posted.....




/jarmo

[pilferk]

And I don't claim a preference based system, anywhere.  I haven't seen jarmo do so, either. Not specifically levied against the voting.

You are switching your beliefs between every reply now! You yourself posted about them favouring hipster-t-shirt bands. Jarmo seems to find something odd about them not voting 'the biggest band in the world' in, and mentioned political bias against stuff like the One In A Million controversy! Metallica's success at the Grammys has been cited, the argument being, that Metallica are a 'favourite' which gains them the votes.

Thats not voting, my friend. Notice the qualifier right there at the end of that line you quoted. Different discussion tangent, same topic thread.  That was in relation to who gets picked to perform (as was my metallica comments) on the show. True for all that. Hell, even you agreed there was preference there...your basis for that preference was just different (popularity/sales).

Try to keep up. i know its confusing with all the tangent convos going on in the same place. I'm not changing positions....you are changing tangents.

But I thought you two envisioned some sort of connection between, the live performers, and the nominees. Jarmo's argument was, that Guns would never play because they did not win their nominated categories in the early-1990s.

Don't shoot the messenger! It is your (the two of you) argument I am reciting here.

Nope. Point to where i specifically  made that connection between the two discussions? Thats what i mean....you're combining the two discussions where nobody else has.

We have my argument about who gets selected to perform.

You have jarmos argument about why they might say no. Its a question, for not winning, of having no strong connection to them (unlike, say,the vmas). Not a question of being screwed out of the win.

I'm not even arguing jarmos point, keep in mind. I just understand what hes putting on the page.

[D-GenerationX]

Even now....i suspect there is some ill will over "niggers and faggots" amongst many in the grammy sphere.  Even after the explanations and apologies.

I wrote a paper on the song in college.  It was for a marketing class.

We had to take something that didn't really land and explain how we'd have launched it differently.

I pitched that song, but released as a satire.  That what Axl was really saying in the verses was just stuff ignorant people say.  And the chorus was a satire on those ignorant people, suggesting that they are misguided thinking they are special, or "one in a million".

I got a B+.  Professor gave me a note that said the point could have been made with less abrasive language.  I actually talked to him after the class, explaining that song was already written as is, and I thought we were just supposed to take something that was launched as is and explain how we could have salvaged it.

He didn't budge though.  Dickhead.

[D-GenerationX]

And that's not the only reason I think the Grammy Awards wouldn't be the most obvious choice. It's all there in my posts. If you read what I've posted.....

But you pretty consistently rejected that he just wouldn't feel like it.  Like that couldn't have even been in the running.

[pilferk]

If it had been any other awards show (except for jarmos obvious hatred and lack of respect for the amazing kids choice awards :p ), it probably would have....

Grammys can be a sore subject...esp for me. Admittedly. Too much personal "stuff"...similar to my stance on the major label system.

Yeah, you had some pretty major stuff simmering under the surface, it seems.

Its all good.  We all have things that fire us up.

Just some eyes on the inner workings, a lot of anecdotal stories from those that work in the industry....not pretty stuff. A lot of friendships and connections from early professional career. I hear/heard a lot of venting and evil stories...they'd make your hair curl.

[jarmo]

But you pretty consistently rejected that he just wouldn't feel like it.  Like that couldn't have even been in the running.

If you don't feel like it, there's a reason for it. If I ask you to do something, and you say "I don't feel like it", then I can ask "Why?". That's the reason for not doing it.

I don't buy the "Axl doesn't do stuff just because he doesn't feel like it" theory. Every decision has at least one reason. If you don't feel like doing something, there's a reason for that.




/jarmo

[TheBaconman]

I said I can see why GN'R Lies didn't win. It's kinda controversial. Agree? Is that a conspiracy or agenda. No. Just a fact.

Very valid, no doubt.  That song was pretty ill received at the time.

Even now....i suspect there is some ill will over "niggers and faggots" amongst many in the grammy sphere.  Even after the explanations and apologies.

There is a inner circle in Hollywood and music that is part of the Grammies and oscars

Just looked at what happend to Mel gibsons career after is rant about Jews.   The guy went on a drunken crazy rant that got caught on tape and has been blackballed from the Hollywood community by the insiders

So was there some hate towards the band for some lyrics of that song at the time.  Ya mb there was

[Limulus]

i enjoy TV performances/Pro-Shots every few years or even each (different) tour.
Never give a s*it about Grammys or Music Awards though, but they're are in the RNRHOF for AFD/UYI!!!! thats a very nice one to have for fans in general - though unfortunately 2 ruined that.

[D-GenerationX]

If you don't feel like it, there's a reason for it. If I ask you to do something, and you say "I don't feel like it", then I can ask "Why?". That's the reason for not doing it.

I don't buy the "Axl doesn't do stuff just because he doesn't feel like it" theory. Every decision has at least one reason. If you don't feel like doing something, there's a reason for that.

Yeah, and "I don't feel like going to that bullshit because I hate it" is a reason.  And a valid one.  Who here hasn't said that in their lives, about any number of things?

