"Next Album" rumor / speculation thread *UPDATE AUG 22/2023*

[Ginger King]

Hmm, maybe with their latest album but do not under-estimate Black Ice. It out performed Chinese Democracy and opened up, AC/DC, to legions of new fans in 2008. I would be surprised if one or two songs are not, now, permanent staples (this upcoming tour will tell us).

Walmart did a better job than Best Buy.

/jarmo

This sums you up, nicely.  Whenever something is wrong, it's somebody else's fault.  Can't be the band.  Ever.

One can also argue the AC/DC did a better job promoting their album than Guns n Roses.  Even Axl admitted mistakes were made, yet to you that can only mean mistakes were made by someone else.

[Mysteron]

Hmm, maybe with their latest album but do not under-estimate Black Ice. It out performed Chinese Democracy and opened up, AC/DC, to legions of new fans in 2008. I would be surprised if one or two songs are not, now, permanent staples (this upcoming tour will tell us).

Walmart did a better job than Best Buy.

/jarmo

This sums you up, nicely.  Whenever something is wrong, it's somebody else's fault.  Can't be the band.  Ever.

One can also argue the AC/DC did a better job promoting their album than Guns n Roses.  Even Axl admitted mistakes were made, yet to you that can only mean mistakes were made by someone else.

To be fair, mistakes are usually made by other people. But only in hindsight

All the managers GN'R have had up until, and including, Merck, and then the current troupe, have had Axl in mind and have acted in what they thought was the best manner at the time. I know Axl may not think this, but it is true. You cannot blame a teacher sometimes for the class they have.

I have to add though, that at the same time, Axl is responsible for GN'R, and it is up to him to do what is best for the band.

[pilferk]

Hmm, maybe with their latest album but do not under-estimate Black Ice. It out performed Chinese Democracy and opened up, AC/DC, to legions of new fans in 2008. I would be surprised if one or two songs are not, now, permanent staples (this upcoming tour will tell us).

Walmart did a better job than Best Buy.

/jarmo

This sums you up, nicely.  Whenever something is wrong, it's somebody else's fault.  Can't be the band.  Ever.

One can also argue the AC/DC did a better job promoting their album than Guns n Roses.  Even Axl admitted mistakes were made, yet to you that can only mean mistakes were made by someone else.

I know you're using this as sarcasm.....but he's not wrong. All things considered, it hard to argue that walmart didnt't do a better job.

They most assuredly did, by any objective measure. Was that the only reason? Prolly not...but it didnt hurt (or did, in the case of gnr).

Theres lots of blame to go around, here. Axl surely bares a share...but i dont think you can lay it all at his feet, either. Not if you are being honest....

But we've covered this before.....feel like i am being spun right round, baby, right round.

[jarmo]

This sums you up, nicely.  Whenever something is wrong, it's somebody else's fault.  Can't be the band.  Ever.

One can also argue the AC/DC did a better job promoting their album than Guns n Roses.  Even Axl admitted mistakes were made, yet to you that can only mean mistakes were made by someone else.

Hahaha. I pointed out ONE aspect of the equation.
Only that.



/jarmo

[mortismurphy]

No, but a disaster. And since you're blaming management for tours, that's on them. You know, you can't blame one and then not blame the other.
Doesn't work like that!

2002 ended in disaster because of Axl's mental fragility: the late starts, no shows and riots. I am not sure how culpable the management were, in not sustaining Axl's mental state of mind. Axl was simply crazy on that tour.

You have misread me but to continue with your misinterpretation

I did not misread you. You made a claim that tours are in support of new albums. I made a comment that it's not always the case. Some tours are just booked around a theme. Not a new album.

And that is what I do not agree with, at least with, 2015, Guns N' Roses, and their cyclic trips back and forth between Brazil and Vegas.

Hmm, maybe with their latest album but do not under-estimate Black Ice. It out performed Chinese Democracy and opened up, AC/DC, to legions of new fans in 2008. I would be surprised if one or two songs are not, now, permanent staples (this upcoming tour will tell us).

