Guns N' Roses - Dublin, Ireland Sept. 1st 2010

[BumbleBuzz]

I'm Irish and I'm pissed off because I really wanted to see this band perform in my home city again and when they came out, late, I accepted it. But they were off the stage for more like 40 minutes and I could have stayed - and missed the last bus, without the money to walk home - or I could have gone and thought, at least I have a ticket to Manchester. I took the latter option, but I still believe wholeheartedly in a refund, no performer deserves to be abused the way Axl was last night....none...BUT the promoters should have called it a day there and then as opposed to trying to coax Axl back on

This led to several situations

1. Those who left had no re entry to the gig if they tried to get in
2. Those who already got the last bus because they depended on public transport (and the 02 Arena is in an isolated area and this is mid week so no night buses etc) had no option to go back
3. 02 Security told people to go home
4. There were 2 announcements made, at which point the houselights came up, and there were no further announcements made before Axl came back on...therefore there was a good 20 minutes during which the house lights were up and nobody had any information other then to sit and see what happens while morons in the crowd got restless and started jeering and shouting
5. Axl's performance, when he returned - looking at YouTube footage - was atrocious, he was not in good spirits, and the remainder of the audience did not get a good performance and he left the country almost straight after the gig. But since he played the promoters now have this loophole that they don't have to issue a refund despite how much of a shambles and continually delayed the performance was

[jacdaniel]

Nevertheless, there was never an issue with the show continuing until 1 o'clock. If the representives of the venue made it clear that there would be no curfew and cars wouldn't get locked into the car parks at the venue, it would have resolved the situation. A lot of people felt they wouldn't get a full show especially after what happened at Reading, and there was a lot of uncertainty. Anyway, just wanted to explain why the support act went on when they did.

Then when Axl left, the venue Security shouldn't have been telling people to leave until they were sure the gig was over. These are things people are annoyed about.

Totally agree.  The crowd had plenty of reason's to be worried.
most people thought there was a curfew and were afraid of the plug being pulled or their cars getting locked in a car park.  Some were even threatened with fine's.

The information staff gave people wasnt consistent.  Maybe they began changing their stories cos the band were later than they'd hoped... i dont know.

But the whole thing was a mess.  reading through some forums today and it looks like some people are concerned about buying tickets for upcoming shows.

[Jamie]

In relation to jamies statement that only the real fucking fans were left is utter bollox .

I left when the house lights came on as i really felt uncomfortable with the way things were brewing.........simple as.

I firmly belived we were going to have a st louis pt2.

Whereas I'm sure some real GnR fans left before the band went back on what I meant was, there were no shit stirrers left when the band went back on, there wasnt a single person, that I heard anyways, booing and acting the prick when the band went back on, so the dickheads who think it's funny to throw bottles and chant we want slash had all left. So I stand by what I said. And I was right at the front of the stage, so I had worries about a nasty situation breaking out too, I seen a guy jump the barricades saying he was going to kill Axl, so what I did was just drop back to about the middle of the crowd and stood there waiting for an announcement, definitively telling us the show was over, which didnt come, so I seen the rest of the show, at a safe distance from the stage.

[14 Yrs Of Silence]

Security really needs to do a better job...no bottles, and beer should be served in cups only.  Why would anyone pay money to see a show and then assault the band?  These are assholes looking for attention, anyway they can get it. Think its funny and they can tell their friends how they almost caused Axl to start a riot or something.  Axl and band, I cannot say enough about your professionalism, despite the all bullshit and piss thrown your way!  

[One.In.A.Million]

I'm still in Ireland Dublin (managed to find an internet cafe), Greg has just left for the airport, I'm on the flight after him back to Birmingham UK. I was with Greg as he was updating, and congrats to him as it was getting abit pushy where we was. I've had an amazing time in Dublin and want to thank Greg for being a cool touring buddy.

As we was coming out of the airport, Greg spotted the GN'R Jet on the runway. I took a photo but it's a bit blured, will upload when I get home, you can see the jet but not in great detail. Then I checked into my hotel and met Greg again an hour later, for pre show drinks. There wasn't a whole lot of people in the bar, but still a fare few. Had a chat with a guy who brought his son to his first ever show, a good way to break him in.

Then we headed for the show, got into the venue where I brought a shirt, and then we tried to get a good spot. (Danko Jones had already started). We got somewhere in the centre and as Danko Jones said his praises for Dublin, the crowd was getting excited. Danko played a really good set and set the stage nicely for Guns N' Roses.

The GN'R techs were setting up the equipment, and at this time, people started to get a little crazy. After the equipment was ready and things were in place. Bumble stood on the edge of the stage while the intro music was playing, it seemed like he was shocked to hear it come on.

