The T Shirt Debate

[jacdaniel]

More on the T Shirt Debate.  (if anyone is interested).

From Slash

@SlashHudson what do you think about axl banning anything that has to do with you cuz I'm going to concert tonite and I'm pissed

@KSavs I'm not really sure what to think.

From Zakk Wylde

I love Axl but this is f'n Goofy... Do think OZ gives a flying Fuck if somebody is wearin a Dio shirt at an Ozzy gig???

No Velvet Revolver swag either I guess ?
4:11 PM Jan 24th from Twittelator    What happens if they r wearing appitite or Illusion sgit w/ the original band on it UNFUCKIN REAL !!!!!
4:05 PM Jan 24th from Twittelator    R U FN KIDDIN W/ Axl throwin people out of GNR shows if they where a Fn SLASH SHIRT ?!!!!! u gotta be FUCKIN KIDDING!!!!!

[AxlReznor]

The thing is, GN'R have never ever ever banned people from wearing Slash t-shirts. The fact that it only happened at this one show should be enough for these people to realise that this was venue security's idea.

[BlowUpYourVideo]

The thing is, GN'R have never ever ever banned people from wearing Slash t-shirts. The fact that it only happened at this one show should be enough for these people to realise that this was venue security's idea.

Hopefully it wasn't GNR's decision. I know Axl doesn't like Slash but would he go that far?? (EDIT: I've read it wasn't. Please don't anyone go off on me).

And isn't there some kind of law against that kind of thing??

[jacdaniel]

I doubt it was the security guards decision.  Most security just get paid to stand there and keep things, well... secure.

Not saying it was Axl or GNR management either though.

[AxlReznor]

I doubt it was the security guards decision.  Most security just get paid to stand there and keep things, well... secure.

Not saying it was Axl or GNR management either though.

If someone in a band pisses venue security off, then venue security have been known to come up with a way to get back at them.
Starting rumours that you're not allowing people to wear certain t-shirts at your shows seems like the sort of thing they'd come up with to me.

[The Prez]

Can someone confirm that Slash T-shirts are actually banned during the Canadian concerts? I thinks that's lame....

[CheapJon]

Can someone confirm that Slash T-shirts are actually banned during the Canadian concerts? I thinks that's lame....

we can confirm that it was a bullshit lie

[faldor]

Why would someone tweet this to Slash or Zakk or anyone for that matter?  It's like a little 10 year old running to his mommy to tell on his sister.

And pardon me, but F Zakk for jumping to conclusions and just taking the story as gospel.  At least preface those comments with, IF this is true.  Because, it apparently wasn't.  IF it did happen, it was apparently an isolated incident.  I don't think its happened again.  Who knows, maybe the security guard was a Slash hater himself?

[russtcb]

This was just posted at gnrevolution.com:

To all concerned, I was employed at the Winnipeg concert of Guns N Roses, relating to security which I have been doing for 14 years now. This will be my only post, which is a long one but every aspect of this issue will be addressed properly.

There has been a row going on behind closed doors about faulty and misleading statements done by ?Madison? from mygnrforum which threatened the jobs of at least 7 people. I wanted to correct them because it has been decided by the bosses that officially they won?t make a statement about it, and no employee is allowed to make a public statement either, ?it would drag it more and in the end have more negative results for us, even by telling the truth?.

But I will not let this go, there is foul play involved and it damaged some of my colleagues professionally. Hard working people who built up a career out of nothing, just to be damaged by lies. And this ?Madison? person needs to be called out for what she is, a fraud with her own agenda.

I am posting this simultaneously on the most popular Guns N Roses forums I could find.

In short; all was said to her was that we (the ones overseeing the concert) didn?t want troublemakers at the show who only were there to get Mr. Axl Rose angry with Slash top hats or reunion signs.

And we decided to bar top hats because word was out, that there was a group of people, fans of Mr. Slash to be exact, actively planning to sabotage the show with pro-Slash and anti-Axl expressions. We could not allow this to happen, thinking about the band on stage, our own reputation, and last but not least the audience who would be disadvantaged if their plan worked, so we took the necessary actions.

It was never suggested to her that Guns N Roses or anyone related to them ordered us to do this specifically. They did not ask this in any way shape or form. ?Madison? lies about this.

On top of this, the one she alleges to have ?talked? to is not in the function she describes. Flat out lie.

We were told by Guns N Roses we had to make sure there would be no troublemakers, like any other band asks from us too. Mr. Slash was never mentioned in any way, directly or indirectly, in any communication with Guns N Roses or anyone related to them, period. And the way we see it (after including the things we knew about that group of people who wanted to sabotage the show), someone trying to get in with a trademark Slash top hat is a troublemaker. They were denied entry. This was our call, nobody else?s.

?Madison? twisted those words to make it look like whatever she felt would make Guns N Roses and us look bad.

We never told anyone to not wear a T-shirt with Mr. Slash on it. We let those kids just go straight in. Many people can vouch for this including the countless ones who were wearing them during the show. The turning of T-shirts inside out is not true either, seriously, that is laughable. If we do not agree with a T-shirt, that person just does not enter with it; turning T-shirts inside out would solve nothing because when inside they would turn the T-shirt back properly.

The only incident concerning this T-shirt issue involved 11 people (who happened to know each other ?coincidentally?, we found out pretty fast) who had made their own T-shirts and wrote offensive text on it just to get a reaction from Mr. Axl Rose. One T-shirt I saw showed Mr. Slash holding up 2 middle fingers accompanied with the text ?Just Shut Up And Sing?. Another showed the old line-up Guns N Roses marching over the new line-up Guns N Roses accompanied with the text ?Better?.