Walmart did a better job than Best Buy.

True. And also, AC/DC did a better job than Guns N' Roses. Black Ice is an excellent record whereas, CD is a deeply flawed creation.

The whole point all along has been that the old album - tour cycle is dead.
There's no guarantees that a new album will mean more ticket sales or that a tour means more album sales. Also, the fact that a majority of the crowd at each show is less hardcore than us here plays into the setlist equation. They're not online reading about what songs didn't get played the show before.

There's no hypocrisy. I think Axl knows best what he wants to sing. If he thinks he shouldn't play unreleased songs on tour in 2014, he won't. Simple.
They've done both. Played (then) unreleased songs at shows and not played them. I've enjoyed both.

You can't go see a show and think "Man I'll be bummed if they don't play a song I don't know tonight". Makes no sense to me....

There is simply too many bands who maintain the album-touring cycle for your argument to make sense: Neil Young; Slash; Motorhead; Springsteen all maintain it vigorously, as do, to a lesser degree, Kiss and AC/DC. There are albums coming out all of the time. Outside jaded hair bands, only Metallica, The Stones and of course, Axl, seem to have, temporally at least, resigned themselves from it. I do not agree with you in the slightest here. Even, hypothetical scenario, albums finish, that should not mean bands should cease to anchor tours around new material. As Bumblefoot said, 'why don't Guns release one song every few months', via the new medium of the internet?

[jarmo]

2002 ended in disaster because of

No no. You blame management for booking tours you don't agree with. So.... Don't start changing the subject.
Especially shit you just assume you know.

Edited to add: We have a very low tolerance for slander.

And that is what I do not agree with, at least with, 2015, Guns N' Roses, and their cyclic trips back and forth between Brazil and Vegas.

Yet the question remains. Are you aware of bands or artists who tour WITHOUT putting a new album out? Yes/No?

True. And also, AC/DC did a better job than Guns N' Roses..

Don't forget their record company!

Black Ice is an excellent record whereas, CD is a deeply flawed creation.

Arguing about musical preferences? I liked the album when it was called Back In Black. 

There is simply too many bands who maintain the album-touring cycle for your argument to make sense: Neil Young; Slash; Motorhead; Springsteen all maintain it vigorously, as do, to a lesser degree, Kiss and AC/DC. There are albums coming out all of the time. Outside jaded hair bands, only Metallica, The Stones and of course, Axl, seem to have, temporally at least, resigned themselves from it. I do not agree with you in the slightest here. Even, hypothetical scenario, albums finish, that should not mean bands should cease to anchor tours around new material.

I saw Depeche Mode on a greatest hits tour back in 1998. Iron Maiden has done tours based on old tours. Then you got reunion tours.

Artist still put out music on CDs. Because that's how it's been done for the last decades. But it doesn't mean it's the only way. Just like putting out an album to tour isn't the only way to tour.

Bands often start playing shows before they have even a record out. How is that promoting an album? They're promoting themselves. So because you got a record out, that part becomes pointless? Or making money by playing shows means the shows are pointless? No!

There's always a point. Just because you don't get it doesn't mean it's not there.

As Bumblefoot said, 'why don't Guns release one song every few months', via the new medium of the internet?

Maybe that's a question for Universal Music.



By the way, did you understand my explanation about why you can't really compare the South American tours to each other make sense?
How about the part about the new songs in 2006 or not?

I didn't see you respond to any of that so maybe you missed it.



/jarmo

[damnthehaters]

Explain to me how Chinese was NOT successful? 

It flopped in North America. I do not like it anymore than you do but you cannot argue with facts, and, when you have a new release being sold for $1, within days of its release, you know the album has sold poorly.

