"Next Album" rumor / speculation thread *UPDATE AUG 22/2023*

[GNR2014]

On topic....Has it been spelled out yet whether recording has been finished for the next album?  Some members say Axl has two "finished" albums ready to go, while other members (DJ) keep saying they're sorting through tracks deciding what needs work blah, blah, blah. 

If the tracks just need proper mixing and mastering, we could foreseeably have the new album late winter/early spring.  If the plan is to do more recording......God only knows....

I'm afraid you might be setting yourself up for disappointment.
I would wait for the 1st tentative release date and then add about 2 years.

[jarmo]

On topic....Has it been spelled out yet whether recording has been finished for the next album?  Some members say Axl has two "finished" albums ready to go, while other members (DJ) keep saying they're sorting through tracks deciding what needs work blah, blah, blah. 

If the tracks just need proper mixing and mastering, we could foreseeably have the new album late winter/early spring.  If the plan is to do more recording......God only knows....

Axl's quote:

?We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out,? Rose says. ?We?ve worked more on some of those things and we?ve written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese. That?s already recorded. And then we have a remix album made of the songs from Chinese. That?s been done for a while, too. But after Vegas [Guns N? Roses is performing a residency at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino that runs through June 7], we?re going to start looking very seriously at what we?re doing in that regard.?



/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

On topic....Has it been spelled out yet whether recording has been finished for the next album?  Some members say Axl has two "finished" albums ready to go, while other members (DJ) keep saying they're sorting through tracks deciding what needs work blah, blah, blah. 

If the tracks just need proper mixing and mastering, we could foreseeably have the new album late winter/early spring.  If the plan is to do more recording......God only knows....

I'm afraid you might be setting yourself up for disappointment.
I would wait for the 1st tentative release date and then add about 2 years.

I'd usually be right there with you on this.

But I really tend to think if its going to happen, it will be soon.  As in within the next 6-9 months.  There seems to be serious intentions for the first time in years.

[sofine11]

On topic....Has it been spelled out yet whether recording has been finished for the next album?  Some members say Axl has two "finished" albums ready to go, while other members (DJ) keep saying they're sorting through tracks deciding what needs work blah, blah, blah. 

If the tracks just need proper mixing and mastering, we could foreseeably have the new album late winter/early spring.  If the plan is to do more recording......God only knows....

Axl's quote:

?We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out,? Rose says. ?We?ve worked more on some of those things and we?ve written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese. That?s already recorded. And then we have a remix album made of the songs from Chinese. That?s been done for a while, too. But after Vegas [Guns N? Roses is performing a residency at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino that runs through June 7], we?re going to start looking very seriously at what we?re doing in that regard.?



/jarmo

"That's already recorded."

I hope that means they're done recording for the album.  No offense to DJ, but I sincerely hope they're not holding off waiting for him to add to already completed tracks, if he hasn't already, that is.  Could throw a wrench into the album coming out sooner rather than later.

[Ginger King]

On topic....Has it been spelled out yet whether recording has been finished for the next album?  Some members say Axl has two "finished" albums ready to go, while other members (DJ) keep saying they're sorting through tracks deciding what needs work blah, blah, blah. 

If the tracks just need proper mixing and mastering, we could foreseeably have the new album late winter/early spring.  If the plan is to do more recording......God only knows....

Axl's quote:

?We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out,? Rose says. ?We?ve worked more on some of those things and we?ve written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese. That?s already recorded. And then we have a remix album made of the songs from Chinese. That?s been done for a while, too. But after Vegas [Guns N? Roses is performing a residency at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino that runs through June 7], we?re going to start looking very seriously at what we?re doing in that regard.?



/jarmo

"That's already recorded."

I hope that means they're done recording for the album.  No offense to DJ, but I sincerely hope they're not holding off waiting for him to add to already completed tracks, if he hasn't already, that is.  Could throw a wrench into the album coming out sooner rather than later.

