STP over GN'R? Really?

[jacdaniel]

Guns were the biggest band in the world during their active years of 87 - 93.  Some idiots with an agenda will claim that Nirvana etc "Toppled" GNR and point out the poor sales of the Spaghetti incident as evidence of this.

The truth is, that album was just a bunch of punk covers recorded during the Illusion era and was only released as a fun/keep the fans happy type of album while they worked on the next proper album.  

STP are a good band though.  Nirvana are a decent but terribly overated band.  If he hadn't of blown his head off, no one would really care anymore....

[bolton]

It's stuped to say "Nirvana,StP,Pearl Jam toppled Guns n Roses"...Gnr was the bigest Band in 6 years era,and noone toppled them except members of GNR...On the other hand Guns n Roses now had a status "one of the biggest band in the history of rock music" ,Nirvana,PJ,STP don't have this status...After almost 20 years ,with new band members and only one album GNR still have cult status and still can sellout stadiums (in SOuth America,Japan,Australia and some European countries) and 15-20k arenas Europe,USa and across the globe.

[Fingers]

These bands were red hot in 92 and 93-sorry-even Axl was a fan-he didn't wear a Nirvana hat and ask them to open for guns if the thought they were overrated or "decent"-Axl said himself he was influenced by new music coming out(Nine Inch Nails, and so on)-toppled might be a strong word, but you get the point.

[Bodhi]

grunge made GNR & Aerosmith seem very uncool - which I think the article was suggesting - it was a trend in music, and STP was one of the leading bands. 

?? Aerosmith's Get a Grip album was released during the height of grungemania and it was a commercial smash, actually it was Aerosmith's biggest record..  You are saying GN'R could not have done the same thing?  I never bought into that argument that grunge wiped out anything that came out before it.  Metallica was bigger than any  band during the 90's including Nirvana, and is still just as big today.

[jacdaniel]

The whole rock industry has gone downhill since the Grunge era.  There has being very few great frontmen or lead guitarists since then. 

Most rock music these days is just boring and predicatable.

[jarmo]

The way they worded it, it sounds like STP were huge.

STP were huge.  As was Nirvana.  As was Pearl Jam.  As was U2.  As was Vanilla Ice.  These are big names in popular music whether they were one hit wonders or not. 

Just because GNR were bigger, doesn't mean STP weren't "huge".  Eminem has outsold 2Pac, is 2Pac not considered "huge"?

I don't care if you're the president of the STP fan club, but the way that sentence is worded, to me it looks like it's supposed to make STP look bigger and more important than they actually were.


That's the only thing I pointed out.

I didn't compare them to other acts, just saying you could write the same kind of promotional thing for most artists.

C'mon! Comparing STP with Vanilla Ice? That's  just stupid! STP are no one hit wonder.

Clearly you didn't understand the point.




/jarmo

[COMAMOTIVE]

STP were good and will go down as a good band during a good era of music
I always thought the Purple album was their best - they changed it up and found a sound a bit different from Core

Their last album was clearly dogshit though......they should have let it just fade away

As for the article, it clearly does try to present them as being some kind of unstoppable force back then..which they never really were

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[stvyrayvhn]

Jarmo is right.  Sorry folks, Nirvana toppled the genre that GNR were in.  I don't like it either, I lived through it... The time was pretty amazing for music though, there was a lot of great music that came out from about 1988-1993.  STP was on top of the world for about a 5 year span starting at about 1992.  Yes, Vanilla Ice was extremely popular, even more so than GNR at one point and sold a HELL of a lot of records. 

This thread has become pretty comedic nonetheless.

[LunsJail]

I think it's a tough argument to say anyone toppled GNR. Around 91 or 92 they were the biggest band in the world. Their next album came out in 2008 (and no, I'm not counting Spaghetti). If anything they self imploded.

[One.In.A.Million]

I think it's a tough argument to say anyone toppled GNR. Around 91 or 92 they were the biggest band in the world. Their next album came out in 2008 (and no, I'm not counting Spaghetti). If anything they self imploded.

I agree, GN'R actually did something which was hard to do, which is to be a success in both decades. GN'R were actually bigger in the mainstream in 91-93, than they ever were back in 87-89.

I think that they started the dacade so well, that they never really knew where to go after that. So no, no one toppled GN'R, they simply ran out of petrol all by themselves. And it's not hard to understand why, when you think about the overwhelming success of the Illusions and then the subsequent 2 and a half year tour...

[LunsJail]

^^^^You're right, it's not hard to understand why. They went harder than anyone for several years. By 93, Steven was fired, Izzy had quit, Slash and Duff were in an alcoholic fog, and Axl had developed some Jesus ego complex. They just weren't able to pull it back together after that.

[Bodhi]

^^^^You're right, it's not hard to understand why. They went harder than anyone for several years. By 93, Steven was fired, Izzy had quit, Slash and Duff were in an alcoholic fog, and Axl had developed some Jesus ego complex. They just weren't able to pull it back together after that.

Any type of demise of the original line up had nothing to do with Nirvana and everything to do with Guns N Roses themselves.  Things were clearly not great between Axl, Slash and Duff at that point and it had nothing to do with the fact that Nirvana was popular.  Here is the proof..  Nirvana had ZERO effect on Metallica, Megadeth, or Aerosmiths success, had GNR put out a record in the mid 90's it would have done just as well as those bands did....multi-platinum.

[COMAMOTIVE]

^^^^You're right, it's not hard to understand why. They went harder than anyone for several years. By 93, Steven was fired, Izzy had quit, Slash and Duff were in an alcoholic fog, and Axl had developed some Jesus ego complex. They just weren't able to pull it back together after that.

Any type of demise of the original line up had nothing to do with Nirvana and everything to do with Guns N Roses themselves.  Things were clearly not great between Axl, Slash and Duff at that point and it had nothing to do with the fact that Nirvana was popular.  Here is the proof..  Nirvana had ZERO effect on Metallica, Megadeth, or Aerosmiths success, had GNR put out a record in the mid 90's it would have done just as well as those bands did....multi-platinum.

My son heard this nonsense somewhere too and asked me about how Nirvana ended Gnr...I had to teach the fine lad a little history, starting with the fact that Gnr basically ended Hair Metal ...and that cannot be disputed. Went on to say that while those hair bands collapsed, during the height of the grunge days, there was plenty of room for all different styles, despite the fact that many bands did go out of their way to sound grunge.

[LIGuns]

STP to be playing w/ Steven Tyler on American Idol...Judas Priest, Bono/Edge,Lady Gaga there as well..Pretty high profile gig....