"Next Album" rumor / speculation thread *UPDATE AUG 22/2023*

[norway]

shows the record company had a particular view on a new gn'r record.

So the RC don't wanna relase Axl's music and Axl don't wanna release RC's music. Right?

Who is holding back Axl-music then?

[mortismurphy]

shows the record company had a particular view on a new gn'r record.

So the RC don't wanna relase Axl's music and Axl don't wanna release RC's music. Right?

Who is holding back Axl-music then?

I do not follow. The record company did want to release Axl's music, is my point.

[ice cream sand pig]

I am sorry, Jarmo, I am independent brain, only interested in facts, and not a zombified propagandising zealot

"Always nice to see people like yourself resort to personal insults when you can't just stick to your so called facts.
I guess you're not confident enough in your facts..... Otherwise you wouldn't have to use the insults to try to prove your point now would you?"-Jarmo

Seriously, this. The good old "anyone that doesn't agree with me is some sick blind worshiper". For fuck's sake, nobody worships Axl rose. All things considered the dude has done a great job making GNR magic so far. Based off of that track record I give him a certain amount of credit. You know what I don't approve of? Ball sack turkey necks. I blame the recent appearance of this issue on Buckethead's dirty chicken coop dog shit porn influences making their way onto CD and subconsciously seeping into Axl's mind.

That's interesting that the record company showed so little interest in marketing the album. I intuitively think they would want to promote the album in order to increase their own profits. I'm also curious why Axl didn't sue the fuckers if they were giving him such a hard time.

Stardust, you made a great point. Every album released by the label from the current line up decreases the probability of them ever releasing another album from a possible reunited original line up. That's an interesting detail I haven't noticed yet.  

[norway]

shows the record company had a particular view on a new gn'r record.

So the RC don't wanna relase Axl's music and Axl don't wanna release RC's music. Right?

Who is holding back Axl-music then?

Not that RC's don't do work on music that makes it better! Take Too Fast For Love with Motley Crue:

 Bands version vs company version.

The remix and mastering the RC-associates did made it sound much better, imo.

The point is that it is probably not Axl's 'alleged lack of creativity' that holds back music.

[TheBaconman]

I don't understand where this reunion talk is coming from.  People that are saying that the label is / are trying to influence a reunion truly do not understand the current buisness model that is gun n roses.   I admit I do not know the most of it myself but am trying to learn

The band and partnership that featured slash and duff broke up around 1995.    Axl created a new band still under the name guns n roses.  He then had full control over all gnr buisness.  If slash and duff would of stuck around there would I been no partnership they would of been on a salary    Paid monthly for recording with the opportunity for a big pay day with writing credits.   The exact same deal that all the musicians and artists had durring the recording process of CD.  Buckethead, robin.  Etc....  
Now for a true reunion to happen Axl would have to close down what is now Guns n roses.  And restart a partnership with the previous members.  Thus giving up everything he has fought for all these years.   It would make no sense for him to do it.  And it would also make no sence for the other memebers to come back if there wasn't a true partnership and they were on a salary.  
Regardless in dosnt benifit the label at all  

Another point I am thinking of is these writing credits on a CD.  It is reported that the artisits / musicians that help write CD were on a salary durring the recording process.  With a lot of promise given to big pay once the album was released due to there writing credits.    The salary was reported at 11000 per guy per month and I am sure they made a ton of money each once the album sold millions.   My question is.  Why isn't there more pressure from these memebes.  Both past and present to get this album out ASAP.   If I was tommy or brain or buckethead or robin or who ever that is supposed to have a strong writing presence on the next album I would be pizsed that the record isnt out yet as I would be missing out on a huge pay day.    I would be doing everything possible to try and get it out so I could get paid    Getting your name on some writing credits on an album that sells millions is like winning the lottery for an artisit.  Major money

[mortismurphy]

I don't understand where this reunion talk is coming from.  People that are saying that the label is / are trying to influence a reunion truly do not understand the current buisness model that is gun n roses.   I admit I do not know the most of it myself but am trying to learn

The band and partnership that featured slash and duff broke up around 1995.    Axl created a new band still under the name guns n roses.  He then had full control over all gnr buisness.  If slash and duff would of stuck around there would I been no partnership they would of been on a salary    Paid monthly for recording with the opportunity for a big pay day with writing credits.   The exact same deal that all the musicians and artists had durring the recording process of CD.  Buckethead, robin.  Etc....  
Now for a true reunion to happen Axl would have to close down what is now Guns n roses.  And restart a partnership with the previous members.  Thus giving up everything he has fought for all these years.   It would make no sense for him to do it.  And it would also make no sence for the other memebers to come back if there wasn't a true partnership and they were on a salary.  
Regardless in dosnt benifit the label at all  