Exactly.  That's why I'm not sure how to reconcile his comments with Richard's saying that Axl is laying the vocals.  Is it already recorded and done or not? 

[ice cream sand pig]

The link supplies was not titled "The complete list of artists vs record labels battles". It was somebody's personal Top Six. Just to prove to you that there are more examples.

So, do you believe me now? As you read, there are examples of record companies doing what you claim does not happen because that's not how you do business.

So what exactly do you know about that business and how it's done? Because I know very little and I would not tell somebody that something can not happen, unless I knew for damn sure. To act like you know something as a fact, when in reality you're as clueless as the rest of us, it just makes you look like a clueless wanna-be know-it-all. Or just plain ignorant. Ignorant enough not to care to find out more because you think you know.

Whatever the case may be, the fact is, record labels make stupid decisions. We know it, they know it. They refuse to put out albums to the left and right that makes no sense to anybody else. Maybe you're only arguing about this because in your mind it's just an excuse that's not valid, because it's used in the world of GN'R. Your "mission" seems to be to invalidate any possible reason for anything relating to GN'R. Even when you seem to have zero idea of the subject, you're there to tell everybody how that's not how things are done or how business works.

Well sorry to tell you, but business isn't always done according to your model. What can you do?
Just because something doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean it can't happen or didn't happen. It's life. Don't take it personally, not everything in life makes sense. You won't understand every reason or motive behind every decision in the GN'R world. Just because something doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean it's not a valid real reason. Because, at the end of the day, you're a fan. You're not in the band, management or record company personnel....

All largely stuff I'd accept.  Many vaild points here. (along with some nonsense...it ain't all gold)

This seems to come down to our usual battle of you giving Axl every single benefit of the doubt and absolution, and my not being as willing to join you on that.

DX, did you check out that article I posted a page or two back (bottom of the page)? Apparently record labels hold back the release of albums all the time for many different reasons. Not sure if this is still being debated but a million things can happen and Jarmo points out many possibilities, but for you it seems to always be one thing preventing things from going smoothly: Axl.

And while you could say that Jarmo always gives Axl the benefit of the doubt (which to me makes perfect sense because 1 he knows the guy and 2, he's likely his favorite artist of all time), you could say in your case it's generally always the same thing but the other way around. When in doubt, blame Axl.

"Exactly.  That's why I'm not sure how to reconcile his comments with Richard's saying that Axl is laying the vocals.  Is it already recorded and done or not? "-Ginger King

I was wondering if maybe he is currently recording vocals for a future release and not for the album they are planning to release soon?

[D-GenerationX]

And while you could say that Jarmo always gives Axl the benefit of the doubt (which to me makes perfect sense because 1 he knows the guy and 2, he's likely his favorite artist of all time), you could say in your case it's generally always the same thing but the other way around. When in doubt, blame Axl.

I've said this several times, but I absolutely believe it.

If you look at the few folks I butt heads with around here (and its literally only the same few, most here get along with me just fine) the big difference is that I have no interest in protecting Axl at all times.  That's not my job.  There is nothing in that for me.  To be honest, I don't see how there is anything in that for anyone other than Jarmo, but regardless, he has a few others that seem to operate the same way.  And hey, good for them.  Whatever floats their boat.

I'm not going to reflexively blame the rest of the world first, second, and third.  And if it ever even does come back to Axl, the most I can muster is "well, we don't know."  I have never operated that way, I will never operate that way.  I'm not here to kiss his ass.  He's a singer I like a lot.  He is far from infallible and certainly not above questioning.

So to make a long story short (too late), its not that I'm always looking to blame Axl.  I'm just posting at a site where even wondering if there are things he might do better or things he might do differently is considered disloyal fandom.  In that sort of set-up, anyone not nodding along happy as a clam at all times looks like a dissident.

The same posts I make here would make me a GNR apologist at every other GNR forum out there.  That's how alternate universe this place can be.

[jarmo]

Exactly.  That's why I'm not sure how to reconcile his comments with Richard's saying that Axl is laying the vocals.  Is it already recorded and done or not? 