It went to #2 or #3 on the rock charts and moved something like 350k units after first report.  In a day where people don't buy albums, this was damn good.  99% of other bands would love to have an album sell like that.  Like I've mentioned before on here, I believe that those who believe that Chinese was a fail, are people who can't get out of the past and expected chinese to be the next Appetite.  Wasn't gonna happen 

"It flopped" isn't supporting your statement.  That's just your opinion for some reason.  Again, probably because you thought it was 1991 and that people should be lining up outside the stores to buy the album.  So where are your "facts"?

You just recently mentioned how Black Ice outdid Chinese and how great of an album that was.  I believe Black Ice was number one when it came out, right ahead of Chinese.  So that's the difference between #1 and #2??  #1 is a great album, and #2 is a huge flop???  Again...I think you had some loopy expectations for Chinese which now causes you to say that it was a flop. 

Also, why don't you explain yourself when saying Chinese was selling for $1 soon afterwards?  Jarmo responded to this, and I don't think you replied. 

[Mysteron]

Explain to me how Chinese was NOT successful? 

It flopped in North America. I do not like it anymore than you do but you cannot argue with facts, and, when you have a new release being sold for $1, within days of its release, you know the album has sold poorly.

It went to #3 on the rock charts and moved something like 350k units after first report.  In a day where people don't buy albums, this was damn good.  99% of other bands would love to have an album sell like that.  Like I've mentioned before on here, I believe that those who believe that Chinese was a fail, are people who can't get out of the past and expected chinese to be the next Appetite.  Wasn't gonna happen 

The failure of CD partly falls on us. We are the fans that everyone looks upon. We are the people that represent the people who like the band

When people do reviews, they look at the general opinions of the forums.

If you imagine all the forums, it has forever been a complicated picture. Not forever positive to the outside world.

[damnthehaters]

Explain to me how Chinese was NOT successful? 

It flopped in North America. I do not like it anymore than you do but you cannot argue with facts, and, when you have a new release being sold for $1, within days of its release, you know the album has sold poorly.

It went to #3 on the rock charts and moved something like 350k units after first report.  In a day where people don't buy albums, this was damn good.  99% of other bands would love to have an album sell like that.  Like I've mentioned before on here, I believe that those who believe that Chinese was a fail, are people who can't get out of the past and expected chinese to be the next Appetite.  Wasn't gonna happen 

The failure of CD partly falls on us

Yes, that's the way I see it.  It was only a fail to these who had impossible expectations. 

[jarmo]

The failure of CD partly falls on us

Yet some seem to take pride in it.

Just like pointing out that "shows didn't sell out".
Some fans are quick to point out how GN'R has an alleged track record of canceling shows. Then they are also quick to point out how the show didn't sell out or how they wish there was a recording of it.
Now here we are again with people pointing out what a failure the last album was and expecting/waiting for the next album.

Weird way to be supportive....

I was more making the point they didn't look at us with such condescension and annoyance.  Face it, TB do.

Who has ever come out on the winning end of picking fights with your own fans?  Its a losing proposition.

Just saw this now. Wow!

I don't know how many fans I've met who felt the way you express here. Close to zero.
It's once again yet another "poor me" thing.

They don't dislike fans, they didn't pick fights with fans. Maybe they dislike a few assholes? So what?

You're making a generalization because YOU feel targeted. Most others here do not. Just because we're fans of the same band, doesn't mean we're all in the same boat. People feel that way because they think it's their right to attack the band as much as they want. Yet, what happens when somebody speaks up? What you just did there. "They hate the fans".

It's ok for you to be disrespectful towards them but you demand them to be respectful and nice to you? That's not always how business works!
In most cases, people get treated the way they deserve. Simple as that.

When Axl talked about the Internet being a big garbage can, I did not feel targeted. And yes, I was running this site back then too.
When he dedicated It's So Easy with the words "I'd like to dedicate this song to all the fucking haters that are pissed off that the tour is going so well", he wasn't talking about all the fans either. 





/jarmo

[TheBaconman]

I saw that. Good tour. Exact same setlist as previous years though and there were absent rows in front of me. I think TB have killed off Axl's markets.