Another point I am thinking of is these writing credits on a CD.  It is reported that the artisits / musicians that help write CD were on a salary durring the recording process.  With a lot of promise given to big pay once the album was released due to there writing credits.    The salary was reported at 11000 per guy per month and I am sure they made a ton of money each once the album sold millions.   My question is.  Why isn't there more pressure from these memebes.  Both past and present to get this album out ASAP.   If I was tommy or brain or buckethead or robin or who ever that is supposed to have a strong writing presence on the next album I would be pizsed that the record isnt out yet as I would be missing out on a huge pay day.    I would be doing everything possible to try and get it out so I could get paid    Getting your name on some writing credits on an album that sells millions is like winning the lottery for an artisit.  Major money

Finally, somebody who understands how the music industry works! We have had managers as stooges of the record label here!

Also, may I add that all of the ex-members have been - still are - signed to different labels and have their own project. For Interscope to deliberately want to sabotage CD, to engineer a reunion, they must have had some, fairy tale bizarre scenario, of these four-or-so ex-members ending their own projects and amicably folding their relationship with their respective labels at approximately the same time. Need I remind you that much of this period (2002-2008) coincides with Velvet Revolver, an 'arena status' rock band whose debut went double platinum - I can just see it now, RCA to Slash and Duff: ''Yes, we are quite happy to sell you to Interscope; go off and enjoy a reunion with your old buddy''.

[LIGuns]

Now for a true reunion to happen Axl would have to close down what is now Guns n roses.  And restart a partnership with the previous members.  Thus giving up everything he has fought for all these years.   It would make no sense for him to do it.  And it would also make no sence for the other memebers to come back if there wasn't a true partnership and they were
. Need I remind you that much of this period (2002-2008) coincides with Velvet Revolver, an 'arena status' rock band whose debut went double platinum -

Some good points..But the payday for a Reunion would have been huge...I'm sure all would have been compensated fairly..Back in the 1990's when KISS Reunited Paul and Gene made more...But I'm happy with this lineup, so no need for a reunion...

[TheBaconman]

Now for a true reunion to happen Axl would have to close down what is now Guns n roses.  And restart a partnership with the previous members.  Thus giving up everything he has fought for all these years.   It would make no sense for him to do it.  And it would also make no sence for the other memebers to come back if there wasn't a true partnership and they were
. Need I remind you that much of this period (2002-2008) coincides with Velvet Revolver, an 'arena status' rock band whose debut went double platinum -

Some good points..But the payday for a Reunion would have been huge...I'm sure all would have been compensated fairly..Back in the 1990's when KISS Reunited Paul and Gene made more...But I'm happy with this lineup, so no need for a reunion...

I don't want to turn this thread in the direction of reunion talk.  I was just scratching my head at a few posts on here by people who obviously havnt put much thought into there post   There is so much information on guns n roses out there   And a ton on the recording process of CD. Not all of it one sided.   I don't really consider sides rather just opionions and facts stated by people.  There isnt a lot from axl himself for whatever ever reasons he has.   But just because there isn't dosnt make what other people say wrong.  You just have to Remeber that.   Also people seem to think that spending tons of money on recording s album and spending lots of time in the studio or not even showing up to the studio is a bad thing.   Like it's there time or money some how.  Or even if it was that it is just wrong to do that.   Why is that?   Label have been known to rip artists off from the dawn of time and they have tons and tons of money
Just one last comment on this reunion garbage.  As I stated in a post way back on here.   The only way it only looks sense to me would be in the form of a live concert reunion and not a album recording reunion.  With a live concert reunion you wouldn't have to blow up the current guns n roses buisness model and could equally pay all the muscians for there performances based off of promoters or area a gates
As you wanted to compare them to kiss in the 90s.  Remeber that reunion was just for concerts as well.  For albums released around this period.  Gean and Paul used studio muscians

[Sosso]

Their are so many bands with a own record label. I don't see a reason why GN'R shouldn't do the same.

[jarmo]

I see you have ignored my comment about Buckethead. Presumably the voice of GN'R members ceases to be relevant when they become, ex-members and cease to act like Stepford Wives.

For a person who's open minded and reads everything, you also forgot what Axl said about it....

There is a lot also that is being omitted by yourself in this discussion, namely, the small matter of an estimated $13 million (possibly higher). It is a very strange policy, to throw $13 million into something you want to frustrate - very strange indeed.

