DJ Ashba: Unrecorded Axl's Songs Could 'Blow People's Minds'

[jarmo]

but I always keep shit real on here, so i gotta say this: DJ has never "recorded" with Axl.

And you know this how?

I have no idea if he has or if he hasn't.

But I don't say he hasn't when I don't know for sure.

Keeping shit real indeed...





/jarmo

[D]

just saying, hanging out,touring and recording are way different beasts. Just look at the guitar players that have came in and out of GNR, i dont think Bucket left and  Robin left twice cause things were 100 percent always amazing. thats not necessarily saying Axl is a dick or an asshole but maybe the delays,recording schedules etc will frustrate even DJ after a while.  Im sure Axl is a super great guy but lets see if DJ can handle the studio version of Axl with all the pressure,stress,deadlines etc.

[jarmo]

You're definitely keeping shit real.....


You have no idea what you're talking about do you?

What exactly do you know about how Axl works in the studio?




/jarmo

[D]

well, we've heard from interviews the super late night sessions, the down time in between etc  that isn't everyone's cup of tea. Everyone didn't quit for no reason right?

[jarmo]

well, we've heard from interviews the super late night sessions, the down time in between etc  that isn't everyone's cup of tea. Everyone didn't quit for no reason right?

I'm sure everybody had their reasons.

But you assume things that will fit your idea of what must've happened.


For instance, you know nothing about how Dj prefers to work. Yet here you are "keeping shit real" and assuming.

You assume something that will validate your other assumptions. Does it make "shit real"? Not really....

 


/jarmo

[One.In.A.Million]

well, we've heard from interviews the super late night sessions, the down time in between etc  that isn't everyone's cup of tea. Everyone didn't quit for no reason right?

I'm sure everybody had their reasons.

But you assume things that will fit your idea of what must've happened.


For instance, you know nothing about how Dj prefers to work. Yet here you are "keeping shit real" and assuming.

You assume something that will validate your other assumptions. Does it make "shit real"? Not really....

 


/jarmo

Come on jarmo, you can't deny that based on the history of countless of GN'R members leaving, has alot to do with them having a problem with Axls way of working. And it's not hard to work out why they could have a hard time in dealing with it, based on the downtime, and countless of stories we've heard from people who were there during those sessions.

I've read countless of interviews, where people have stated that Axl is a genius, but is sometimes hard to work with on a proffessional level. We are not just talking about Robin and Bucket (like D said), what about the countless of producers, managers, tour personel, who have left because of them "colliding" with Axl.

I love Axl and GN'R, but I too think that you can't lie to yourself and think that everyone who has left GN'R or got on the wrong side of Axl, is totally in the wrong.....


And to answer your question, I'm not saying what DJ said is bad at all. You stated that this thread isn't as popular, because people who think they are cool choose to ignore it. So I simply answered that I think the problem was that fans have heard this kind of comment dozens of times before. About Axl sitting on 3 amazing albums, and having brilliant material up his sleeve. So fans aren't going to get ecstatic about news they've heard before, and that's the reason why I felt the thread wasn't "popular". 

[jarmo]

Come on jarmo, you can't deny that based on the history of countless of GN'R members leaving, has alot to do with them having a problem with Axls way of working. And it's not hard to work out why they could have a hard time in dealing with it, based on the downtime, and countless of stories we've heard from people who were there during those sessions.

I've read countless of interviews, where people have stated that Axl is a genius, but is sometimes hard to work with on a proffessional level. We are not just talking about Robin and Bucket (like D said), what about the countless of producers, managers, tour personel, who have left because of them "colliding" with Axl.

What the hell does that have to do with you guys assuming you know how Dj is and how he likes to work?

Aren't you guys supposed to be the ones stopping the assumptions and people making shit up? And what are you doing?

You're assuming Dj can't get along with Axl in the studio.

Good job!

I love Axl and GN'R, but I too think that you can't lie to yourself and think that everyone who has left GN'R or got on the wrong side of Axl, is totally in the wrong.....

How does this relate to Dj saying nice things about Axl's song writing?

I know it hurts that Robin isn't in the band.

And to answer your question, I'm not saying what DJ said is bad at all.

Good.

You have a funny way of showing it.

You stated that this thread isn't as popular, because people who think they are cool choose to ignore it. So I simply answered that I think the problem was that fans have heard this kind of comment dozens of times before. About Axl sitting on 3 amazing albums, and having brilliant material up his sleeve. So fans aren't going to get ecstatic about news they've heard before, and that's the reason why I felt the thread wasn't "popular". 

I wasn't talking about thread popularity.

I thought it was obvious.

I'm talking about the simple fact that as soon as something nice is said, it generates less interest than something negative. It's ignored. It's like it never happened.

