Rock N Roll Hall Of Fame! Now it's official.

[jarmo]

Original lineup is Slash,Adler,Duff,Izzy,Axl.Original lineup is the lineup that put the first record.And yes they written AFD.

Say something different is of twisted minds.But who cares? i think after being inducted as GNR its all clear.

o?rig?i?nal/əˈrijənl/
Adjective:   
Used or produced at the creation or earliest stage of something.


Stop rewriting history and redefining a word in the English language.

Was it the original line up of the band? No.
Was it the first line up to release the band's first album? Yes.



/jarmo

[src]

You're talking about the classic AFD line up.

Or if you want to use the word original, the original AFD line up. 


I'm sorry if you have issues with the definitions of the word original.

It is what it is.

Doesn't take anything away from what the AFD or UYI line ups achieved.

/jarmo

If you try to teach something to other people you should preferably be right about it. But from a scientific point of you you're probably the person here who has the major issues with how words and terms are defined. You're right about the definition of the word "original" as a standalone word, but in the context of GnR, the term "the original band" has a strongly established meaning which you have seemingly tried to reinvent here. I seem to recall a good principle: If you understand the meaning someone tries to give a phrase, don't be a bitch about it and make the discussion into one about semantics.

Too many people on either side discusses semantics here. I wish (for the sake of good discussion) it would end.

[kukol1978]

Original lineup is Slash,Adler,Duff,Izzy,Axl.Original lineup is the lineup that put the first record.And yes they written AFD.

Say something different is of twisted minds.But who cares? i think after being inducted as GNR its all clear.

o?rig?i?nal/əˈrijənl/
Adjective:   
Used or produced at the creation or earliest stage of something.


Stop rewriting history and redefining a word in the English language.

Was it the original line up of the band? No.
Was it the first line up to release the band's first album? Yes.



/jarmo

As i said they were inducted as GNR so who cares? the world knows that that guys were the ones who conquered the world many times.Not other ones,just them,and sorum.

[ITARocker]

Just a great night of rock n roll      Just unhappy izzy and dizzy weren't performing both. 

[kukol1978]

You're talking about the classic AFD line up.

Or if you want to use the word original, the original AFD line up. 


I'm sorry if you have issues with the definitions of the word original.

It is what it is.

Doesn't take anything away from what the AFD or UYI line ups achieved.

/jarmo

If you try to teach something to other people you should preferably be right about it. But from a scientific point of you you're probably the person here who has the major issues with how words and terms are defined. You're right about the definition of the word "original" as a standalone word, but in the context of GnR, the term "the original band" has a strongly established meaning which you have seemingly tried to reinvent here. I seem to recall a good principle: If you understand the meaning someone tries to give a phrase, don't be a bitch about it and make the discussion into one about semantics.

Too many people on either side discusses semantics here. I wish (for the sake of good discussion) it would end.

Also i want to know for how long Ole beich and Tracii guns stayed under the name of GNR ( yes after fusion) ,please answer this question.

[jarmo]

If you try to teach something to other people you should preferably be right about it. But from a scientific point of you you're probably the person here who has the major issues with how words and terms are defined. You're right about the definition of the word "original" as a standalone word, but in the context of GnR, the term "the original band" has a strongly established meaning which you have seemingly tried to reinvent here. I seem to recall a good principle: If you understand the meaning someone tries to give a phrase, don't be a bitch about it and make the discussion into one about semantics.

Too many people on either side discusses semantics here. I wish (for the sake of good discussion) it would end.

Yes, a lot of people use the term original because they don't know any better.

Also, a lot of people in the media write things that aren't true. What's wrong with pointing out the errors?



Ringo wasn't the original drummer for The Beatles, Kirk Hammett isn't the original Metallica guitarist and so on. They're both probably more known than the guys they replaced.


Doesn't take anything away from anybody's achievements.  

As i said they were inducted as GNR so who cares? the world knows that that guys were the ones who conquered the world many times.Not other ones,just them,and sorum.

Not Dizzy?



/jarmo

[kukol1978]

If you try to teach something to other people you should preferably be right about it. But from a scientific point of you you're probably the person here who has the major issues with how words and terms are defined. You're right about the definition of the word "original" as a standalone word, but in the context of GnR, the term "the original band" has a strongly established meaning which you have seemingly tried to reinvent here. I seem to recall a good principle: If you understand the meaning someone tries to give a phrase, don't be a bitch about it and make the discussion into one about semantics.

Too many people on either side discusses semantics here. I wish (for the sake of good discussion) it would end.

Yes, a lot of people use the term original because they don't know any better.

Also, a lot of people in the media write things that aren't true. What's wrong with pointing out the errors?



Ringo wasn't the original drummer for The Beatles, Kirk Hammett isn't the original Metallica guitarist and so on. They're both probably more known than the guys they replaced.


Doesn't take anything away from anybody's achievements.  

As i said they were inducted as GNR so who cares? the world knows that that guys were the ones who conquered the world many times.Not other ones,just them,and sorum.

Not Dizzy?



/jarmo

And Dizzy,yes.And please answer the question above,thanks.

[ITARocker]

I'm just imaging Dizzy on his car to cleveland with all his family and then he get texted from the boss 

[Alfie Bones]

Also i want to know for how long Ole beich and Tracii guns stayed under the name of GNR ( yes after fusion) ,please answer this question.

Why would Jarmo waste his time on that? Find out for yourself.