Aren't you always telling us he does what wants, when he wants, and we should shut the fuck up and accept it?  Because, in this example, I'm not even disagreeing with that stance.  Dude doesn't want to go, he doesn't want to go.  He doesn't owe anyone a further answer. 

Can I assume you are so dug in here because you think that somehow paints Axl in a bad light?  That tends to be when you feel the need to "correct the record".

[jarmo]

Yeah, and "I don't feel like going to that bullshit because I hate it" is a reason.  And a valid one.  Who here hasn't said that in their lives, about any number of things?

Yeah, sure you can say that. But then there's a reason for the hate!

Aren't you always telling us he does what wants, when he wants, and we should shut the fuck up and accept it?  Because, in this example, I'm not even disagreeing with that stance.  Dude doesn't want to go, he doesn't want to go.  He doesn't owe anyone a further answer. 

Can I assume you are so dug in here because you think that somehow paints Axl in a bad light?  That tends to be when you feel the need to "correct the record".

Doing what you want, and when you want to, doesn't exclude the fact that doing what you want, and when you do it, have reason(s)....

It doesn't paint him in bad light. He does what he wants. It shows integrity.
If anything, it paints you in bad light since you're not interested in opening your mind to the possibility that there's more to the picture than "oh, he doesn't feel like it".

So from now on, you shouldn't question anything because in your opinion the answer to everything is "Axl does what he wants." Glad we got this sorted!  




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

If anything, it paints you in bad light since you're not interested in opening your mind to the possibility that there's more to the picture than "oh, he doesn't feel like it".

I think what you are saying could be possible, sure.  I also think its possible, and frankly, more likely, that it could be what I said.

I am under no obligation to frantically spin as many alternate theories as I can if it means (gasp!) not having to acknowledge he can be rather difficult a lot of the time. 

I can say that out loud, no problem.  I didn't start following this guy 5 minutes ago.  I know you didn't either, but a lot of your stuff would likely play better to someone that did.

[jarmo]

I'm under no obligation to post anything I don't want to. My opinion differs from yours. It's obvious. While you believe that it's because I'm told to think a certain way, I know it's because of our different lives.

Just letting you know that the idea you have of Axl in your mind might be somewhat simplistic.

But sometimes it's easier to just go "Axl didn't do it because it's how he is" instead of finding the answer(s).
You always got that to fall back on. Doesn't mean that's the real absolute truth though.  And that's my point.



/jarmo

[TheBaconman]

Back to what we want to hear on the new album

I want to hear more songs with whistling.   

Axl has a great whistle.  Some of guns best songs have a whistle in them.  Nothing better than driving and whistling over top of the songs being played

Bring back the whistle!

[D-GenerationX]

But sometimes it's easier to just go "Axl didn't do it because it's how he is" instead of finding the answer(s).
You always got that to fall back on. Doesn't mean that's the real absolute truth though.  And that's my point.

But sometimes, it is.  And that's OK.

Its not always a big misunderstanding.  Life isn't 'Three's Company'.  

[D-GenerationX]

Back to what we want to hear on the new album

I want to hear more songs with whistling.   

Axl has a great whistle.  Some of guns best songs have a whistle in them.  Nothing better than driving and whistling over top of the songs being played

Bring back the whistle!

Best whistler ever, p4p.

I'm sure we've all whistled along with him in the car and hit a flat note.  Or just air.

I can't think of one live version of 'Patience' where he fucks it up though.

[Spirit]

Back to what we want to hear on the new album

I want to hear more songs with whistling.   

Axl has a great whistle.  Some of guns best songs have a whistle in them.  Nothing better than driving and whistling over top of the songs being played

Bring back the whistle!

Or Axl on the kazoo! 

Love the ending of Human Being.

[Gavgnr]

Back to what we want to hear on the new album

I want to hear more songs with whistling.   

Axl has a great whistle.  Some of guns best songs have a whistle in them.  Nothing better than driving and whistling over top of the songs being played

Bring back the whistle!

Agreed, love Axl's whistling

FWIW, I've read on mygnr that Kanada has 'heard' 2015 is the year.

This is probably old but, let's hope the man is right!

[pilferk]

Back to what we want to hear on the new album

I want to hear more songs with whistling.   

Axl has a great whistle.  Some of guns best songs have a whistle in them.  Nothing better than driving and whistling over top of the songs being played

Bring back the whistle!

I really need the return of the cowbell. I miss it.

[draguns]

I'm not quite seeing the point of GNR as as "dangerous" band anymore. They USED to be when they were younger and had the original lineup. NOW, Axl is in his 50s and really not dangerous anymore.  Would you really want a guy in his 50s to be dangerous?? Also no one in this band really brings that danger or craziness factor in this lineup. So I think that's a false argument about why Guns shouldn't or couldn't do the Grammys.

With the people we're talking about...perception trumps reality pretty much every time.

The PERCEPTION is that Axl isn't a "good citizen", that he's unpredictable, etc.  The Grammy organizers just wouldn't ask them.

I disagree with perception.Perception is YOUR reality based on your experiences, beliefs, and values. It might not be someone else's reality. Second he was unpredictable. Not anymore.