You can say what you want about how people have heard it before. We have all heard the "don't get your hopes up" line from you before, but you don't seem tired of repeating it in almost every thread....



Then we have some people who take it upon themselves to jump into a thread that's positive to try to twist it into something else to make it negative.

Like this one. Nice comments about Axl as a song writer is now turned into you two assuming Dj can't record with Axl because their personalities don't match.


Which is what you have been doing in most Dj related threads lately. Hence the joke about you having problems with Dj because he replaced your favorite (former) member......




/jarmo

[One.In.A.Million]

Can you outline the part where I said that DJ can't get along with Axl, and the two can't record together. 

I was extending the debate that you and D started to have, in regards to people being able to work with Axl. And I like how whenever you want to get one over on me, you have to mention Robin. That's very grown up of you, and I also love how the last few mentions of Robin in the main thread, have come from you, in a negative way.

What I'm saying has nothing to do with Robins departure, but you seem happy beating that dead horse to "get one over" on us. 

Ron never had no problem in talking positively about Robin the other night, so I don't see why you have to bring his name up all the time to discredit peoples opinions, in which you don't like. 

[jarmo]

Can you outline the part where I said that DJ can't get along with Axl, and the two can't record together. 

Isn't that the whole idea of your discussion?

Why else would you bring it into this topic?

I know you didn't, D did. But you're basically agreeing with him.

If you didn't think it was a problem, I suppose you wouldn't go on and on about it?

I was extending the debate that you and D started to have, in regards to people being able to work with Axl. And I like how whenever you want to get one over on me, you have to mention Robin. That's very grown up of you, and I also love how the last few mentions of Robin in the main thread, have come from you, in a negative way.

Of course you were extending it.

A thread about Dj, you have to "extend" something to make sure nobody "gets their hopes up".

Imagine if somebody would think Dj gets along fine with Axl? The horror!

Good thing you're here to make sure nobody twists anything into meaning something else. Like Dj praising Axl into meaning Dj has never worked with Axl properly and he will most likely not get along with Axl.

Oh wait. That's what you're doing! Oops!

What I'm saying has nothing to do with Robins departure, but you seem happy beating that dead horse to "get one over" on us. 

It doesn't.

All I see is a guy with a Robin avatar making special appearances in most threads about Dj in order to stop people from making assumptions and/or getting the wrong idea. Or so he claims.

Except, in this thread he's helping people get the wrong idea.

Ron never had no problem in talking positively about Robin the other night, so I don't see why you have to bring his name up all the time to discredit peoples opinions, in which you don't like. 

I don't have any problems with Robin.

I just think it's amusing to see some of the Robin fans act like they have no problems with Dj. When in fact they like to post shit about Dj every chance they get and then act like nothing.

GN'R needs Robin back and things like that.

Now you wouldn't be one of those fans now would you? Nah..... Of course not.





/jarmo

[One.In.A.Million]

Again jarmo, please don't put words in my mouth.

I never said that DJ can't work with Axl, in fact I think that DJ out of all of the current members probably get's along with Axl the best. You and D, started discussing that subject, and I was talking about the general feeling over the last 20 years, about Axl being a genius but hard to work with on a daily basis......That comment had nothing to do with the current situation with DJ.

And about Robin, my personal feelings about Robin being back in the band has nothing to do with my comments in recent DJ threads. When DJ came onto the forum to post, I instantly said "Thank you, it means alot for us to have you come by the forum". So, if I had some underlining agenda to dismiss DJ all the time, why would I do that. 

I honestly don't know why your trying to make out that I'm saying that DJ can't work with Axl, I never said that...

By all of the negative Robin comments, it really is hard to believe that you have no problem with Robin. And guess what?, it all started when he left the band. No surprise there in your case, but other people who were genuine fans of Robin, are still going to support him and talk positively about his 10+ years in GN'R......I hope that doesn't bother you too much. 


Wow, I even used the bold feature again............ aint I the rebel. 

 

[jarmo]

I never said that DJ can't work with Axl, in fact I think that DJ out of all of the current members probably get's along with Axl the best. You and D, started discussing that subject, and I was talking about the general feeling over the last 20 years, about Axl being a genius but hard to work with on a daily basis......That comment had nothing to do with the current situation with DJ.

Why do you even need to bring that up?

And about Robin, my personal feelings about Robin being back in the band has nothing to do with my comments in recent DJ threads. When DJ came onto the forum to post, I instantly said "Thank you, it means alot for us to have you come by the forum". So, if I had some underlining agenda to dismiss DJ all the time, why would I do that. 

I don't know why somebody would openly dismiss the band they claim to love and post shit about Dj and then pretend like they didn't?

Yes, we all know how you act here. That's not the point.