It's an irrelevant question. Original means original, first, nothing more, nothing less. Slash was a replacement. Adler was a replacement. Duff was a replacement.  None of them were original, founding members of GN'R. Whether Tracii played one gig, ten shows, or a hundreds shows with GN'R is irrelevant to his point.

[jarmo]

March 26th, 1985 - A flyer for a show at The Troubadour in Los Angeles says "L.A Guns and Hollywood Rose presents the band Guns N' Roses". The band's line-up is: Axl Rose (vocals), Izzy Stradlin (guitar), Tracii Guns (guitar), Ole Beich (bass) and Rob Gardner (drums).

I believe that was the first Guns N' Roses show.

The first with the classic new original line up was on June 6th, 1985.



/jarmo

[kukol1978]

Also i want to know for how long Ole beich and Tracii guns stayed under the name of GNR ( yes after fusion) ,please answer this question.

Why would Jarmo waste his time on that? Find out for yourself.

It's an irrelevant question. Original means original, first, nothing more, nothing less. Slash was a replacement. Adler was a replacement. Duff was a replacement.  None of them were original, founding members of GN'R. Whether Tracii played one gig, ten shows, or a hundreds shows with GN'R is irrelevant to his point.

Guns N' Roses (1985)
 
Main article: Guns N' Roses
 
Following Tracii Guns' decision to put L.A. Guns on hold to join recently reunited Hollywood Rose (who had disbanded the previous year), replacing Weber,[6][7][8] Hollywood Rose eventually changed their name to Guns N' Roses (combining the names of L.A. Guns and Hollywood Rose) with the lineup composed of Axl Rose, Tracii Guns, Izzy Stradlin, Ole Beich[9] and Rob Gardner.[10][11]
 
Beich played one show in early 1985 before quitting the group[1] and was eventually replaced by Duff McKagan[12][13] while Guns left the group[2] being replaced by Slash.[12] McKagan went on to book shows taking place between Sacramento and Seattle, which was dubbed "The Hell Tour". During this time, Gardner quit the group and was replaced by Steven Adler[7] with this lineup becoming known as the "classic lineup" of Guns N' Roses.[7][

[ZRO]

I don't see the point of this "original lineup" debate. What is it proving?

If you want to take that route, then I look at GNR like a sports team. Michael Jordan isn't an "original Chicago Bull" but he is the best one. Whether playing with them or not, Michael Jordan IS the Chicago Bulls. Axl/Slash/Duff/Izzy/Adler/Sorum IS Guns N' Roses.

[jarmo]

with this lineup becoming known as the "classic lineup" of Guns N' Roses.

See the word original anywhere?



/jarmo

[ITARocker]

March 26th, 1985 - A flyer for a show at The Troubadour in Los Angeles says "L.A Guns and Hollywood Rose presents the band Guns N' Roses". The band's line-up is: Axl Rose (vocals), Izzy Stradlin (guitar), Tracii Guns (guitar), Ole Beich (bass) and Rob Gardner (drums).

I believe that was the first Guns N' Roses show.

The first with the classic new original line up was on June 6th, 1985.



/jarmo

Omfg

 

this is getting more and more embarassing, i think everybody have to stop...

[kukol1978]

March 26th, 1985 - A flyer for a show at The Troubadour in Los Angeles says "L.A Guns and Hollywood Rose presents the band Guns N' Roses". The band's line-up is: Axl Rose (vocals), Izzy Stradlin (guitar), Tracii Guns (guitar), Ole Beich (bass) and Rob Gardner (drums).

I believe that was the first Guns N' Roses show.

The first with the classic new original line up was on June 6th, 1985.



/jarmo

Yes,and the only one with this lineup.So Rob halford is part of black sabbath i guess....

Even more,Rob halford has played more gigs with black sabbath than ole beich with GNR,it sound .....

[jarmo]

Some of you need a history lesson because you refuse to realize that the band existed before your beloved former members joined.


What's embarrassing about knowing what you're talking about?

It's more embarrassing to keep repeating something that you've been shown is false. It means you have some kind of learning disability or are just too stubborn.

Yes,and the only one with this lineup.So Rob halford is part of black sabbath i guess....

Even more,Rob halford has played more gigs with black sabbath than ole beich with GNR,it sound .....

When was Rob Halford in Black Sabbath? I had no idea.

Was this in the same history book that refers to Steven Adler, Slash and Duff as original members of GN'R? 

Ronnie James Dio was part of Black Sabbath at some point. So was Ray Gillen, Ian Gillan and many others.





/jarmo

[zombux]

Yes,and the only one with this lineup.

followed by 4 more shows until the band got into the "classic AFD lineup"
source: http://www.gnrontour.com/setlistalm85.htm

[jarmo]

Original and classic are two different things.

Sometimes they can describe the same thing.

For example: The original line up of Black Sabbath is also the classic one.



/jarmo

[kukol1978]

1992
DIO leave black sabbath, and halford had to sing in some shows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxcHe8OvQUg


2004
Ozzy osbourne sick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6yROrOBp7A&feature=related

and btw, the original/classic word fight it is stupid yes,but its very clear that always is coming from new gnr supporters,loving to bash the old/classic/orginal/first lineup,and as i said before,im love both lineups i loved 2006 and 2010 gigs,they were awesome.Not now for me.

[kukol1978]

Yes,and the only one with this lineup.

followed by 4 more shows until the band got into the "classic AFD lineup"
source: http://www.gnrontour.com/setlistalm85.htm

No,Ole quit after 1 gig.