Then the show, which I'm sure everybody knows about. The first four songs was insane, a really rough crowd, but hey I wasn't complaining. Then the bottle and Axl rightfully goes backstage. Then as the crew was trying to get the stage safe again, more bottles were thrown by idiots. When bottles are being thrown the artist doesn't need to put himself in possible danger, simple as. I was ready for the show to be rightfully over, but to GN'Rs credit, they came back on and rocked people faces off. In my view it was a GN'R victory in the face of opposing forces. The band once again was tight as fuck and played every song to perfection.

Then just as we was coming out of the venue we saw a black escort coming out the side entrance, which must have been literally 10 mins after Guns came offstage. It had a strong chance of being Axl as there was security escorts with walkie talkies surrounding the vehicle.

It really was an awesome show and one I'll never forget, thanks to everyone who made it special.

 

I'll post more about the show including GN'Rs epic performance when I'm in the UK later.

[norway]

LOL LOL Axl just stands there, <3 the walkoff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyZLIQ-WO1A

[whoareyou]

Every other band can do it, why not GNR??

 
If the opening act is still on at 9PM, maybe you need to take a hint and realize that maybe the headliner won't be done at 11PM as you had hoped.

/jarmo

But by then its far too late for anyone to anything.

[D]

yeah but have Metallica ever had bottles thrown at them? have other  bands had the same problem is what i am asking? and there were 3 bottles thrown right?

so at most 3 people threw bottles.

so that is far from everyone or a high number.

GNR played Leeds in the pouring rain and Axl had no problems moving all over the stage.

Because it's quite obvious from what people have said here that it wasn't water or even beer that was being thrown. I sure as hell wouldn't stand around while bottles of piss were being thrown at me and I don't really know anyone else who would either. So why the fuck should the band have to deal with it?

if u have read my posts, which u obviously haven't,  i have said the bottle throwing is unacceptable. People are just giving these excuses why he stood in the back and sang the songs and i just don't buy it. the rest of the band were moving all over the stage etc. He was obviously pissed and rightfully so but don't try and tell me he stood for fear of slipping.

I'm not blaming anyone but 4 Euro shows, 3 controversies............ will the trend continue? i certainly hope not.

The Dublin promoter should've came out after Danko and announced to the crowd that c urfew was lifted and the car park would not be locked and maybe they should arrange a special late night bus service in advance. All of that would've alleviated the hostility and fear in the crowd im sure. people understand 11pm curfew midnight lockage... so in their minds,they are probably thinking they spent all this money for a 40 min show.. they've read all the BS in the press about the Reading thing... and im sure they feared something similar. if the promoter comes out and assures the crowd a full show will happen, id almost bet things would've went a lot smoother.

[jarmo]

This thing has been exaggerated, as usual when it's Axl or GN'R related.

I'm sure in a few months it will be reported that "Axl was six hours late"....


Dankoe Jones ended their set around 9:10. Then you have at least 30-45 minutes for the change over. That makes it closer to 10PM...

If all goes well.

The GN'R show started around 10:20PM.






/jarmo

[chineseblues]

yeah but have Metallica ever had bottles thrown at them? have other  bands had the same problem is what i am asking? and there were 3 bottles thrown right?

so at most 3 people threw bottles.

so that is far from everyone or a high number.

GNR played Leeds in the pouring rain and Axl had no problems moving all over the stage.

Because it's quite obvious from what people have said here that it wasn't water or even beer that was being thrown. I sure as hell wouldn't stand around while bottles of piss were being thrown at me and I don't really know anyone else who would either. So why the fuck should the band have to deal with it?

if u have read my posts, which u obviously haven't,  i have said the bottle throwing is unacceptable. People are just giving these excuses why he stood in the back and sang the songs and i just don't buy it. the rest of the band were moving all over the stage etc. He was obviously pissed and rightfully so but don't try and tell me he stood for fear of slipping.

I'm not blaming anyone but 4 Euro shows, 3 controversies............ will the trend continue? i certainly hope not.

I actually did read your posts which is why I was responding to this one about the bottles being thrown and getting wet "like it was rain."

As for why Axl stood still throughout the rest of the show, you're damn right he was pissed. I don't think I would want to finish a show either after having to put up with being pelted with piss bottles. There is only so much someone is willing to take in those kinds of situations and it is very obvious Axl was at his limit and I don't blame him.

[14 Yrs Of Silence]

Figure out other arrangements for getting home otherwise don't go to the show?  Why is it people have no problem hanging out a bar til 3am, but GNR goes on stage at 10:30 and people are up in arms?  Enjoy the downtime before the show starts.  Have a drink.  Socialize!  WTF is everyone complaining about?  If I see GN'R, I might take the next day off work, its a holiday, they don't come through that often, enjoy the experience.  

