The 2010/2011 NBA Season Thread

[C0ma]

I tend to hate generational debates because it is hard to compare when there are changes in style, rules, nutrition, training etc... But I saw one comment that Dirk had the toughest schedule to a championship and no one faced tougher competition (even Jordan).

Umm... Jordan 90-91

Round 1: Knicks - Patrick Ewing (HOF), Mark Jackson, John Starks, Kiki Vandeweghe
Round 2: 76ers - Charles Barkley (HOF)
Round 3: Pistons (Back 2 Back Defending Champs) - Isiah Thomas (HOF), Joe Dumars (HOF), Dennis Rodman, Bill Laimbeer  ...Coach Chuck Daly (HOF)...
Round 4: Lakers - Magic Johnson (HOF), James Worthy (HOF), Byron Scott, Sam Perkins

During the 6 Championship Runs Jordan beat the following HOFers: Charles Barkley, Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, Patrick Ewing, Clyde Drexler, Magic Johnson, James Worthy, Dominique Wilkins, John Stockton, Karl Malone and at least 1 sure thing (Shaq). Plus a few HOF coaches.

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I tend to hate generational debates because it is hard to compare when there are changes in style, rules, nutrition, training etc... But I saw one comment that Dirk had the toughest schedule to a championship and no one faced tougher competition (even Jordan).

Umm... Jordan 90-91

Round 1: Knicks - Patrick Ewing (HOF), Mark Jackson, John Starks, Kiki Vandeweghe
Round 2: 76ers - Charles Barkley (HOF)
Round 3: Pistons (Back 2 Back Defending Champs) - Isiah Thomas (HOF), Joe Dumars (HOF), Dennis Rodman(HOF), Bill Laimbeer  ...Coach Chuck Daly (HOF)...
Round 4: Lakers - Magic Johnson (HOF), James Worthy (HOF), Byron Scott, Sam Perkins

During the 6 Championship Runs Jordan beat the following HOFers: Charles Barkley, Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, Patrick Ewing, Clyde Drexler, Magic Johnson, James Worthy, Dominique Wilkins, John Stockton, Karl Malone and at least 1 sure thing (Shaq). Plus a few HOF coaches.

Fixed it for ya Rodman is now  a HOF

U can't shit on Dirk though. True he didn't beat Jordan but he beat and outplayed ever top 5 star in the NBA to win title: Kobe,Durant,Wade,Lebron    thats pretty damn impressive.

[Bodhi]

I tend to hate generational debates because it is hard to compare when there are changes in style, rules, nutrition, training etc... But I saw one comment that Dirk had the toughest schedule to a championship and no one faced tougher competition (even Jordan).

Umm... Jordan 90-91

you can pretty much pencil Jordan for having a tough schedule for all 6 of his titles.  I know Malone gets crap for not getting a title but look at his 1998 Playoff run
1st round Olajuwon, Drexler, Barkely
2nd round Robinson, Duncan
West Finals Shaq, Kobe
 and finally the Finals, Jordan, Pippen and Rodman and the rest of the greatest team in NBA history
The Jazz went through 7 Hall of Famers before they got to the Finals.  I know Duncan and Kobe were young, but Duncan won the title the following year and Kobe's 3peat started the year after that and Shaq was in his prime. 

The 1995 Jazz who went 60-22 in the season had to play the defending champ Houston Rockets in the first round!

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Difference is, Jordan played from 96-98 with two other hall of famers and greatest coach of all time

Dirk didn't even have another All star on his team and his 2nd best player was injured

Thats big whether u guys want to give credit or not.

Stats are misleading.. Jordan beat Bird and Magic in 91 but it wasn't THE SAME bird and Magic.. they were clearly on the downside.

People discredit Wilt Chamberlain cause he had physical advantages over everyone in the league.

Jordan had same advantages as the league had nobody near his athletic ability in the backcourt.

NBA during Jordan's era was way more watered down then the league is now. U had Hall of Famers spread out throughout the league, most like Barkley on mediocre teams...

In 2011, u had some monster squads that would beat most teams not the 96-98 Chicago Bulls or those Shaq,Kobe 3 peat teams.

[gnr-4-ever]

Lockout has started.

