Axl Rose Slams Irving Azoff In $5 Million Countersuit

[Loaded NightraiN]

it can be done
pearl jam did it with clear channel in like 2001

I dont think Axl/CC have a great relationship after 2002

[Loaded NightraiN]

I'm pretty sure Live Nation is what Clear Channel's concert promotion unit became. They're one and the same now.

By god, you're right... How did I forget about that... Although I think his point there may be another promoter... Personally I dont think it looks great

[chineseblues]

it can be done
pearl jam did it with clear channel in like 2001

I'm pretty sure Live Nation is what Clear Channel's concert promotion unit became. They're one and the same now.

Basically yes they are one in the same, they could go with AEG like I said before though. They are a pretty big promoter as well.

[Limulus]

Europe is the next Malibu, Axl!

[FunkyMonkey]

"favorable touring deals"....."uses his power to punish artists and harm their careers if they don't follow his orders"....."sabotage Rose and his new band so that Rose would have no option but to reunite."

How can you prove any of the above? How does Axl know about Azoff's dealings with other bands? Rumours, hearsay? That's all it is. It's not the bases for a lawsuit of this size.

I don't think you can say this without knowing what evidence they have -- e.g. e-mails, letters, documents, witnesses who knows.

This is the same law firm/attorney that threated to sue Aerosmith if they tried to replace Steven Tyler.  I'm sure they understand hearsay evidence.

[F*ck Fear]

I like how this exact same thread is only 4 pages here, but 20 something at other boards. All the unwanted fat has been cut down.
Very cool.

[Ulises]

"favorable touring deals"....."uses his power to punish artists and harm their careers if they don't follow his orders"....."sabotage Rose and his new band so that Rose would have no option but to reunite."

How can you prove any of the above? How does Axl know about Azoff's dealings with other bands? Rumours, hearsay? That's all it is. It's not the bases for a lawsuit of this size.

You don't sue someone and tell all these kind of things without any evidence or proof.

[C0ma]

"favorable touring deals"....."uses his power to punish artists and harm their careers if they don't follow his orders"....."sabotage Rose and his new band so that Rose would have no option but to reunite."

How can you prove any of the above? How does Axl know about Azoff's dealings with other bands? Rumours, hearsay? That's all it is. It's not the bases for a lawsuit of this size.

You don't sue someone and tell all these kind of things without any evidence or proof.

Exactly... and as some one said before civil and criminal cases are decided differently. Civil case are won or lost based on "a preponderance of the evidence" and not 'Beyond a Resonable Doubt' like in criminal cases. You just need to sway the decision 51-49 in your favor vs.  a unanimous decision in a criminal case.

Think OJ Simpson. He was found not guilty in a criminal trial, but found 'responsible' shortly afterwards in a civil case.

[Jdog0830]

I had a bad feeling about Irving and now it makes sence why Chinese Democricy had such little promotion.
If I am right most of the members of the band did not like Irving and now we know it was not bull shit.



Joe

[gnrjanus]

he tried to break them apart... that makes you say hmmm they sure liked him!

[Jdog0830]

he tried to break them apart... that makes you say hmmm they sure liked him!

Good point
Managers like that are what killed the music biz.



Joe

[demanding_GNR_rock]

All im thinking is danm an GNR Van Halen would have been awesome........ sue that man for every penny!

[Rockin' Rose]

So this guy is responsible for Robin leaving?

F.U.C.K. Y.O.U.



(don't take this post too seriously)

[gnrjanus]

So this guy is responsible for Robin leaving?

F.U.C.K. Y.O.U.



(don't take this post too seriously)

that's an asumption you are making.
Robin left on his own behalf. and there is nothing that says azoff did that.
reasons he went back to nin..

[Annie]

I am behind Axl 1000%. I said I thought putting IF THE WORLD in Body Of Lies was a poor business decision. He wanted NUGNR to fail because all he could see was $$$ for a reunionT tour. Axl is Dean Winchester to Azoff's demons! You go AXL!!!!!

[gnrjanus]

I am behind Axl 1000%. I said I thought putting IF HE WORLD in Body Of Lies was a poor business decision. He wanted NUGNR to fail because all he could see was $$$ for a reunion tour. Axl is Dean Winchester to Azoff's demons! You go AXL!!!!!

I gotta say... hell no.. putting songs out there by anymeans is promotion.. perhaps not the best but it's something.

Shackler's, if the world, chinese, better.    these songs have been released on or movies/games/albums/singles... so it counts.

[FunkyMonkey]

A summary of some of what's in the lawsuit:

1. The ex-manager had a twisted plan with an Eddie Van Halen twist: According to Rose, music-heavyweight Irving Azoff wooed Guns N' Roses with talk of a mega-tour with Van Halen because he, Azoff, wanted to crush Guns N' Roses.

2. The powers-that-be were all about seeing Slash play in GNR again: Rose accuses Azoff and his firm, Front Line Management of plotting GNR's demise in order to "force" Rose to reunite with his old bandmates. (Rose is GNR's lone member from its "Sweet Child O' Mine" heyday.) Rose, if it wasn't already clear, "was adamantly opposed to the reunion tour." And that's why he claims Azoff was out to get him. 

3. Chinese Democracy was "sabatog[ed]": Per Rose, Azoff and cohorts purposely botched everything from the liner notes on the band's 2009 album to its exclusive sales deal with Best Buy. Rose thinks Azoff leaked tracks, too, thereby damaging sales of the previously leaked platinum-seller.

4. The world tour was "sabatog[ed]": According to the suit, Azoff "mishandled Guns N' Roses tour dates in Asia, Canada and South America," and then "abandoned" the band before it hit the road late last year. Rose thinks Azoff "lied" about the never-was tour with Van Halen, too.

[AXL DEMOCRACY]

Just read the counter suit.

That counter suit claim answers a lot of questions to what went down before and after the album release that were just touched on during Dexter's Q & A's on the various forums.

[cotis]

Is the document allowed to be posted? I just found it online...

[D]

Is the document allowed to be posted? I just found it online...

nope i posted it this morning and it got deleted 

which to me is a shame cause it really shows Axl in a positive light and explains what most fans have been bitching about.