Those are your words, not mine.
They were involved up to a point, and then decided not to be involved.


The good news is that the Blu-ray came out on the same record label.



/jarmo

[sky dog]

I believe the label was involved financially up until around 2004...which coincides with the Greatest Hits lawsuit. Obviously, not 100% certain on this but it is an educated guess.

[D-GenerationX]

That Interscope somehow, upset, Axl's album(s) is absolute garbage. It is a will o the wisp pursued by ardent admirers, desperate to defend Axl's lack of creative output. The truth is Interscope bent over backwards to provide a level of cash injection, completely unprecedented in music history. They paid for a plethora of topflight producers, Bob Ezrin, Roy Thomas Baker. They allowed a running tab at the Complex. They were willing to pay for a sum, in excess of $15 million, for a 'GN'R' album which did not contain Slash (sorry to bring this up, but that was and still is a sticking point for many). Few artists have ever been so financially and emotionally more supported than Axl Rose.

All correct, easily provable.

[D-GenerationX]

Terrible analogy - looking for needles in a haystack to try and justify Axl's lack of creative drive.

There's no fucking analogy. When will you and your kind get it? Trying to paint a picture for you with big brush strokes since you can't seem to see that there's a picture to be seen.
Duff had an album ready, yet we couldn't go buy it. Is it because of him? No.

Its because no one cared.  Let's just say what it is.  The world wasn't hanging on a Duff McKagan solo album.  In 1999.

Stop it with that.

[D-GenerationX]

How about the fact that Axl launched a counter suit against Azoff for allegedly deliberately damaging the release of chinese, an action alleged to have come about because axl wasn't open to considering a return of slash?

True, but Axl Rose is a not a super barometer of realistic lawsuits.

Look at the one with Activision we only talked about around here until it didn't go his way.  I know we pretend it didn't happen from that point on, but the reality is that it was an incredibly flawed document that was a colossal waste of his money.

[D-GenerationX]

There is little doubt that the relationship between Axl and Geffen-Interscope was - perhaps, still is - turbulent, and here we have New GN'R (Axl and Stinson's) side. Conversely, we have the fact that Interscope plunged approx. $15 million of their cash into a record that never seemed to surface, and that, Axl missed every deadline put to him! We also have Axl's colossal hissy fit when Interscope finally dropped the record, refusing to promote it.

There are two sides to every story.

- Duff was an artist who finished an album but was dropped due to the late-90s industry mergers.

- Axl was an artist who did not finish an album and was supported (financially) after the late-90s industry mergers.

- Duff seemed to recover from his poor record label relations, subsequently releasing six albums (in various entities) on different labels

- Axl still is on the, one, album (the option is there for him also, to switch labels?)

Just why are you citing Duff then? Analogy, example, what ever your motivation was, their circumstances have no similarity whatsoever.

Misdirection.

Anything and everything to avoid having to say Axl might have messed up.  Not a new tactic.

[D-GenerationX]

And for some magical reason, you chose to believe the side that's not the band you're claiming to be  a fan of.

Did you even read what he said? It seems like he explained himself. I guess in your perfect world, Axl should've just promoted the album without any involvement from the record company... That makes sense.

Well, he sure showed everybody by not doing it.  Last laugh was had by him, no doubt.

It's only his own career.  And the career of guys that signed on with him for the better part of a decade.  Why should that matter though, right?

[jarmo]

Yet, you failed to get it. Artists have issues with record companies. Please, please tell us you're not arguing about that.



/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

Ummm, if he was gonna say it's only ready once the record company provided a marketing plan, we might still be waiting. 

If he picks up the phone and calls 'Rolling Stone', he doesn't get an interview?  Preposterous.  They probably put him on the fucking cover.

But hey, without a "marketing plan" Powerpoint presentation from the label, who could figure any of that out?

[D-GenerationX]

If you took into account what Tommy said, or what Axl himself said, you'd see that the so called tinkering wasn't necessarily Axl's "evil master plan". Axl himself talked about releasing the album on multiple occasions before it came out. Nowhere did he say he needed a few more years to finish it.

Countless accounts of people sitting in a studio for a guy that never showed up. 

Missed deadlines, wasted time, squandered money.  None of these were evil label decisions.  Use your noggin.

[D-GenerationX]

shows the record company had a particular view on a new gn'r record.

So the RC don't wanna relase Axl's music and Axl don't wanna release RC's music. Right?

Who is holding back Axl-music then?

Duff's dropped solo album.  Axl is holding his back in solidarity.