[LongGoneDay]

Difference is, Jordan played from 96-98 with two other hall of famers and greatest coach of all time

Dirk didn't even have another All star on his team and his 2nd best player was injured

Thats big whether u guys want to give credit or not.

Stats are misleading.. Jordan beat Bird and Magic in 91 but it wasn't THE SAME bird and Magic.. they were clearly on the downside.

People discredit Wilt Chamberlain cause he had physical advantages over everyone in the league.

Jordan had same advantages as the league had nobody near his athletic ability in the backcourt.

NBA during Jordan's era was way more watered down then the league is now. U had Hall of Famers spread out throughout the league, most like Barkley on mediocre teams...

In 2011, u had some monster squads that would beat most teams not the 96-98 Chicago Bulls or those Shaq,Kobe 3 peat teams.

Dirk had a hell of a playoff run this year.
Jordan had 6 just like it.

[LunsJail]

Lockout has started.

That's fine. Wake me up next April when/if the playoffs start.

[gnr-4-ever]

 

[Bodhi]

Jordan had same advantages as the league had nobody near his athletic ability in the backcourt.

NBA during Jordan's era was way more watered down then the league is now. U had Hall of Famers spread out throughout the league, most like Barkley on mediocre teams...

In 2011, u had some monster squads that would beat most teams not the 96-98 Chicago Bulls or those Shaq,Kobe 3 peat teams.

holy shit D, I just saw this post now...I have nothing for this.  You are the ONLY one I have ever talked to that believes the NBA of today is even half what it was in the 80's and 90's, never mind actually better than it!!  I really have no words.  I think the fact that your favorite player of all-time plays today is really clouding your judgement.  The NBA of today is a disgrace compared to 1980-1998.

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Its cause i watch every game and pay close attention then and now.


NBA wasn't THAT great back then.. people have that nostalgic put everything on a pedestal nothing new can be better than old sydrome.

athletes today are far superior to the ones back then on a whole.

The top guys:Jordan,Larry,Magic were better than today's but overall talent from 1-100 is much better today than back then.

[faldor]

Its cause i watch every game and pay close attention then and now.


NBA wasn't THAT great back then.. people have that nostalgic put everything on a pedestal nothing new can be better than old sydrome.

athletes today are far superior to the ones back then on a whole.

The top guys:Jordan,Larry,Magic were better than today's but overall talent from 1-100 is much better today than back then.

I don't know about that.  Today's players are better "athletes", but they're not better players in my mind.  Guys either shoot 3's or drive to the hole.  The mid range game is basically non existent, outside of the elite players.  Also, with expansion and thus more players in the league the competition is a little watered down.  Although the influx of foreign players does even that out a bit.

[Bodhi]

Its cause i watch every game and pay close attention then and now.


NBA wasn't THAT great back then.. people have that nostalgic put everything on a pedestal nothing new can be better than old sydrome.

athletes today are far superior to the ones back then on a whole.

The top guys:Jordan,Larry,Magic were better than today's but overall talent from 1-100 is much better today than back then.

I don't know about that.  Today's players are better "athletes", but they're not better players in my mind.  Guys either shoot 3's or drive to the hole.  The mid range game is basically non existent, outside of the elite players.  Also, with expansion and thus more players in the league the competition is a little watered down.  Although the influx of foreign players does even that out a bit.

this is also a watered down league where you not allowed to play defense.  The players today would get the shit knocked out of them by the Charles Oakley style guys.  Jordan himself said he would either score a 100 points every game or foul out in 5 minutes in today's NBA.

[Bodhi]

people have that nostalgic put everything on a pedestal nothing new can be better than old sydrome.

oh I know you know all about this syndrome D, what with the Slash and Scott Weiland/Corey Taylor conversations we have had. 

[GeorgeSteele]

Just to throw in my 2 cents on old vs. new -- in every sport where results are objectively measured (track and field, swimming, etc.), athletes clearly are better now than they were in the past (clocks don't lie).  But when it comes to other sports, it's always the guys in the past were way better. 

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people have that nostalgic put everything on a pedestal nothing new can be better than old sydrome.

oh I know you know all about this syndrome D, what with the Slash and Scott Weiland/Corey Taylor conversations we have had. 