It wasn't the same. Estranged performed in 2012 alone makes it different! You change one thing and it's not the same anymore. That's the meaning of same.
At least they didn't tour in Europe since 2012 so you didn't have to go....  




/jarmo

They would certainly take a reduction in ticket sales if they did as TB have destroyed their markets. North America is now a no go area unless they play in a casino with a bunch of glitter balls. Such is the way, greatness, sinks!

Ridiculous to say that TB destroyed their markets. Many cities in the US only played once or even not at all. Cities played more than once typically had up close and personal. 

Because the markets are destroyed due to over-playing. The 'UCAP' is spin of the highest order.

Can you answer me this? Could Guns play a North American arena tour, and for it to sell reasonably well?

I fear the answer is, no. The reason is, TB have flooded the market with a moribund show. They have destroyed Axl's North American fan base. All you are left with is Vegas and Brazil. TB are perhaps the most incompetent management in the industry.

Guns could do a coast to coast tour of Canada and come close to selling out arenas in every province
I am sure guns could do very well with a few major concerts in Mexico as well

Both those countries are part of North America, so to answer your question I think they would do just fine.   If they picked there spots

Now do I think they could tour coast to coast in the United States and come close to selling out arenas?.

Not a chance.   I blame the American fan base for more of this than anything though

I do think guns could pick there spots around the states and come close to selling out arena if not selling them out.  New York, la, Texas....

Las Vegas is having a huge rock in USA concert in May.   Put on by the same people that put on rock in rio.   Why isn't guns playing this show?

Can you please give it a rest with ur hatred of America... We get it...

The US Gnr fanbase, (the home fanbase of GNR btw, this is an American band) is the least accepting of GNR without Slash. Just the way it is... stop crying about it.


Many years ago I posted I thought GNR were playing too many places in the USA... places that were very remote... Albany, some places in the South etc etc ... I got blasted for it ... told I should be thankful they are playing at all ... but my point at the time was I was concerned that they wouldn't sell well and cause the band to gain negative press for it

I have zero hatred for the united states

I also have zero respect for the majority of music fans in the united statss

[TheBaconman]

No, but a disaster. And since you're blaming management for tours, that's on them. You know, you can't blame one and then not blame the other.
Doesn't work like that!

2002 ended in disaster because of Axl's mental fragility: the late starts, no shows and riots. I am not sure how culpable the management were, in not sustaining Axl's mental state of mind. Axl was simply crazy on that tour.

You have misread me but to continue with your misinterpretation

I did not misread you. You made a claim that tours are in support of new albums. I made a comment that it's not always the case. Some tours are just booked around a theme. Not a new album.

And that is what I do not agree with, at least with, 2015, Guns N' Roses, and their cyclic trips back and forth between Brazil and Vegas.

Hmm, maybe with their latest album but do not under-estimate Black Ice. It out performed Chinese Democracy and opened up, AC/DC, to legions of new fans in 2008. I would be surprised if one or two songs are not, now, permanent staples (this upcoming tour will tell us).

Walmart did a better job than Best Buy.

True. And also, AC/DC did a better job than Guns N' Roses. Black Ice is an excellent record whereas, CD is a deeply flawed creation.

The whole point all along has been that the old album - tour cycle is dead.
There's no guarantees that a new album will mean more ticket sales or that a tour means more album sales. Also, the fact that a majority of the crowd at each show is less hardcore than us here plays into the setlist equation. They're not online reading about what songs didn't get played the show before.

There's no hypocrisy. I think Axl knows best what he wants to sing. If he thinks he shouldn't play unreleased songs on tour in 2014, he won't. Simple.
They've done both. Played (then) unreleased songs at shows and not played them. I've enjoyed both.

You can't go see a show and think "Man I'll be bummed if they don't play a song I don't know tonight". Makes no sense to me....