[D]

Figure out other arrangements for getting home otherwise don't go to the show?  Why is it people have no problem hanging out a bar til 3am, but GNR goes on stage at 10:30 and people are up in arms?  Enjoy the downtime before the show starts.  Have a drink.  Socialize!  WTF is everyone complaining about?  If I see GN'R, I might take the next day off work, its a holiday, they don't come through that often, enjoy the experience.  

Yeah but here they were under the impression the car park would be locked at midnight. which is why if the promoter would've cleared all that up with the curfew and the car park.. it probably takes away some of the anxiety/hostility.

[chineseblues]

Figure out other arrangements for getting home otherwise don't go to the show?  Why is it people have no problem hanging out a bar til 3am, but GNR goes on stage at 10:30 and people are up in arms?  Enjoy the downtime before the show starts.  Have a drink.  Socialize!  WTF is everyone complaining about?  If I see GN'R, I might take the next day off work, its a holiday, they don't come through that often, enjoy the experience.  

Exactly! It's not like the band plays a city 4 or 5 times a year. It's one night every few years so what's the big deal? Take the next day off of work and enjoy the show, that is after all what it is suppose to be about. It's a little bit of an escape from whatever else you have going on in your life, so enjoy it.

[D]

well its almost turned into like internet message forum trolls whose sole purpose in life is to get a rise and piss off people for attention.

U have these scumbag pathetic losers who go with the sole intention of trying to piss Axl off thus giving themselves satisfaction and a memory to brag about forever to other losers.

"I pissed off Axl Rose and caused him to walk offstage"

[jarmo]

Figure out other arrangements for getting home otherwise don't go to the show?  Why is it people have no problem hanging out a bar til 3am, but GNR goes on stage at 10:30 and people are up in arms?  Enjoy the downtime before the show starts.  Have a drink.  Socialize!  WTF is everyone complaining about?  If I see GN'R, I might take the next day off work, its a holiday, they don't come through that often, enjoy the experience.  

Yeah but here they were under the impression the car park would be locked at midnight. which is why if the promoter would've cleared all that up with the curfew and the car park.. it probably takes away some of the anxiety/hostility.

I guess I'm the exception. When I go to concerts by car with friends, we make sure we check the opening times of the car park in advance.

We know when we can get the car out. We don't park in a car park that closes at say midnight.

Just in case.

Even if it means we have to walk a little bit longer to get to the venue.

All this because I don't want to be thinking about parking while watching the show.


If I manage to do that, I'm surprised why nobody else can. 




/jarmo

[14 Yrs Of Silence]

Exactly Jarmo, even if the show started exactly on time, midnight would be cutting it really close!

[jarmo]

Anybody who says "you can't relate" is full of shit.

I've gone to see GN'R in all kinds of places. Had no hotels.

Last June, I went to Oslo. Spent the night at the bus/train station waiting for my early morning bus back home.

I've gone to Stockholm to see the band. Made sure parking was taken care of. Arrived back home at 7am the next morning. Went to work at lunch time.

Yeah, I took half day off. A friend of mine didn't, he went straight to work. I have never heard him complain about it.


In the big picture, it's a small price to pay.

Some never get to see GN'R play live..... Because GN'R doesn't play on their continent, in their country or city....






/jarmo

[GW2]

I have never been to a single concert that has ever started exactly on time. And if you go to a GNR show expecting it to start on time then who's fault is it when you're disappointed when it doesn't? Expectations are simply unrealized resentments.

As for those degenerates who were throwing bottles, I'm sure if I went to the McDonalds drivethru where they work and threw shit at them they would probably get pissed and leave too.

If you're not happy at the concert, shut the fuck up and leave allowing those that are the opportunity to enjoy it. If you want to go see a tame, candyass show where everything is going to go the way you want it or expect it to, go see fucking Nickleback or Billy Joel for Christ's sake. So frustrating!

[Voodoochild]

If I was working behind my computer and someone throw a piss bottle at me, I certainly wouldn't give a second chance.

I can't believe people are really trying to blame Axl as if "he deserved it" or "if it wasn't by the late start..". Fuck off, there's no excuse to this kind of behavior. If not in respect for the band and the other thousands of people, AT VERY LEAST to try to make the money you spent well worth.

[D]

I am one of those who have never gotten GNR anywhere near where i live and if they ever do come close.. i could care less about start time.

will they ever come here though is the question.........Thats the only reason i am ever "negative" or play the otherside cause if this Euro tour goes well, maybe US is next... if the Euro tour doesn't go well........... maybe not.

so yeah, i have a vested interest on how this plays out cause i would like to see them. I have the means now to even travel a lot further than i did in the past. 2006 being a poor college student, i had no funds to travel.. 2010 i can go places on the East Coast. so i want success so we can get a tour here.