Didn't say I don't fall victim to it also.

Jordan beat a team in Utah that had Jeff Hornacek as its SG... are u kidding me? Michael never had anyone close to his athleticism and ability at his position which also helped him dominate.

Look at the NBA today??  Back then most great players were centers... today its spread around
  Jordan never faced a Kobe Bryant or Dwyane Wade type adversary at his position. Drexler back in 92 closest but no way Clyde was better than Kobe or Wade.

[faldor]

people have that nostalgic put everything on a pedestal nothing new can be better than old sydrome.

oh I know you know all about this syndrome D, what with the Slash and Scott Weiland/Corey Taylor conversations we have had. 

Didn't say I don't fall victim to it also.

Jordan beat a team in Utah that had Jeff Hornacek as its SG... are u kidding me? Michael never had anyone close to his athleticism and ability at his position which also helped him dominate.

Look at the NBA today??  Back then most great players were centers... today its spread around
  Jordan never faced a Kobe Bryant or Dwyane Wade type adversary at his position. Drexler back in 92 closest but no way Clyde was better than Kobe or Wade.

Athleticism doesn't always equate to being a good basketball player.  Larry Bird couldn't jump much more than six inches off the ground yet he was one of the best to ever play the game.  Then you have these freakish athletes that never become anything.  Kedrick Brown, Gerald Green, Harold Miner, etc. could supposedly jump out of the gym.  What are they doing these days exactly?  Kobe and Wade are arguably two of the top 3 players in the league.  No disrespect to Clyde Drexler, but I don't know if he was ever top 3 in his day.  I don't really see that as a fair comparison.  However, I think he'd hold his own.

[Bodhi]

people have that nostalgic put everything on a pedestal nothing new can be better than old sydrome.

oh I know you know all about this syndrome D, what with the Slash and Scott Weiland/Corey Taylor conversations we have had. 

Didn't say I don't fall victim to it also.

Jordan beat a team in Utah that had Jeff Hornacek as its SG... are u kidding me? Michael never had anyone close to his athleticism and ability at his position which also helped him dominate.

Its not a one on one game!  Bryon Russell was the one who played on Jordan anyway, and I know he is known for Jordan making that shot over him, but there was a reason Russell was on him in the first place, he was a damn good defender.

So you are saying that Jordan beat a weak team in Utah? Are you fucking kidding me?  Look at all the teams the Spurs beat for their titles in your supposed superior NBA!  Those 90's runner ups like Phoenix, Utah, Seattle and Orlando were better than most of the NBA Champions from this era.  The Lakers and Spurs beat some real shitty teams to win all those rings the last 10 years.  The 01 Sixers, 02 Nets, 07 Cavs might be the 3 worst teams to ever make it to the NBA Finals.

The NBA has been completely stripped down, watered down, whatever you want to call it.  You can't play defense anymore, players flop or try to draw a charge instead of playing real D and going for the block, like a man.  Not to mention they hop from team to team to find the easiest way to win a title.  The NBA is full of twats now...

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Yes they did but getting out of the West was the NBA title.

Today in 2011 NBA is at its highest peak. u have enough talent where 5-6 teams have legit title shots.

That Barkley lead Phoenix team wouldn't be top 5 this past year.

[Bodhi]

Yes they did but getting out of the West was the NBA title.

Today in 2011 NBA is at its highest peak. u have enough talent where 5-6 teams have legit title shots.

That Barkley lead Phoenix team wouldn't be top 5 this past year.

haha dude I can't...i just have no words.. That Barkley team would have probably won the whole thing this year...convincingly.   I'm not talking about this anymore, because we are never going to agree.  I will say that everyone I know who followed the NBA hardcore in the 90's stopped watching it because the quality of play is shit compared to then, and it is a pussy league with the foul calls and lack of defense.  I am one of the few people I know who still loves the game and follows it, even though I miss the 80's and 90's badly.

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Phoenix had Barkley,Kevin Johnson ,Danny Ainge and Dan Majerle
Who did Phoenix beat?? Magic was gone with aids... Portland were old.... Houston were just coming into their own...
They wouldn't stand a chance against Kobe/Shaq Lakers, 08-09 Lakers or last seasons Celtics or this year's Mavs.