It's possible that it was recorded. But when looking at the material and going back to it, Axl felt like he could add something to it.
Or just simply because there was an opportunity to do something, he took it.




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

Exactly.  That's why I'm not sure how to reconcile his comments with Richard's saying that Axl is laying the vocals.  Is it already recorded and done or not? 

It's possible that it was recorded. But when looking at the material and going back to it, Axl felt like he could add something to it.
Or just simply because there was an opportunity to do something, he took it.

And, let's face it, dude loves overdubs and layered vocals.  Even going back in the day.  There are almost always 2 vocal tracks going on songs.

Some of the CD leaks sound sort of naked, because there is only the one vocal track.  'Chinese Democracy' especially.

[ice cream sand pig]

And while you could say that Jarmo always gives Axl the benefit of the doubt (which to me makes perfect sense because 1 he knows the guy and 2, he's likely his favorite artist of all time), you could say in your case it's generally always the same thing but the other way around. When in doubt, blame Axl.

I've said this several times, but I absolutely believe it.

If you look at the few folks I butt heads with around here (and its literally only the same few, most here get along with me just fine) the big difference is that I have no interest in protecting Axl at all times.  That's not my job.  There is nothing in that for me.  To be honest, I don't see how there is anything in that for anyone other than Jarmo, but regardless, he has a few others that seem to operate the same way.  And hey, good for them.  Whatever floats their boat.

I'm not going to reflexively blame the rest of the world first, second, and third.  And if it ever even does come back to Axl, the most I can muster is "well, we don't know."  I have never operated that way, I will never operate that way.  I'm not here to kiss his ass.  He's a singer I like a lot.  He is far from infallible and certainly not above questioning.

So to make a long story short (too late), its not that I'm always looking to blame Axl.  I'm just posting at a site where even wondering if there are things he might do better or things he might do differently is considered disloyal fandom.  In that sort of set-up, anyone not nodding along happy as a clam at all times looks like a dissident.

The same posts I make here would make me a GNR apologist at every other GNR forum out there.  That's how alternate universe this place can be.

Well, OK man. I kind of understood that when I first came here. But at this point it's starting to seem to me like you have some kind of agenda to put the guy down. I mean you've basically been here every day claiming Axl is incompetent in one way or another for what, a year or so? But yeah, I'm not trying to get on your case or anything. I don't doubt you are a fan, you are obviously very interested in Guns and I bet you want the next album at least as much as I do. Do your thing man.

 

Exactly.  That's why I'm not sure how to reconcile his comments with Richard's saying that Axl is laying the vocals.  Is it already recorded and done or not? 

It's possible that it was recorded. But when looking at the material and going back to it, Axl felt like he could add something to it.
Or just simply because there was an opportunity to do something, he took it.

And, let's face it, dude loves overdubs and layered vocals.  Even going back in the day.  There are almost always 2 vocal tracks going on songs.

Some of the CD leaks sound sort of naked, because there is only the one vocal track.  'Chinese Democracy' especially.

Gotta love those overdubs! It's part of what I like about GNR. When you've got a vocal range as wide as Axl's it would be a shame not to show different ends of it off at once, at least sometimes.

[D-GenerationX]

DX, did you check out that article I posted a page or two back (bottom of the page)? Apparently record labels hold back the release of albums all the time for many different reasons. Not sure if this is still being debated but a million things can happen and Jarmo points out many possibilities, but for you it seems to always be one thing preventing things from going smoothly: Axl.

Didn't mean to skip this.  Did read it the piece.

Ultimately, I put more of this on Axl than I do the label.  This is not always popular around here.  I find Axl to be an incredibly difficult human being.  Also not popular around here, sometimes.  He sees self rationalized value in temper tantrums and freeze outs.  I do not share that rationale.

I don't think comparisons to other artists always work, because they don't operate that way.  Most artists, even if pissed, still recognize that nothing is gained just being pissed.  Things never progress.  Axl does seem to see value in that.  And in a total stroke of genius, has convinced most of his hardestcore fans that its all very noble.

