"Next Album" rumor / speculation thread *UPDATE AUG 22/2023*

[TheBaconman]

Summer shed tours are events. Why do you think all those 80s bands do them every other summer?
You think a band like Poison would manage an arena tour say in November? It's pretty far from fun in the sun, beers and tailgating.



/jarmo

Well I am in Canada.   We don't tail gate here

The crew played here in December.   Was around -15 out celc. Sold out show roughly

Def leapord plas here in April.  Hopefully won't be -15. Should be around +10 celc   Again show is sold out.   

I don't think poison would play arenas here.   Theater or casino, is the next stage down in venue size here.  Then bar

I see what you are saying about summer concerts selling well and I do agree with that

I would however not call montely crew or def leapord 80s bands.    Both have surpassed that

Poison.  Not so much

[mortismurphy]

I Believe By 30 Anniversary of GNR, Residency 2015

 

Hopefully it'll rather be a tour supporting the next album.

Chinese did get quite an unorthodox treatment when it came to live support of the album, starting the promotion several years ahead of the release. Of course they didn't know at the time, but I think one can say the album sort of suffered because of that. A lot of the songs were already well-known songs when the album came out.

The dream scenario (for me) would be:

- Single release (4-6 weeks ahead of album)
- Warm-up shows with performance of the new single, plus one or two other new songs (within the last month before the album release)
- Album release
- First leg of new world tour
- Release second single during first leg

Agree with this.

[D-GenerationX]

Yeah, that all sounds ace.

[jarmo]

Well I am in Canada. 

Canada isn't the USA.

Actually, it seems like the last few times Poison did summer those tours, they weren't even headlining..... They used to a few years ago though.




/jarmo

[Gavgnr]

Seems like hopes are riding high for 2015!

Fingers crossed gunners!

[TheBaconman]

Well I am in Canada. 

Canada isn't the USA.

Actually, it seems like the last few times Poison did summer those tours, they weren't even headlining..... They used to a few years ago though.




/jarmo

I used to have a poison tshirt I used to wear to school.  Grade 5 I think.  Tour shirt, with a woman's. Legs spread on the back with the album title.  Open up and say ahh.   Teachers hated it.   Haha.   I loved that shirt

Poison was a fun band that, too myself, was part of a time and age.   Not relevant today, especially some of there members were involved in american reality TV.   Ugh

Back to the new album for a second.   As I just parked my car and was listening to some Weezer.  

What ever happens to rivers and axl writting or recoding together...   To lazy to goolge.    Did axl song on a weezer album I missed?

I think rivers could write a killer guitar rock song with axl.  3 mins long that would get radio air play and would be great.   Let do it

[D-GenerationX]

Actually, it seems like the last few times Poison did summer those tours, they weren't even headlining..... They used to a few years ago though.

Are they even still together?

I think the last time he came through, Bret was solo.

[kyrie]

Well I am in Canada. 

Canada isn't the USA.

Actually, it seems like the last few times Poison did summer those tours, they weren't even headlining..... They used to a few years ago though.




/jarmo

So should Guns consider a summer shed tour? With a solid second act I actually think they could be very successful with even just a new single out to get people's attention.

Arenas can still work in big markets, and despite some people complaining about shows not selling out that's the promoter's issue, plus you don't have to sell out to make a profit. That said I'd even think Guns should consider headlining something like Uproar.

[Spirit]

Back to the new album for a second.   As I just parked my car and was listening to some Weezer.  

What ever happens to rivers and axl writting or recoding together...   To lazy to goolge.    Did axl song on a weezer album I missed?

I think rivers could write a killer guitar rock song with axl.  3 mins long that would get radio air play and would be great.   Let do it

I don't think they have worked together. Not 100% certain though. Weezer opened some concerts for GNR if I recall correctly.

Rivers mentions Axl by name in the lyrics of the song Suzanne which I always thought was pretty cool.

[pilferk]

Yeah, I think they could do a nice 15 to 20-ish date (with maybe 2 shows at MSG, and 2 out in LA, maybe at Staples) NA tour and be VERY successful doing it.  ESPECIALLY if they figured out a way to do mostly (if not entirely) weekend shows. I know..that's a tall order when balancing keeping the crew on the road with 5 days of down time in between shows, but...

