[TORRENT/ FLAC/ MP3] Destroyer - Tokyo, 12/19/2009 (links on first post)

[Will]

In about a week, other people will have these boots so surely we'll be able to share MP3s. Let's share FLACs at least for this one in the meantime. I think we can wait a few days for MP3s.

About servers speeds, sorry I didn't know the free.fr server was slow for people outside France. Here I got 800kbps this morning, and about 150kbps on the MediaFire server when I tested downloads. It must depend on where you're located and at what time of the day you download.
Next time, I'm ok to upload on MediaFire or whatever but I thought the free.fr server was cool because there's no waiting time, no registration required, etc. (at least from here). Sorry if it was too slow for you.

[ROSE]

I'm uploading the FLACs to mediafire: http://www.mediafire.com/gnr2010

Thanks very much

[estebanf]

No doubt about that Jarmo, I applaud him and sent him a message and stuff telling him my thanks.

But my question is, if my copy comes in tomorrow -- I can rip the MP3's and upload them right?

I dont understand how any of us will know if you rip the copy here to mp3s or claim you bought it? 

Indeed.

Maybe the Trader's Den guy can demand photographic proof. 

The whole thing's ridiculous. When you put something on the internet you forfeit your rights to tell someone what to do with it. If this were the taper talking about only wanting his recording put out a certain way, fair enough. We're talking about a bootleg thats changing hands for hundreds of dollars here. I would have thought it was in the fanbase's best interests to share it for free in as many ways and formats as possible.

Let me get this straight, are we actually being encouraged to go out and buy another CD copy to convert?! So, give $100+ to the assholes who are selling this thing rather than just convert the existing files?

yes, we are encouraging people to do that.

If you buy it and share it as mp3s, that's your choice.

Buy it and encode it to mp3s.

but thats fine with me. Lets all of us start setting rules to our uploads. ''Play only in freeware software''... ''do not reupload it in any form ever''... ''do not burn to CD-R''.... ''do not play it loud''... and lets see how this COMMUNITY (lots of people, different needs, different situations) goes from now on.  Oh, and lets give bootleggers some more money to have some fucking mp3s...

[Will]

I don't understand why people are angry at the board. We didn't come up with this rule, it was the uploader's decision. Maybe you should try to explain that to him on thetradersden?

[russtcb]

I don't understand why people are angry at the board. We didn't come up with this rule, it was the uploader's decision. Maybe you should try to explain that to him on thetradersden?

Not to be a dick, but I really don't understand people getting angry over FREE stuff either. Having said that, I have a question;

I got the whole thing downloaded in FLAC and analyzed it but came up with errors on some tracks. I was just wondering if I was the only one. It was these:

Disc 2
SR
KoHD

Disc 3
Madagascar
Better
Nice Boys

Am I the only one?

[TomFriend]

Let me get this straight, you're so selfish that you'd rather risk pissing off the only known source of this bootleg just so you can immediately have your mp3s rather than share FLACs first before starting to spread mp3s?

Since I have previously uploaded conversions here, I think its pretty clear I already have the mp3s.

It's just the typical bullshit. Nothing's ever good enough. Your needs are firsthand and nobody else matters.

Yes, its very selfish to want to share the recording with everyone in a manageable format.

Clearly I'd get a lot out of that.

Clearly, what I should be doing is encouraging the expensive and illegal sale of bootlegs, like you. Because I'm sure that's what the band, the fans, and everyone else would prefer. 

Your needs are firsthand and nobody else matters.

Yes, I'm a horrible, horrible selfish person.

[zombux]

I don't understand why people are angry at the board. We didn't come up with this rule, it was the uploader's decision. Maybe you should try to explain that to him on thetradersden?

check ANY other bootleg - EVERY uploader says "don't convert to mp3" - but it ALWAYS happens. and this is no exception. it's as odd condition as "play only at $100000+ hifi stereo". the only reason for this is to keep quality. ok - but if somebody wants qualty, he always has FLACs. if the uploader doesn't want FLACs converted from MP3s, everyone can do spectral analysis. prohibiting mp3s is just hypocritical and against basic common sense. you just can't stop MP3s from spreading. if you block them here, they appear on some other forum. if you want to support the uploader, say a BIG THANK YOU to him, or send him money. but this just makes no sense.

[Will]

I agree with what most of you guys are saying, but I'm not the original uploader, and Jarmo isn't either.
You guys should have this discussion with the uploader on thetradersden, not here.

Personnally, I downloaded the FLACs, I thanked him and I uploaded some of the FLACs here. I converted them to MP3 so I could listen to them on my MP3 player but that's it.

As Jarmo said:

Come to think about it, I don't care. If there's no new GN'R bootlegs released, it wouldn't really bother me. I'm sure it would bother some of you guys a lot.

I understand it's frustrating to respect the uploader's wish, but as I said, I'm sure other people will receive their bootlegs soon. I'm sure we can wait a few days. If really some people can't download the FLACs, I'm sure we could do some kind of B+P or whatever.