Its really the same argument that I used against the reunion people for years.  They'd give me The Eagles.  They'd give me Van Halen.  They'd insist that you can never say never.  I reject that.  You can say "never" with GNR, because only GNR has an Axl Rose to deal with.  Eddie and David Lee don't even like each other.    They put that aside for business.  Axl is never doing this.  So comparisons to other bands has always fallen flat, to me.

[sofine11]

Exactly.  That's why I'm not sure how to reconcile his comments with Richard's saying that Axl is laying the vocals.  Is it already recorded and done or not? 

It's possible that it was recorded. But when looking at the material and going back to it, Axl felt like he could add something to it.
Or just simply because there was an opportunity to do something, he took it.




/jarmo

Even if Axl was recording vocals in November, as Richard stated, it's certainly a positive as it shows that there's real intent to release what's 'in the can', instead of continuing to hoard it.  He might be adding some vocal bits to for the next album, or even just messing around in the studio for what could possibly be a subsequent release.  Either way, good for Axl.

[D-GenerationX]

Well, OK man. I kind of understood that when I first came here. But at this point it's starting to seem to me like you have some kind of agenda to put the guy down. I mean you've basically been here every day claiming Axl is incompetent in one way or another for what, a year or so?

I question the logic of some of his moves.  Never once claiming I was an expert and had all the answers, because that's just strawman bullshit.

Its not that I consider myself some expert, I just look at the results he's gotten doing things his way.  I see less than optimum results.  And tend to reject that everything he does is right because that's how he wants to do it.  I don't discount there may be some personal value for him doing things his way, but life is a results business.  And some of his results haven't been stellar.

But yeah, I'm not trying to get on your case or anything. I don't doubt you are a fan, you are obviously very interested in Guns and I bet you want the next album at least as much as I do. Do your thing man.

No worries, my friend.  Just fans talking.

[D-GenerationX]

Even if Axl was recording vocals in November, as Richard stated, it's certainly a positive as it shows that there's real intent to release what's 'in the can', instead of continuing to hoard it.  He might be adding some vocal bits to for the next album, or even just messing around in the studio for what could possibly be a subsequent release.  Either way, good for Axl.

BIG TIME

No way was that not good news.  I was glad Jarmo posted that thing.  Its was a reassuring watch.

[sofine11]

Even if Axl was recording vocals in November, as Richard stated, it's certainly a positive as it shows that there's real intent to release what's 'in the can', instead of continuing to hoard it.  He might be adding some vocal bits to for the next album, or even just messing around in the studio for what could possibly be a subsequent release.  Either way, good for Axl.

BIG TIME

No way was that not good news.  I was glad Jarmo posted that thing.  Its was a reassuring watch.

Also exciting the hear that his favorite unreleased  track is another Robin track, ala Better.  I'm hoping Robin (and Bucket) are both on a decent amount of the hopefully soon-to-be-released material.

[jarmo]

I question the logic of some of his moves.  Never once claiming I was an expert and had all the answers, because that's just strawman bullshit.

You question the logic, but when offered reasons you dismiss them with lines such as "that's not how things work" or something similar.
If you don't think you're an expert, why would you make claims like that about things you know very little about?

Maybe if you didn't dismiss everything with know-it-all lines like "that's not how it works", people wouldn't get that impression of you. 




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

I question the logic of some of his moves.  Never once claiming I was an expert and had all the answers, because that's just strawman bullshit.

You question the logic, but when offered reasons you dismiss them with lines such as "that's not how things work" or something similar.
If you don't think you're an expert, why would you make claims like that about things you know very little about?

For spite.

I'd also consider waiting over 4 full years after the label cut off funding to release the album a poor move.  He lost momentum and his band along the way.  Not an awesome outcome, in my view.

Obviosuly can't guarantee things would have gone swimmingly, but I did see how they went releasing it in 2008.  Is that considered a best case scenario?  Not to me.

