So you think there's a problem with GNR?

[new gnr fan]

I think the problem are not the fans. The problem are old members like Slash or Steven, because they always wanna come back to GN'R. But i think, the're only saying it, because the press wanna hearing it.
So, everyone is pissed off about Axl, because some lies, old members telled the press.
Sometimes i think (when I listening some solo stuff from Duff or Slash): "This could be inspired a bit from Chi Dem".

[LongGoneDay]

people bitchin chinese democracy even they didn't hear it...Your point is good,but I don't understand why did you use "madagascar" like comparation...Maddy is an amazing and powerfull song like whole album...Maybe there is some Axl and menagment guilty because  "no promotion"...I like Cd as I like Afd or Uyi

Just because that's the one I personally liked the least. It's not reflective of I think they did a bad job or anything with it, just not my cup of tea. Like Think About You.

LongGoneDay, I'm not saying it's a masterpiece, or that you HAVE to like it. I'm just saying people who completely disregard it seem like they never really gave it an honest listen. If I understand you correctly you're not saying, "this record is complete shit," you're just saying, ?it?s just not my cup of tea.? See the difference? I've read stories about the band that say things like, "CD offends all musical tastes" and that it's complete garbage. That's different from saying, "it just didn't connect with me." The guys I'm interbitching about are the ones who are flat out insulting about it, and say it has no merit whatsoever.

Yeah, I hear you. I would never say it's garbage. Street of Dreams and CITR are in my rotation. I still listen to it front to back every now and then to see if it grows on me. Clearly a lot went into it, and to write something off without hearing it makes little sense.

[LongGoneDay]

"People talk about hearing new little things every time they put on Chinese Democracy. That doesn't do anything for me, it just says they spent a ton of time layering tracks in the studio. That's my opinion."  SlashBaconpit

In my opinion "layering" isn't the reason at all.  Take the movie "Dumb and dumber"  I must have watched that movie 15 times before I heard every funny line-I was laughing so darn hard at one thing that I'd miss the next.  With CD, I'd be appreciating some little sound or touch so much I'd miss something just as impressive a second later.  I think CD is great because so much went into every song.  It may be layered but it's outstanding on a straight line.  Folks need to hear it on a quality system to fully appreciate it.

That was actually me who spoke about the layering. That's cool. It's a different take than mine, but I totally get what you're saying. For me, growing up listening to the Illusions records, it took me a long time to distinguish lyrics of the songs, and understand what they meant, so I felt like there was always something new I hadn't picked up on before. Obviously it doesnt apply to all the songs as some are pretty damn straight forward, but I think you know what I mean. Some of the lyrics, Axl especially, wrote blow me away to this day. Last 2 minutes of Coma, Locomotive, Right Next Door to Hell(w/some help), Perfect Crime etc. Some amazing shit. I didn't get that on Chinese, but I can't name one band off of the top of my head where I can say I love every album. The Stones are probably my #1, and they probably have 8 or 9 records I could live without ever hearing again.

Good call on Dumb and Dumber though. My favorite comedy of all time. I've actually been meaning to watch it and count how many lines are NOT funny.
I can't think of any off the top of my head. At least not out of Lloyd or Harry's mouths.

[LongGoneDay]

I think the problem are not the fans. The problem are old members like Slash or Steven, because they always wanna come back to GN'R. But i think, the're only saying it, because the press wanna hearing it.
So, everyone is pissed off about Axl, because some lies, old members telled the press.
Sometimes i think (when I listening some solo stuff from Duff or Slash): "This could be inspired a bit from Chi Dem".

Wow, amazing how 2 people can look at the same thing and come away with such different perspectives.
Slash hasn't said much that would leave me to believe he wants anything to do with GN'R. Steven? Yes, but he's referring to Axl, Slash, Duff, and Izzy.
I don't think he wants any part of the current lineup.

Duff and Slash solo material pretty much sounds like it's coming from the exact opposite spectrum of Chinese Democracy.
Slash and Duff are into the more down and dirty, classic rock n roll sound. Axl is more into the cleaner, Queen, Elton John style etc.
That's what made their partnership so great, it all blended beautifully together. In my opinion, the alumni could benefit from compromising on their musical direction as they did in the past. But I guess that was one of the big problems in the end, wasn't it. How much could they feel comfortable with. Obviously they reached their breaking point.

[LunsJail]

Think About You is about heroin. Listen to it again in that context and you'll know why it wouldn't work on a Poison album

[Galileo]

Sometimes i think (when I listening some solo stuff from Duff or Slash): "This could be inspired a bit from Chi Dem".

Yes! When I listen to songs like Seattlehead, Lords of Abbadon or Dr. Alibi, I recognize threre a lot of inspiration from Chi Dem. 

[LongGoneDay]

Sometimes i think (when I listening some solo stuff from Duff or Slash): "This could be inspired a bit from Chi Dem".

Yes! When I listen to songs like Seattlehead, Lords of Abbadon or Dr. Alibi, I recognize threre a lot of inspiration from Chi Dem. 

Seattlehead has been around since 2001 if not earlier I think.

I thought Dr. Alibi would have felt right at home on the Spaghetti Incident.

Lemmy and Chinese Democracy. Now there are two polar opposites!

[Galileo]

Sometimes i think (when I listening some solo stuff from Duff or Slash): "This could be inspired a bit from Chi Dem".

Yes! When I listen to songs like Seattlehead, Lords of Abbadon or Dr. Alibi, I recognize threre a lot of inspiration from Chi Dem. 

Seattlehead has been around since 2001 if not earlier I think.

I thought Dr. Alibi would have felt right at home on the Spaghetti Incident.

Lemmy and Chinese Democracy. Now there are two polar opposites!

Seattlehead is from 1996 indeed.

And I'm with you: Lem and CD are really polar opposites. 

[new gnr fan]

I said a bit. It doesn't meant a whole album or something.

[nick6sic6]

IMO,  if there's a problem it would be that
"opinions are like a@@holes" as Axl well said it onstage in 88.

[nick6sic6]

With no disrespect to any fellow fan...

[Galileo]

I said a bit.

A bit or a beck's?