[TomFriend]

GNR bootlegs aren't going to cease to exist because one anally-retentive uploader of commercially sold Japanese boots gets pissed off about mp3s.

I thought the philosophy of a trading section was freely sharing what's available amongst fans and including as many people as possible, not encouraging people to throw their money at the kind of people who would sell a bootleg for $150.

I feel a damn lot more sympathy for the fans who can't listen to this in FLAC format and are being made to wait or 'buy a copy' than I do for the people who are excluding them from enjoying it. But then again,

Your needs are firsthand and nobody else matters.

[zombux]

GNR bootlegs aren't going to cease to exist because one anally-retentive uploader of commercially sold Japanese boots gets pissed off about mp3s.

I thought the philosophy of a trading section was freely sharing what's available amongst fans and including as many people as possible, not encouraging people to throw their money at the kind of people who would sell a bootleg for $150.

I feel a damn lot more sympathy for the fans who can't listen to this in FLAC format and are being made to wait or 'buy a copy' than I do for the people who are excluding them from enjoying it.

someone to carve this in stone please?

[cotis]

I got my copy today, I'll post the MP3's later this evening!

[Will]

See, we just have to wait. People, please stop arguing about everything all the time. This is just a bootleg, just a file format. Cotis talked about buying some of these bootlegs before, so we can trust him about this I think. We'll be able to share these MP3 files once it's uploaded.

[cotis]

I don't understand why people are angry at the board. We didn't come up with this rule, it was the uploader's decision. Maybe you should try to explain that to him on thetradersden?

Angry at the board for not allowing to freely do what is desired with it, is more like it.

You can put all the claims you want on a download, and people will not always follow them.

There are people here that don't even know what FLAC is, and I can understand that. Giving them MP3's, which they will be able to play, will let them listen to their favorite band on one of the best nights of the tour (thus far). So in essence, you are NOT allowing the fans to hear their favorite band. Not everyone has the plugins, programs, etc. to play FLAC and you are leaving out a BIG CHUNK of the GNR fans. Why cut them out, let everyone listen to the recording.

Don't get me wrong: I am not questioning the discussion of quality, FLAC is by far the better quality.

Not allowing the MP3's here, and forcing us to purchase our own copies not only hurts us financially, but also the band. Making us buy recordings from these Japanese Sellers is just furthering their business, giving them more money for their pockets, so they can record again and sell more shows. Aren't we supposed to be supporting the band, not Japanese sellers?

[cotis]

See, we just have to wait. People, please stop arguing about everything all the time. This is just a bootleg, just a file format. Cotis talked about buying some of these bootlegs before, so we can trust him about this I think. We'll be able to share these MP3 files once it's uploaded.

..sorry for three posts in a row, don't want to edit.

Wasn't the motive here before that we couldn't share the MP3's? Kind of why I just made my post above this?

But now that I have my own copy, I'm able to post the mp3's for all? Just want to get this right, since I was under a different impression the whole time.



**EDIT**
And don't get me wrong, this is in no way to disrespect the uploader/tapers, this is to allow this recording to reach all GNR fans, not a select few.

I thank all involved in this for your effort, it's a great release. I have always stood by the motive, if you tape/film a show -- you can do whatever you want with it (sell it, trade it, "hoard" it, etc.) because you took the risk of getting caught in order to capture the moment. I thank the tapers, maybe not agree with their selling, but they did a great job recording this.

As I said, I will post the mp3's for ALL FANS tonight.

[jamesdm]

I'm uploading the FLACs to mediafire: http://www.mediafire.com/gnr2010

Thanks for the effort man, 

[Will]

Not allowing the MP3's here, and forcing us to purchase our own copies...

No one forced anyone to purchase anything.
The bottom line is: I wanted to share the MP3 links as soon as last night, but I decided to respect the uploader's wish because we thought it was the best idea, in order to avoid other people hoarding releases. But in the end, as Jarmo put it, you guys can take the chance to piss the uploader off and share MP3s of this, since Jarmo doesn't care because he doesn't collect bootlegs like us.

Is it really worth it that we go on an on for 10 pages about this?

I know that whenever I get new bootlegs and torrent them or whatever, I don't care if people post MP3s, AVIs or something. Not all people are like this, but I don't think it's that important.

[jarmo]

I apologize for thinking ahead. Or at least trying to.

Won't happen again regarding bootlegs.

Sorry.


Share all the mp3s, and risk pissing off all the tapers and/or people who share the bootlegs first.

Because that's how it's done! Respect for others' wishes? Fuck that, give me what I need now or fuck off. 


So in the future, do what you want.

Nobody will be whining on this board about bootlegs in the future. No matter what happens.




/jarmo

[ice road trucker]

well since people  thinks there needs to be mp3  spread i will not longer be sharing npne of my japan release i buy because of people thinking mp3 bis needed

[jarmo]

How ironic....




/jarmo

[zombux]

oh dear, someone else will share then