2000-2001 GN'R

[Duke Nukem]

Buckethead, Brain and Robin was all over Chinese Democracy, so they have hardly vanished. And for the record, Robin never left on the eve of CD's release. He was announced in March or April I believe, to be re-joining NIN, so a good 8 months before CD was released.

What does their presence on Chinese Democracy have to do with their present status now? They're gone and that's reality, regardless of what album they contributed to.

Considering the lenghthy weight for Chinese Democracy, eight months prior wasn't very much time prior to the album release.

Some of you forget that Robin and Brain have gave 10+ years to GN'R, just as much as Slash and Duff. They worked on alot of material with Axl, during the silent years.

This has nothing to do with any ex-members. Can't you see that? It's about supporting the current band, not trolling for an ex-member's return.

Which will be all used for future GN'R releases if Rons' latest comments are anything to go by.

Please don't put words in BBF's mouth that he never said. He said there is no new material other than unreleased Chinese Democracy era songs. He didn't say that those songs wouldn't be re-worked or re-recorded. 

If GN'R was actively touring, or had a release date for the album, in early 08. I honestly feel Robin would still be there, he just wants to play music and tour. But you had to understand it all went silent again in late 07. So Robin made a decision based on past experiences, he never took the decision lightly.

Could you please quote where Robin ever said any such thing? Where did he say he left the band due to 2007 silence? As far as I can recall, the band successfully toured in 2007, so that would have been an odd reason for him to leave.   

I'm not tempting fate here, but before disregarding Robin, Bucket and Brain. Just have think to yourself if DJ will still be there in 10 years time, if there are as many silent years as there was in the last decade. 

It doesn't seem like you are very supportive or interested in the current band based on these type of negative comments. So, because you "assume" that years of silence will follow, we should expect that DJ won't be around long? Please. 

[Voodoochild]

Talking about trolling...

You've been doing exactly the same thing all over the board complaining about people's REALISTIC predictions about the presence of ex-members in a new album. Keep in mind, ex-members that WROTE the new songs, not the ones who left 10 years ago and had no credits nor anything to do with the last studio album.

Either you like it or not, you can't disput the fact that Buckethead was still all over Chinese Democracy even if he left 4 years before. Robin and Brain were also gone by the time they released it. See, that's a pattern in here.

We all know how it's very likely that DJ would record at least something on an eventual new album. But that doesn't mean Robin wouldnt also be there. Bitch all you want, he'll most likely be there.


And please, don't even start to call One.In.A.Million a non-supportive fan. He's been around here way longer than you and went to see the CURRENT lineup many many times - yeah, he could afford it, but still means he cares enough.

[One.In.A.Million]

Alot of your counter arguments are funny at best, and you talk about me putting words into peoples mouths. When Robin went to NIN, CD had no release date, thus Robin couldn't have known it was going to be released 8 months prior. Also GN'R never toured until a year after the release, what did you want Robin to do, sit at home waiting for the call. Axl has never slammed Robin or talked bad about him, so it seems like he understands to a certain extent why he did it.

And notice I said late 2007, 3-4months after the Asia tour finished, it went silent again, was you even a fan back then. 

And I never put no words into Rons' mouth, I have met him twice in person, and would never do that. I simply stated that there is a good chance alot of the old unreleased CD songs will be used in relation to the next album. Or at least the framework of them, which is not an over exaggeration based on Rons comments. And you also have to factor in Axls' comments over the last 5 years, which he also indicates, that the left over unreleased songs will be carried over.

In relation to your last childish comment about me not being interested in the current band. I flew half way across the world sonny in Jan, to see them in Toronto, Canada. Don't lecture me about supporting, because I support the band and have an opinion, see?. I stated how Robin and Brain, have been through alot in the last 10 years with GN'R, all the good, bad and ugly. But they stuck with Axl for well over a decade, and DJ has been there for a year and a half so far. So it's hardly being unsupportive to want to acknowledge people like Robin, Dizzy, Brain, Tommy and Chris who was there in the 'Nu' era from the beginning.

I saw GN'R 13 times in 2006, and a further 10 times in 2010, so don't throw around words like supportive like you understand what they mean.

I'm sure that will give your opinionated ass, something to read in class. 

[Duke Nukem]

Alot of your counter arguments are funny at best, and you talk about me putting words into peoples mouths. When Robin went to NIN, CD had no release date, thus Robin couldn't have known it was going to be released 8 months prior. Also GN'R never toured until a year after the release, what did you want Robin to do, sit at home waiting for the call. Axl has never slammed Robin or talked bad about him, so it seems like he understands to a certain extent why he did it.

Funny. Here you are "assuming" you know how Axl feels. I recall Axl saying that Robin's departure left the band in kind of an awkward situation when he departed. 

Nonetheless, this has nothing to do with Robin or his talent. It has everything to do with supporting the band that we have now and being supportive of the fact that Axl selected a great replacement for him.