Of course you're acting nice here. That doesn't prove anything when you know the truth now does it?

By all of the negative Robin comments, it really is hard to believe that you have no problem with Robin. And guess what?, it all started when he left the band. No surprise there in your case, but other people who were genuine fans of Robin, are still going to support him and talk positively about his 10+ years in GN'R......I hope that doesn't bother you too much. 

I didn't say one negative thing about Robin in this thread.

I was taking about some of his fans, like yourself.

It's just in bad taste.... The way you pretend.



I just wanna let you know one thing. I can read. Yes, even English.

That's all you need to go before you go further with your "I like Dj" act. You're not fooling me. Or anybody else who can read.


By the way, it's not 2002 anymore, I'm sorry.





/jarmo

[One.In.A.Million]

I honestly don't know why your turning this thread into a trial, on does One.In.A.Million like DJ. 

If DJ being in the band was such a big problem for me, why would I travel to another continent, and other various European countries to see the band live 10 times in 2010.......Yes, I must dispise the guy. 

And if you talking about my comments on other "various" sites, then so what?. I have an opinion and I can express it in which I choose, I adhere to the forums rules and refrain myself from posting comments like that on the board. Don't criticise me for being "two-faced", when I wouldn't be allowed to post my "true" feelings anyway.

What I have said on here or any other sites, is exactly what I would tell any fans I meet on my travels or indeed any bandmembers I happen to meet (even DJ). If you open your eyes jarmo, there are millions of GN'R fans who have more extreme views on GN'R (past and present).

Just because you can censor alot of the stuff because this is your site, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. 

Your views on GN'R, actually takes away from the notion you try to get across. Which is that GN'R are a band, especially when you seem to change your views instantly, on any member or manager who suddenly is no longer associated with the band. 

[carmiedisco12]

A few quick comments.

1- Awesome last post One in a Million.
2 - Personally I think Robin sucked....totally ruined This I love IMHO.....torture to listen to his solo's. I haven't listened to catcher in ages but If he did the solo's in that (I can't recall) then it is just so sad that Brian May's excellent work wasn't kept.
3 - I like DJ, he was awesome live, however the 3 album thing has been a dick tease for close to a decade, so I think most GNR fans just smile a little and yawn (sadly but fool me once.....).
4 - It can't be coincidence that so many have the same views. If you are the only one that thinks the sky is Pink yet everyone else tries to point out it's blue.....then you have to think hmmmm maybe theres a grain of truth in this.
5 - Hopefully we get to hear these songs 'soon'. I know Axl's a perfectionist but for me personally that attitude kinda made lesser albums of the Illusions and CD. I prefer most songs I've heard live rather than the recorded versions which are a bit busy and overproduced (yes I know Jarmo hates that term but it's true)
6 - Personally I'm praying we don't get 9 minute slow/mid paced epics....I find myself skipping those on my MP3 player. There are lots of different styles other than Rock or Ballad (just look at Radioheads OK computer). I know my opinion doesn't count for much but I'd love to see a GNR album a bit like VillageGorrillaHead.

[COMAMOTIVE]

A few quick comments.

5 - Hopefully we get to hear these songs 'soon'. I know Axl's a perfectionist but for me personally that attitude kinda made lesser albums of the Illusions and CD. I prefer most songs I've heard live rather than the recorded versions which are a bit busy and overproduced (yes I know Jarmo hates that term but it's true)
6 - Personally I'm praying we don't get 9 minute slow/mid paced epics....I find myself skipping those on my MP3 player. There are lots of different styles other than Rock or Ballad (just look at Radioheads OK computer). I know my opinion doesn't count for much but I'd love to see a GNR album a bit like VillageGorrillaHead.

Actually brings up an interesting question for people, one that may be needed in another thread...but considering how diverse the sound of CD was, combined with the Gnr roots and Axl's obvious interest in pushing the envelope... I wonder what kind of direction most would like to see this band go in... I have to differ a bit from you in that, I think if we got an album of exactly what Ashba was talking about (heavy piano) - it would be something I'd be very interested in hearing. I still get chills listening to some of the piano jams before NR was played live back in the day...sometimes very, very intense stuff.

[DeN]

can't wait to hear that...I hope Axl will go to the studios really soon with the guys.


Slash's fans will always call for a reunion
Robin's fans will always call for a return
Buckethead fans didn't care too much 

personally I'm waiting DJ studio's work with Guns to judge him.

live, he's a good entertainer, he's good looking for the gals and the gays
(who said that doesn't count in rock n'roll?) and he can play the shit.

[jarmo]

I honestly don't know why your turning this thread into a trial, on does One.In.A.Million like DJ. 

Because you're acting like you're some kind of saint and we both know your true opinion.