There is simply too many bands who maintain the album-touring cycle for your argument to make sense: Neil Young; Slash; Motorhead; Springsteen all maintain it vigorously, as do, to a lesser degree, Kiss and AC/DC. There are albums coming out all of the time. Outside jaded hair bands, only Metallica, The Stones and of course, Axl, seem to have, temporally at least, resigned themselves from it. I do not agree with you in the slightest here. Even, hypothetical scenario, albums finish, that should not mean bands should cease to anchor tours around new material. As Bumblefoot said, 'why don't Guns release one song every few months', via the new medium of the internet?

Black ice is a horible album, with zero thought put into it

What it does do better than the chinise album does   Is that black ice had a hit single.  That was very radio friendly. And very ac/dc sounding

For the record i saw ac/dc twice live in the year they came out with black ice.  Even though i wasnt a fan of the album i dos really like both shows as they actually played the album live and it was something new and not a greateat hits show

This is just my opinions though, but since they are mine they are right

[EmilyGNR]

 I'm not ducking questions,

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

A direct question?  I answer every one. 

I just did so with EmilyGNR, and she fucking hates me.  And I figured it was a waste of my time (and it turned out to be), but its rude not to answer.

Now...you, on the other hand, have a somewhat different interpretation, I find.  You will take something I said, twist it around, and then ask me to defend a bunch of ridiculous nonsense I never said.  Sometimes, I'll humor you.  But other times, like if you've been doing it all damn day, yes...my patience will eventually run out.

You would be the worst interviewer since Jiminy Glick.  But at least he was actively going for the laughs.

Your secret powers do not include psychic e-readings of people you don't know on the internet. I don't "hate" you, I dislike what you claim to believe concerning GNR.

Big difference.

Mistaken concepts, negative spin, and toxic mindset are your speshull talents. 

I pop in when I can, I'm working and that takes precedence over  responding to the S.O.S. you post in every thread here.

[mortismurphy]

No no. You blame management for booking tours you don't agree with. So.... Don't start changing the subject.
Especially shit you just assume you know.

I do not know where you are going here? Allow me to clarify. I believe TB have over-saturated the markets with overbooking illogical shows, when they should have pulled the band. 2002, as a tour, possessed a logic; it made sense in the context of where the band were at that point in time. What, do you want me to praise Goldstein for that?

The disaster seemed, things as relating to Axl.

Edited to add: We have a very low tolerance for slander.

I beg your pardon???

Yet the question remains. Are you aware of bands or artists who tour WITHOUT putting a new album out? Yes/No?

I believe I have already mentioned some? I do not understand why Metallica are not in the studio either.

The reason why I mentioned my preference for Black Ice is, you are in danger of merely assigning credit (for the success of an album) to logistical factors like Wallmart and record companies, and not, where it truly belongs, with the band. Black Ice - and I am also answering Bacon here - was superb and deserved the success it acquired.

I saw Depeche Mode on a greatest hits tour back in 1998. Iron Maiden has done tours based on old tours. Then you got reunion tours.

Artist still put out music on CDs. Because that's how it's been done for the last decades. But it doesn't mean it's the only way. Just like putting out an album to tour isn't the only way to tour.

Bands often start playing shows before they have even a record out. How is that promoting an album? They're promoting themselves. So because you got a record out, that part becomes pointless? Or making money by playing shows means the shows are pointless? No!

There's always a point. Just because you don't get it doesn't mean it's not there.

Yes, but look at Maiden's discography. 2000, 2003, 2006 and 2010 have all featured new studio albums. If Maiden are touring without an album, they have had enough releases behind them to act as a reserve. I think, even with The Stones, it is easy to see why they rest on their laurels a bit and rely on the extensive back catalogue. Axl's discography is so paltry, it is a music industry joke. Bands have had their entire career within Axl's endless, hiatuses.

By the way, did you understand my explanation about why you can't really compare the South American tours to each other make sense?
How about the part about the new songs in 2006 or not?