And notice I said late 2007, 3-4months after the Asia tour finished, it went silent again, was you even a fan back then. 

Childish comment. Especailly considering I am 11 years older than you and have been following the band since the late eighties.   

And I never put no words into Rons' mouth, I have met him twice in person, and would never do that. I simply stated that there is a good chance alot of the old unreleased CD songs will be used in relation to the next album. Or at least the framework of them, which is not an over exaggeration based on Rons comments.

Actually, you did put words in Ron's mouth that he never stated. Here they are again, just in case you forgot:

Some of you forget that Robin and Brain have gave 10+ years to GN'R, just as much as Slash and Duff. They worked on alot of material with Axl, during the silent years. Which will be all used for future GN'R releases if Rons' latest comments are anything to go by.

Remember now? Ron never said that the Chinese era songs wouldn't be re-recorded. He only stated that Chinese era songs was all that they currently have available. You simply attempted to twist his words to further your pro ex-member agenda instead of supporting the band that we have now. 

I saw GN'R 13 times in 2006, and a further 10 times in 2010, so don't throw around words like supportive like you understand what they mean.

I've been following the band since the late eighties and have seen them live 18 times since the early nineties. I've purchased all their albums, memorabillia, and fully intend to see as many shows as possible if/when they tour the US in 2011. I'd say that makes me a supportive fan of Guns N Roses. Oh, and I'm extremely happy with the band that we have today and don't feel the need to troll fansites calling for ex-members to be featured on future albums when we have a great band who are more than capable.

I'm sure that will give your opinionated ass, something to read in class. 

What class? I graduated college 10 years ago. I can't believe I am being insulted just for being a fan of the current band. I love the current lineup. I loved Chinese and all of Robin Bucket, and Brain's contributions. However, I choose to live in the now and accept that these ex-members are no longer part of the band. I have absolutely no problem should Axl choose to use a solo of fill of one of the ex-members for a future album, but that would be Axl's decision. I think it's wrong when "fans" like you and Voodoo troll with your ex-member wishes when we have a great band who are currently on tour supporting Axl, the band, and its fans.

Please feel free to continue attacking me just for being a fan of the band that I thought we were all here to support. 

[One.In.A.Million]

Jesus Christ, somebody give me some Jagermeister, this guys sending me crazy...

I'm not going to say alot as I'm done arguing with you, and before I start look at the title of the damn thread. It's about 2001 era GN'R, so me and Voodoo have every right to talk about players like Robin Finck and Buckethead.

And since you Graduated you must know that saying "Judging by his (Rons') latest comments". Means that you are making assumptions based on them comments, and you are not saying that those comments you state have came from the objects mouth directly.

Since Ron mentioned unreleased Chinese Democracy tracks, and also re-recording in the same comment. One can make the assumption that they will be used on the next record, whether some parts will be re-recorded like Ron also said, who knows. And I came to that conclusion by taking Rons' comments, and making a likely assumptive comment based on Rons' words, I never once said that he said what I stated, I said judging from what Ron said, so please don't put words into my mouth.

Me and Voodoo, never go into the ex gunners section, simply to troll Slash threads for the fun of it. You are trolling this thread because you can blatantly see what the subject is, and you choose to come in and put your negative spin on every word.

I'll let Voodoo have is say, before I post in this thread again, I'm done arguing with someone who obviously has an agenda. 

[Voodoochild]

Nah man, Im not gonna waste my time with this guy. He was the one who showed up here in this thread to complain about people's personal taste, but now he's calling US troll. That was cute.

Also funny is how he's trying to put us as people who are against the current lineup AND against them rerecording things, when all we said was that we expect to see ex-members on a next release.

Im done with this troll. Im not here to waste my time with this kind of twisted bullshit.

[Gezzy]

I love the mystery that surrounded 2001/2002 shows, I'm slightly disappointed that Robin left because I enjoyed his work on Chi Dem and his take on the old songs.

I feel that DJ kinda brings more 'fun' to this line up, does that make sense?
The stage and lighting design seems to be more energised and more colour on this tour than any other.

[One.In.A.Million]

I love the mystery that surrounded 2001/2002 shows, I'm slightly disappointed that Robin left because I enjoyed his work on Chi Dem and his take on the old songs.

I feel that DJ kinda brings more 'fun' to this line up, does that make sense?
The stage and lighting design seems to be more energised and more colour on this tour than any other.

That's true about the lighting and video being the most advanced yet. In 2006 I could take pictures fine with my N70, but this year I had to mature and take better photos. As the light was another factor which was against me, 9 times out of 10, the picture would be blured, simply because there was so much light.

But I do like the video screens and animations they have made in this tour. One that stands out is at the start of Chinese Democracy, when the GN'R logo slowly turns around exposing itself to the audience. 