If you had some sense, you wouldn't have started posting the same shit in almost every thread about Dj and you could still pretend...

If DJ being in the band was such a big problem for me, why would I travel to another continent, and other various European countries to see the band live 10 times in 2010.......Yes, I must dispise the guy. 

Going to shows doesn't stop you from spewing your hate now does it?

And if you talking about my comments on other "various" sites, then so what?. I have an opinion and I can express it in which I choose, I adhere to the forums rules and refrain myself from posting comments like that on the board. Don't criticise me for being "two-faced", when I wouldn't be allowed to post my "true" feelings anyway.

It is two faced when you act like you're so cool with Dj here in front of people on this board only to "prove" some point.

You're trying to show everybody how I'm after some poor supportive GN'R fan. Which I'm not.

I have my reasons on thinking that you have issues with Dj and those issues are showing. While you act like nothing and pretend.

I'm only making sure people know why I think what I do about you.

What I have said on here or any other sites, is exactly what I would tell any fans I meet on my travels or indeed any bandmembers I happen to meet (even DJ). If you open your eyes jarmo, there are millions of GN'R fans who have more extreme views on GN'R (past and present).

I don't care. One negative extreme or the other, it's all the same "it was better back then" crap.

Just because you can censor alot of the stuff because this is your site, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. 

Just because I choose to not involve myself with those people you mean.

Your views on GN'R, actually takes away from the notion you try to get across. Which is that GN'R are a band, especially when you seem to change your views instantly, on any member or manager who suddenly is no longer associated with the band. 

Shows how much you know.

Just like in this case, where you're claiming to be saving the world from assumptions and wrong information courtesy of Dj, you choose to believe what others tell you.

You never asked me. You assumed I have issues with Robin. Because it fits your opinion.

It doesn't matter that it's not true.



All I saw was a guy seeing an opportunity to attack Dj once again, and he took it. As usual. But then when he's called out on it, he acts like he's a great fan of Dj. When we both know it's not true...



People are making all kinds of assumptions, mostly negative, in this thread while they claim they are the ones "keeping shit real" and making sure fans don't get their hopes up etc. It's ironic.

How real is something you know absolutely nothing about?

personally I'm waiting DJ studio's work with Guns to judge him.

live, he's a good entertainer, he's good looking for the gals and the gays
(who said that doesn't count in rock n'roll?) and he can play the shit.

At least somebody is "keeping shit real". 




/jarmo

[LongGoneDay]

A few quick comments.

5 - Hopefully we get to hear these songs 'soon'. I know Axl's a perfectionist but for me personally that attitude kinda made lesser albums of the Illusions and CD. I prefer most songs I've heard live rather than the recorded versions which are a bit busy and overproduced (yes I know Jarmo hates that term but it's true)
6 - Personally I'm praying we don't get 9 minute slow/mid paced epics....I find myself skipping those on my MP3 player. There are lots of different styles other than Rock or Ballad (just look at Radioheads OK computer). I know my opinion doesn't count for much but I'd love to see a GNR album a bit like VillageGorrillaHead.

Actually brings up an interesting question for people, one that may be needed in another thread...but considering how diverse the sound of CD was, combined with the Gnr roots and Axl's obvious interest in pushing the envelope... I wonder what kind of direction most would like to see this band go in... I have to differ a bit from you in that, I think if we got an album of exactly what Ashba was talking about (heavy piano) - it would be something I'd be very interested in hearing. I still get chills listening to some of the piano jams before NR was played live back in the day...sometimes very, very intense stuff.

I too enjoy the live versions. I'd like to hear them simplify it a bit in the studio.
A heavy piano driven record sounds great to me.

[jarmo]

A heavy piano driven record sounds great to me.

It's kinda funny how the old "you can't please everyone" thing is so often true.

There's no magic formula on what will work....

Some prefer albums with more quiet songs, others prefer the majority of songs to be loud, fast etc.



/jarmo

[sofine11]

Just sayin, we had no idea that Ron had recorded parts for CD until it was announced officially by the band in 2007.  He never came out and facebooked "Just got out of the studio with Axl.  Laid down some killer riffs for the album!" 

That said, we have no idea whether DJ has done the same for the next album over the past few months, or if that's what he was referring to when he said that he's been working on new songs with Axl.

For all we know, the current plan could be to get the album out later this year, and they're securing the details behind the scenes.  Who knows?

[LongGoneDay]

A heavy piano driven record sounds great to me.

It's kinda funny how the old "you can't please everyone" thing is so often true.

There's no magic formula on what will work....

Some prefer albums with more quiet songs, others prefer the majority of songs to be loud, fast etc.



/jarmo

There are plenty of directions they can go, and I can imagine sounding great. Axl has certainly proven his versatility over the years.