Maybe that's why bands add shows in smaller markets?
For example, if you play NYC and Chicago on weekends, you can hit somewhere in PA and/or OH during the week.



/jarmo
 

It IS why...or at least one of the reasons.

But you have to balance costs with revenue, too. If you are losing money on the small market shows...and you can jet some of your fixed costs and just pay labor, you might be able to make it work.

[TheBaconman]

Back to the new album for a second.   As I just parked my car and was listening to some Weezer.  

What ever happens to rivers and axl writting or recoding together...   To lazy to goolge.    Did axl song on a weezer album I missed?

I think rivers could write a killer guitar rock song with axl.  3 mins long that would get radio air play and would be great.   Let do it

I don't think they have worked together. Not 100% certain though. Weezer opened some concerts for GNR if I recall correctly.

Rivers mentions Axl by name in the lyrics of the song Suzanne which I always thought was pretty cool.

Named a few members of gun in that great song

Suzanne was on the sound track to the movie Mall Rats.  One of my all time fav movies.   One I watch countless times in high school.   

[jarmo]

But you have to balance costs with revenue, too. If you are losing money on the small market shows...and you can jet some of your fixed costs and just pay labor, you might be able to make it work.

I think the only ones doing this kind of two-three shows per week thing are stadium acts who needs days to set up/tear down the stages at every place.
Unless there's multiple stages being used.

If you're doing a regular tour with some kind of production, you still need trucks to carry your stuff from A to B. Even if you're doing shows on weekends only. Then you gotta put people in hotels. Flying people home between shows doesn't seem like a good idea.

But if it's only a limited "tour", I guess you could do something like four weekends, one in NYC, one in Chicago, one in L.A. and one somewhere else. That would be the tour.
But like a mini residency in each area.... Club/theatre show(s) during the week, major show during weekend. Maybe that'd be the way to go...




/jarmo

[richbc]

But if it's only a limited "tour", I guess you could do something like four weekends, one in NYC, one in Chicago, one in L.A. and one somewhere else. That would be the tour.
But like a mini residency in each area.... Club/theatre show(s) during the week, major show during weekend. Maybe that'd be the way to go...

I'd be all over that. Catching multiple shows in one location in smaller venues would make travel from Canada worthwhile. Time (or lack of) is the issue for me... Seeing my favourite band while spending a long weekend in a major NA city would be killer (which is why the Vegas shows worked so well for me).

[TheBaconman]

But if it's only a limited "tour", I guess you could do something like four weekends, one in NYC, one in Chicago, one in L.A. and one somewhere else. That would be the tour.
But like a mini residency in each area.... Club/theatre show(s) during the week, major show during weekend. Maybe that'd be the way to go...

I'd be all over that. Catching multiple shows in one location in smaller venues would make travel from Canada worthwhile. Time (or lack of) is the issue for me... Seeing my favourite band while spending a long weekend in a major NA city would be killer (which is why the Vegas shows worked so well for me).

Totally agree

Let's try another market other than vegas though

How about seattle in June?   Some great places to see live music there.  And in June I will be there to catch the blue jays for 4 nights.   Through in some guns shows and it would be even more perfect

[italian queen]

I Believe By 30 Anniversary of GNR, Residency 2015

 

personally, I don't think so..

[pilferk]

I think the only ones doing this kind of two-three shows per week thing are stadium acts who needs days to set up/tear down the stages at every place.
Unless there's multiple stages being used.

If you're doing a regular tour with some kind of production, you still need trucks to carry your stuff from A to B. Even if you're doing shows on weekends only. Then you gotta put people in hotels. Flying people home between shows doesn't seem like a good idea.

Transport cost is pretty fixed.  Transport from A to B isn't going to cost much more if you're going from Boston to NYC as it does from Boston to Hartford.  In fact, less stops (thus, unloads) might make it a bit cheaper.

I agree on the "flying people home" bit. So there is definitely room and board cost involved, too.