[gunns1]

Really looking forward to Buckets contributions on the next album, cant wait for soul monster (sounds like Shacklers evil twin) and the general,
im also intrigued and curious to hear some of Richards fine work on the next album as well.

There the 2 guitarists im looking forward to hearing more of most.
That doesn't make me a hater of the current band, its just my genuine feelings on the situation.

[Voodoochild]

Thats alright dude.

I look foward to hear some lead by Richard. I thought he would have at least the SOD outro in the album, but he may have only come up with the idea (in 2002)  but then got Bucket to record it. I dunno, thats just my impression from the song's evolution back then.

[gunns1]

Thats alright dude.

I look foward to hear some lead by Richard. I thought he would have at least the SOD outro in the album, but he may have only come up with the idea (in 2002)  but then got Bucket to record it. I dunno, thats just my impression from the song's evolution back then.

Yeah its a shame Richard isn't more prominent in CD, but im holding out high expectations for him on cd2 which I know he can deliver,
hell I even think  Buckets best work is yet to come with songs like soul monster/ the general, sound very bucketesque ;p

good things await us Im sure...

[One.In.A.Million]

Thats alright dude.

I look foward to hear some lead by Richard. I thought he would have at least the SOD outro in the album, but he may have only come up with the idea (in 2002)  but then got Bucket to record it. I dunno, thats just my impression from the song's evolution back then.

Yeah its a shame Richard isn't more prominent in CD, but im holding out high expectations for him on cd2 which I know he can deliver,
hell I even think  Buckets best work is yet to come with songs like soul monster/ the general, sound very bucketesque ;p

good things await us Im sure...

Yes exactly, you can't help but get excited when you think about all of the song titles Axl has mentioned since 2001. I know we probably won't hear all of the material recorded between 2001-2006, but you can bet we will hear a substantial amount.

We can dream...

[Voodoochild]

There's also songs from 1999, like Atlas Shrugged (if I'm not mistaken).

[One.In.A.Million]

Also I want to point out, is that the 2001 - 2002 lineup had probably the most pressure of any GN'R lineup ever. They had to go out there to represent the Guns N' Roses name, after being inactive since 93 (touring wise). They had to put up with the media comparing them to 93 era GN'R night after night.

The GN'R of today can soldier on knowing that the 'new' Guns N' Roses have toured since 2001. Don't get me wrong, there still must be alot of pressure up there, when you have the odd fans, or reviewers pining for the old band. But the 2001-02 era GN'R had to face all of this for the first time since, the 'old' era.

[Voodoochild]

I agree. They needed to deal with a lot stronger skepticism. Also had a great pressure when they played the new songs - remember, those were their debut, there were no leaks back then and OMG wasnt really being considered as a sample of the whole material.

Having said that, I must say those were some of the most exciting times to be a fan. When I heard Riad for the first time (a couple of days before the RIR gig) in January 2001 I was so shocked on how good it sounded I got really won over the new band. I loved OMG, but that was the first time I really recognized the new stuff as coming from a real band.

[Limulus]

the weaker Axl 01/02 voice, the "so-so" VMA'02 and the cancelled 2002 tour didnt help in this aswell IMO.

[Voodoochild]

If by "weaker" you say his voice without rasp, I agree. But I also feel that's when he reached his highest notes - he could pull off the new songs way easier than nowadays.

[One.In.A.Million]

the weaker Axl 01/02 voice, the "so-so" VMA'02 and the cancelled 2002 tour didnt help in this aswell IMO.

You are talking about stuff that happened in between 2001-2002, I'm on about before they even did any live shows. They had alot to live up to, the first big comeback of a band the status of GN'R, and they put themselves out there to represent that brand.

They knew the criticism they would get before even striking a note, but they still took the challenge on.

[Limulus]

But the 2001-02 era GN'R had to face all of this for the first time since, the 'old' era.

then ^^this part of your post is not too exact - because they did shows in 2001/02. anyway the pressure might have been even bigger when being actual on stage during the first shows (than off stage), exspecially during the (nearly) worldwide tv broadcast of vma02 and the reviews from that.

@Voodoochild:
yes, i've meant the missing rasp there, it didnt do that good for most of the old songs (IMO), those were the ones people would re-compare with prevoius times at first. because whats new.....well, is unheard and new?! though i mostly agree with the 01/02 voice and the newer songs compared to post 5/2006 it also could be that we would think different when we wouldnt have heard those songs with the 01/02 voice in the first place (but then again i think a lot of the "unraspy" voice made its way on CD so we're comparing to studio versions often).

[Voodoochild]

I never disliked his voice in 01/02. IHMO, the Vegas 2000 was one of his best shows ever. People would complain about it also because they felt the need to bash Axl and the new band - I remember back in the early 90s when people complained about too much rasp (like in Tokyo 92) and called him Donald Duck. 10 years later, people called him Mickey Mouse.