The other 9 had similar T-shirts according to my colleagues. Only these 11 trouble makers, who were part of that group mentioned earlier, were excluded concerning this T-shirt topic. All the others with Mr. Slash on their clothing enjoyed the show without any restrictions. Anyone who says the contrary is lying and part of the group that was out to sabotage the show or people who just want to think bad about Guns N Roses and accept even lies to justify this.

Again, all this was our own call, never did Guns N Roses or anyone related to them ask us to bar anything relating to Mr. Slash, in any way, not even suggestions were made. And as mentioned, we did not bar clothing with Mr. Slash, we barred only clothing which accompanied offensive text to get a reaction from Mr. Axl Rose and texts calling for a reunion which naturally had Mr. Slash featuring on them.

If we had let these troublemakers enter, there was a risk of the show being stopped many times after provocations, or maybe even ending prematurely. So again, the accusations by ?Madison? of what was done by us, the reasoning behind our actions, and what Guns N Roses or anyone related to them said to us, are false.

A handful of guys with (semi-)professional audio/video recording devices were also barred from entering, same with a few with suspicious tickets and some who had drugs with them or looked like they had taken drugs.

No one else.

So ?Madison? claiming the opposite and trying to get our colleagues fired by spreading lies about this is just not right.

And why would she do this?

The impression we got of her, then and looking at what she did with this information is that she is busy trying to find things to make Guns N Roses look bad. During her ?chat? she was only interested in trying to uncover bad things about Guns N Roses. It became also very clear she is a fanatical fan of Mr. Slash. The math is very easy to do.

Only a person like that would twist our words and make it look like we said that Guns N Roses told us to harass anyone that was a fan of Mr. Slash. It?s just pathetic. It?s wrong. We would not even accept a request like that from anyone.

And to add, TMZ never asked us anything about this. They got this from ?Madison?, directly or indirectly. There is no other source because no one asked us before ?Madison? and right after ?Madison? posted this false information we were not allowed to talk to anyone about this until it was figured out who said what. Before her post no one else asked about it, so she is the only source, again directly or indirectly. And other magazines, newspapers, etc., started copying from TMZ and then from each other without checking anything with us in any way.

?Madison? caused a lot of harm and pain in this affair by spreading lies.

I cannot do this with my name publicly or I will definitely get fired (and thanks to the help of a friend I am now even using software to hide my IP address which could identify me). And like mentioned before, officially there will be no statement stating this because more attention is bad attention and it will badly affect other shows we are organizing. I chose to do it in this way to clear it up so our voices would get heard, the truth would get heard and at least Guns N Roses fans now know what is going on.

I hope some sincere forum members copy it and paste it here and other forums, so the truth is known to the Guns N Roses fans. Namely, ?Madison? is twisting words heavily, posting lies to further her agenda of making Guns N Roses look bad (while pretending to like this line-up) because her idol Mr. Slash isn?t part of the band anymore. That?s the impression we got from her and this is exactly why she twisted the words in that manner.

And in the process she does not care if she?s endangering the jobs of others who worked hard to get where they are, like my colleagues.

Thanks.

[faldor]

Thanks Russ.  Case closed I guess.  Pretty much just what I figured went down.

Now I'm gonna run and tweet this to Slash and Zakk so they can find out the real truth.    Just kidding of course. 

[CheapJon]

thanks man, posted it on gnrsweden

though zakk should be aware of this, he posted like 20 "tweets" about it

[Jim Bob]

Everyone already knew madison is a fraud. 

Anyways, anyone going to a GnR show in Slash gear(shirt/tophat/whatever) is obviously just a troublemaker and a troll who would be better off staying home.

[Il?vatar]

Aparently the woman who wrote that is a well known, many named, often banned, nut from the gnr online community.

[D]

I thought the MyGNR peeps were tight with the band also??

[Genesis]

A lot of hype over nothing.

I thought the MyGNR peeps were tight with the band also??

I believe it's one mod from there who's friends with Axl, not Madison.

[D]

I can see random members doing shit like this but someone who is an admin at a GNR forum?

weird...

[faldor]

I can see random members doing shit like this but someone who is an admin at a GNR forum?

weird...

I don't think she necessarily is trying to stir shit up, but I still don't believe anything that anyone has said relating to this subject.  It's gotten so ridiculous, and is such a non story in my mind.  Everyone should just give it a rest at this point and let it die.  Let's stop the investigative reports to find out what really happened.  Whatever did or didn't happen, it's over.  Let's move on.

[D]

maybe one of the security guards was Jim Bob or something and just saw a Slash shirt and on his own accord said "TAKE IT OFF!" or Get OUT!

[Axl4Prez2004]

Trolls.  I would love to run into ass-hats at a show.  One thing's for certain, they might enter with a Slash-hat...but they wouldn't be leaving with one...and if they did, it would probably be in pieces.

[jacdaniel]

Anyways, anyone going to a GnR show in Slash gear(shirt/tophat/whatever) is obviously just a troublemaker and a troll who would be better off staying home.

Nah.  A lot of them people probably bought them T Shirts at previous GNR shows that Axl once made $ out of.  Its not nice to generalise.
Ashba seems to wear some hats similar to Slash's.  maybe it was a tribute to DJ