I didn't see you respond to any of that so maybe you missed it.

I am not sure I understood your points there. 2006 was an impressive tour because of Axl's voice. New songs? They played the Blues when I saw them. I think they also played Better. The playing of new material is always impressive. I do not understand your point here.

[jarmo]

I do not know where you are going here? Allow me to clarify. I believe TB have over-saturated the markets with overbooking illogical shows, when they should have pulled the band. 2002, as a tour, possessed a logic; it made sense in the context of where the band were at that point in time. What, do you want me to praise Goldstein for that?

You're quick to criticize the current, but then when something went wrong, you're quick to point fingers in the other direction. You've found your scapegoats.
How about the 2001 tour that never happened? Are you finally gonna admit that other managers have booked tours you don't agree with?

I beg your pardon???

Slander, the kind of personal attacks based on hearsay that you posted which have zero to do with the discussion at hand.

I believe I have already mentioned some? I do not understand why Metallica are not in the studio either.

Great. So now we're getting somewhere. The old album-tour cycle isn't always the way things are done. Some bands are fortunate enough to be able to tour between those cycles so to speak.

The reason why I mentioned my preference for Black Ice is, you are in danger of merely assigning credit (for the success of an album) to logistical factors like Wallmart and record companies, and not, where it truly belongs, with the band. Black Ice - and I am also answering Bacon here - was superb and deserved the success it acquired.

It was a combination of many things. "Here's something totally new" or "Here's more of the same you've liked in the past". Which is people more likely to go for?

Axl's discography is so paltry, it is a music industry joke. Bands have had their entire career within Axl's endless, hiatuses.

Care to show some references to this so called joke? As far as I know, that discography is one of the most valuable ones the record company has. If you're after quantity, then that's your opinion...

I am not sure I understood your points there. 2006 was an impressive tour because of Axl's voice. New songs? They played the Blues when I saw them. I think they also played Better. The playing of new material is always impressive. I do not understand your point here.

Ok. Here you go:

Because of the new songs they choose to play in 2006, didn't you claim that the 2010 show was the same as 2006?
And if they hadn't played those new songs in 2006, then what? You guessed it. You could always say that those shows were the same as the 2002 shows!
See? Your way of thinking will always be right about something. You can't be pleased. 



How about South America? I'm sorry to keep asking but since you're not acknowledging it anymore I assume you got it but just making sure that there's no need to clarify.




/jarmo

[Nytunz]

Could we please go back to the subject? "Next Album" rumor / speculation thread"

So, anything new here? We still have no concrete rumors about the album title, subject etc for the next album?

[JAEBALL]

Could we please go back to the subject? "Next Album" rumor / speculation thread"

So, anything new here? We still have no concrete rumors about the album title, subject etc for the next album?

Nope.

I hope it's not called Chinese Democracy 2...but because I have never heard of a different rumored title... leads me to believe it probably will be Chinese Democracy 2

[Nytunz]

Could we please go back to the subject? "Next Album" rumor / speculation thread"

So, anything new here? We still have no concrete rumors about the album title, subject etc for the next album?

Nope.

I hope it's not called Chinese Democracy 2...but because I have never heard of a different rumored title... leads me to believe it probably will be Chinese Democracy 2

Naa. i hope for something different, but you never know. If its out in 2015 i hope we will know soon, it at least will give us something to talk about and look forward to. Maybe Dexter will give us a few hits! =)

[Ginger King]

Edited to add: We have a very low tolerance for slander.

/jarmo

I think you mean libel.

[JAEBALL]

@MortisMurphy ... I really think you are in the wrong place... You hate everything about the current state of affairs ... EVERYTHING... You are certainly entitled... but maybe you would be better off with something different?

Not beefing with you... just a thought.

Some others and including myself can be critical of the business of GNR sometimes... but you take it to a whole new level...lol

You know you are never going to get some people to agree with anything you say right? It's a futile enterprise. Just looking out.