But you also drop other costs associated with the venue, setup, etc. So you're paying for labor to sit around, their per diem, and their lodging, which, admittedly, isn't cheap....but dropping "other stuff".  The question is: Can you make that work?   They seemed to only be doing 2 or 3 shows a week for the Latin American tour in 2014, or the EU tour in 2012.  Some of them were packed closer together (3 shows in 4 days, then a 3 day break), too.  So....if you do 2 or 3 dates at MSG (say, Thurs - Sat?), then move on to, say, Miami for a pair of shows...maybe something like that can work. It might be able to....I don't know.

But if it's only a limited "tour", I guess you could do something like four weekends, one in NYC, one in Chicago, one in L.A. and one somewhere else. That would be the tour.
But like a mini residency in each area.... Club/theatre show(s) during the week, major show during weekend. Maybe that'd be the way to go...

/jarmo

I think that would be the idea.  Maybe throw in Boston, Miami, one of the big cities in Tx (Houston or Dallas?), Vegas, Seattle and Detroit.  That gets you 9 or 10 cities in the US, and I think they could draw well in each one.  Maybe find one more, somewhere in the heartland? Something centrally located?  Maybe do a couple shows in each?

If you want to stop, on the way, and do some theater shows....that would work.  The question is: Does that mean "carrying" a separate stage setup with you or can you create an arena setup that you can "scale down" for those shows.

[jarmo]

But you also drop other costs associated with the venue, setup, etc. So you're paying for labor to sit around, their per diem, and their lodging, which, admittedly, isn't cheap....but dropping "other stuff".  The question is: Can you make that work?   They seemed to only be doing 2 or 3 shows a week for the Latin American tour in 2014, or the EU tour in 2012.

You're also dropping income if you don't have shows during the week.

You have to remember the distances in South America. Transportation takes a little longer than in many other places.

The question is: Does that mean "carrying" a separate stage setup with you or can you create an arena setup that you can "scale down" for those shows

GN'R has already done that. For example in 2006 when they played London's Hammersmith Apollo as a surprise gig. And occasionally in certain arenas, you can't use all the production due to the venues' limits.



/jarmo

[pilferk]

You're also dropping income if you don't have shows during the week.

IF those smaller gigs are actually making money. You're dropping REVENUE, but is it enough to cover total costs? That's my hypothesis...that you might actually "lose" less money (and, in fact, turn more profit) by paying the labor and board costs, and not the rest of it, for the smaller market shows.  I have no idea if it's accurate or not.....just spit balling.

You have to remember the distances in South America. Transportation takes a little longer than in many other places.

Yup, I know.

But it doesn't change the fact that it "worked", right?  Which goes to the "just because you CAN do more shows in the US, because stuff is closer together, and the infrastructure is better in places, doesn't mean you SHOULD" thing.  If they could make money doing 2 or 3 shows a week in South America....I think they might be able to do the same in the US.

Economic scale comes into this, too, though, admittedly.  Some things tend to be less expensive in SA, too.

GN'R has already done that. For example in 2006 when they played London's Hammersmith Apollo as a surprise gig. And occasionally in certain arenas, you can't use all the production due to the venues' limits.
/jarmo

I suspected as much.....so there's a good answer on the stage.  I still wonder about cannibalization (ie: pulling people from one show to another, regionally)....I think that's their biggest hurdle. 

And if you CHANGE the type of show you do (arena vs small venue) you're doing...you also might get more "double dippers"...folks that would go see the arena show and then want to see the theater show, too. IDK...it would depend on how "different" they could make it.

[D-GenerationX]

And if you CHANGE the type of show you do (arena vs small venue) you're doing...you also might get more "double dippers"...folks that would go see the arena show and then want to see the theater show, too. IDK...it would depend on how "different" they could make it.

Not very much, based on the past few years.

When the Stones did this in 2002, hitting multiple size venues in the same city, the shows were vastly different.

[sky dog]

First costs I would cut is the pyro. Not only do you have to pay for the pyro (both for the actual product and insurance/liability), but you also have to prepare for it and coordinate it so that someone or something doesn't go up in flames! Plus, it is a bit cheesy at this point. Save your money for the strippers and for some bad ass visual production. 

The only pyrotechnics I want to hear or see are the sparks flying off one of the 14 guitar's being played on stage....