Patience ripped off from Tesla?

[FunkyMonkey]

From Slash:

I heard that one of the guys from Tesla claimed GNR stole "Patience" from them. I'm assuming he's smoking super crack. Or dreaming out loud. Iii|; ),

I didn't hear the actual interview so I won't jump to conclusions based on hearsay. I'll just make emotiphants! ,/( _ [ ' \J

about 6 hours ago via Facebook

[faldor]

A couple of tweets from Eddie Trunk on the matter.

therealedtrunk Eddie Trunk   
The original Guns lineup not happy that Frank Hannon said part of "Patience" was lifted from one of their demos on TMS.

Steven Adler said on ET Live Monday it was written by Izzy in 1983. Heard from Slash about it to. Glad its not something I said for a change

I think Frank was trying to stir stuff up because it was the Throwdown, but he did say it so its up to him to clarify if he wants.

Guess I should be honored the Guns guys spent Thanksgiving watching me.... Crazy

[FunkyMonkey]

Thanks faldor, and not to seem critical of Eddie Trunk, but...

Glad its not something I said for a change

Yeah, you just said "Sue their asses?

Guess I should be honored the Guns guys spent Thanksgiving watching me.... Crazy

This was reported in a number of places.  Slash obviously got it elsewhere, if he was watching the show he wouldn't have said "I didn't hear the actual interview so I won't jump to conclusions based on hearsay."

[faldor]

Thanks faldor, and not to seem critical of Eddie Trunk, but...

Glad its not something I said for a change

Yeah, you just said "Sue their asses”

Guess I should be honored the Guns guys spent Thanksgiving watching me.... Crazy

This was reported in a number of places.  Slash obviously got it elsewhere, if he was watching the show he wouldn't have said "I didn't hear the actual interview so I won't jump to conclusions based on hearsay."

Well, Steven has said he's an avid watcher of the show, but in turn I think Eddie said that Steven said he heard it from Slash.  So I'm guessing Eddie just made the conclusion that Slash had heard it by watching the show first, then told Steven.  And the "sue their asses" comment was completely made in jest.

[FunkyMonkey]

So I'm guessing Eddie just made the conclusion that Slash had heard it by watching the show first, then told Steven. 

Slash says he didn't see the show/interview

Slash: "I didn't hear the actual interview so I won't jump to conclusions based on hearsay. I'll just make emotiphants! ,/( _ [ ' \J"

And the "sue their asses" comment was completely made in jest.

I'm not so sure, I watched the interview, he was pretty quick to add that comment.

[WTTJ_91]

Just with the song being Written by Izzy, is enough proof for anyone that GN'R copied no one. Izzy is a songwriting powerhouse, and all his work is as original as you can get.

Izzy wrote the main chord progression in Patience, and Patience is a credit to Izzy's amazing songwriting capabilities. These Tesla guys were just having some fun, in relation to the throwdown aspect of the segment.

Don't mean to be a jack ass here...but Don't Cry much?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2CnPkzO53k

It's way to similar for Guns to have not noticed/cared...but that intro is essentially Don't Cry. It's bound for certain chord progression to end up a like. You have 24 notes on a guitar, maybe 6-7 notes in a scale, narrow it down to the same genre. It's inevitable.

The guitar is not the same as GN'Rs don't cry, but maybe the vocals and Ooohhs in the Hanoi song, can be heard in the guitar arrangment in Don't Cry.

For example, when Axl sings "There's a heaven above you baby" in Don't Cry. The guitar chords does sound exactly like the OOoohs in the Hanoi song, but it's not the same guitar work.

But Izzy probably did get ideas from this song, as he makes no secret that he's a massive Hanoi Rocks fan. But thanks, for posting that , because I had no idea of that comparison until today. 

The descending lick on the C chord is the same...I know this only because I play guitar. It wasn't a slight at Izzy at all, just one of those things where you pick up on your influences and have no idea! That and I never had a reason to refer to Hanoi's song unitl now!

[FunkyMonkey]

SLASH Says FRANK HANNON Was 'Dreaming' When He Accused GUNS N' ROSES Of Ripping Off TESLA - Nov. 29, 2010

During an appearance on the November 13 episode of VH1 Classic's "That Metal Show", TESLA guitarist Frank Hannon accused GUNS N' ROSES of ripping off an early TESLA track for the GN'R classic "Patience". (See video below starting at around the 41-minute, 40-second mark.)

TESLA and GUNS N' ROSES were both signed to Geffen Records by the label's then-A&R executive Tom Zutaut. TESLA's debut album, "Mechanical Resonance", came out in 1986, while GUNS N' ROSES' first LP, "Appetite For Destruction", followed a year later.

Said Hannon: "Let me tell you something: 'Patience'... We were labelmates with GUNS N' ROSES on Geffen. There's a demo of a song that we wrote called 'Better Off Without You'. It is 'Patience' note for note . . . I don't know if they ripped us off or Tom Zutaut or Geffen or somebody passed them the tape."

In response, former GUNS N' ROSES guitarist Slash wrote on his Facebook page, "I heard that one of the guys from TESLA claimed GN'R stole 'Patience' from them. I'm assuming he's smoking super crack. Or dreaming out loud . . . I didn't hear the actual interview so I won't jump to conclusions based on hearsay. I'll just make emotiphants!"

In the meantime, Hannon took to TESLA's official forum to clarify the comments he made on "That Metal Show", explaining, "The demo of 'Better Off Without You' I was talking about is an acoustic guitar version we did live at the Oasis Ballroom in 1985 that Geffen Records had on a 'live' cassette tape of a show we played. They did make some copies of it with labels on them and handed them out to people before we made our first album. If anyone can find one, that would be awesome. I was not talking about the piano version that's floating around on a bootleg.

"Also, for the record: 'Better Off Without You' is a song in 'D' and it does the 'D/F#-to-G' chord change in it. This is also the same type of change that GN'R used at the end of 'Patience' and also the same change that John Lennon uses in 'Imagine'...

"I do not seriously feel that we wrote 'Patience' in ANY WAY.

"The song 'Patience' is a great song that they [GUNS N' ROSES] wrote themselves, and it is only the end part that has any similar part to the guitar chords we used.

"I apologize for any controversy or disrespect I may have projected in my joking around with Eddie Trunk ['That Metal Show' co-host] about this."

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=150099

[FunkyMonkey]

TESLA's HANNON Says He Was 'Just Joking' When He Accused GUNS N' ROSES Off Ripping His Band Off - Dec. 6, 2010

On December 3, TESLA guitarist Frank Hannon went on the air on Santa Rosa, California's 101.7 The Fox radio station inside the "Less Is More Lounge" to clarify comments he made during a recent episode of VH1 Classic's "That Metal Show" when accused GUNS N' ROSES of ripping off an early TESLA track for the GN'R classic "Patience". Watch video footage of his appearance below.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=150474

[One.In.A.Million]

Haha, that Tesla guy seems really embarrased about that comment he made. But in his defence the riff is similar, but he should not have said the comment about GN'R copying them, as that obviously wasn't the case.

I like how the radio DJ, takes the piss out of the Telsa guy even more by saying has his song got any whistling in it, and everybody in the studio starts laughing. 

But seriously, not a big deal, yes the riff is similar, but he shouldn't of said what he said about GN'R period.