[TheBaconman]

I question the logic of some of his moves.  Never once claiming I was an expert and had all the answers, because that's just strawman bullshit.

You question the logic, but when offered reasons you dismiss them with lines such as "that's not how things work" or something similar.
If you don't think you're an expert, why would you make claims like that about things you know very little about?

For spite.

I'd also consider waiting over 4 full years after the label cut off funding to release the album a poor move.  He lost momentum and his band along the way.  Not an awesome outcome, in my view.

Obviosuly can't guarantee things would have gone swimmingly, but I did see how they went releasing it in 2008.  Is that considered a best case scenario?  Not to me.

I think these 2 year contracts that Axl had with, Robin and Bucket expiring is what killed that version of the band.  Robin seemed to bail at the end of each one, then finally not coming back.  Bucket left after the first.   MB if they would of had longer contracts they would still be around.   Silly I know, would be like forcing them to stay, but it would of worked

[D-GenerationX]

I think these 2 year contracts that Axl had with, Robin and Bucket expiring is what killed that version of the band.  Robin seemed to bail at the end of each one, then finally not coming back.  Bucket left after the first.   MB if they would of had longer contracts they would still be around.   Silly I know, would be like forcing them to stay, but it would of worked

Could be.  Though perhaps you could make the argument these guys wouldn't be always looking to bail if they didn't spend so much time doing nothing.

Can you make the argument that Axl would have been better served getting the album out in 2006?  He was in phenomenal shape, both physically and vocally.  His band was pretty tight.  Would you rather have a top shelf Axl with Robin-Richard-Ron-Tommy-Dizzy-Brain...or a lesser Axl both physically and vocally, and band of DJ-Richard-Ron-Tommy-Dizzy-Frank?   

You can't turn back time, and this is all obviously conjecture.  But is even wondering that aloud some horrible crime?  Well, depends who you ask.

[TheBaconman]

I think these 2 year contracts that Axl had with, Robin and Bucket expiring is what killed that version of the band.  Robin seemed to bail at the end of each one, then finally not coming back.  Bucket left after the first.   MB if they would of had longer contracts they would still be around.   Silly I know, would be like forcing them to stay, but it would of worked

Could be.  Though perhaps you could make the argument these guys wouldn't be always looking to bail if they didn't spend so much time doing nothing.

Can you make the argument that Axl would have been better served getting the album out in 2006?  He was in phenomenal shape, both physically and vocally.  His band was pretty tight.  Would you rather have a top shelf Axl with Robin-Richard-Ron-Tommy-Dizzy-Brain...or a lesser Axl both physically and vocally, and band of DJ-Richard-Ron-Tommy-Dizzy-Frank?   

You can't turn back time, and this is all obviously conjecture.  But is even wondering that aloud some horrible crime?  Well, depends who you ask.

Well you have made the argument pretty well that they would of been better off releasing the album in 2006, so you don't need me making one.

But I will say this as an argument why it was good they never did release the album in 2006.  Axl/the band couldn't even finish a tour in 2006.  They only banged out a few shows actually, with one riot.  Even though by the time they got to New York, the band was on fire...   Great, sound, very tight playing...   But that was it...  To me, Axls head just wasn't in it.  And if people use the excuse "the album will come out when Axl is ready", well tours happened/stop when ultimately Axl says so.   Sure there is always more to it...   But ultimately it all comes down to him

With the above just said.  How could they possibly release anything when he cant even do a proper tour?  We complain about the lack of promotion from the label and axl when the release actually came out, but how would of it been in 2006?   Even worse I think!  Not the recipe for success

Personally....   I would of loved to see the album come out back in 2001, once Buckethead added his parts and wrote some new songs..  It was done!!   Then, the label sent in some goofy producers the re-recorded everything....  Just stupid..   

You ask why the artists and musicians left over the years.  If I was a artist and I had what I thought was a finished product and other people thought it wasn't good enough, I would be pretty pissed as well.  A good argument could be made that the labels involvement in the recording and producing process of the album was a big cause for the exodus of members leaving