GNR sued for plagiarism

[Mr. Redman]

How far back does "Riad N' the Bedouins" date?

Because I show here that "A Strangely Isolated Place" was released in 2003?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Strangely_Isolated_Place

And "Wherever You Are" in 2006?

http://www.discogs.com/Ulrich-Schnauss-Passing-By/release/713466

1998 - 2001.

[axe]

Made me laugh so hard when I listened to those Schnauss thingies. I always wondered what made RntB rock so well in the album version, but of course, it was those 10 seconds of superoriginal computer noise in the beginning.

I invented the C note! How many millions do I get?

[Voodoochild]

Maybe that's why the intro got removed from the Rock Band version?

Anyways, who made that intro (I'm at work and I don't have the booklet with me)?

[AxlReznor]

No need to see what we think... "Wherever You Are" was released in 2001, and "A Strangely Isolated Place" was released in 2003. The first performance of "Riad N' The Bedouins" live was 1st January, 2001... unless Axl knew this guy personally and heard the songs before release, plagiarism is impossible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_Away_Trains_Passing_By
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Strangely_Isolated_Place

[Howard2k]

No need to see what we think... "Wherever You Are" was released in 2001, and "A Strangely Isolated Place" was released in 2003. The first performance of "Riad N' The Bedouins" live was 1st January, 2001... unless Axl knew this guy personally and heard the songs before release, plagiarism is impossible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_Away_Trains_Passing_By
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Strangely_Isolated_Place

Did the 2001 performance of Riad have the same intro?
Is it impossible that this guy had also performed this song prior to it making it to a release, just like Riad saw a 7 year gap from 01 to 08?

I think it is a bit premature to say that it is impossible.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

The album version intro is not the same intro that was used in live versions years ago.

Those samples were clearly lifted. But how much is 10 seconds of a computer synth worth? Certainly not what they are asking. Give Schnauss some front row tickets and an album credit on subsequent pressings and be done with it IMO.

[Giant_Robot]

Give Schnauss some front row tickets

Cheeky 

Does anyone think it was the error filled booklet that has caused the problems ? Maybe he was meant to be credited but was missed out on the draft that become the booklet.

I hope it does not upset any touring plans ! 

[Ali]

The album version intro is not the same intro that was used in live versions years ago.

Those samples were clearly lifted. But how much is 10 seconds of a computer synth worth? Certainly not what they are asking. Give Schnauss some front row tickets and an album credit on subsequent pressings and be done with it IMO.

Those most important thing is not is the intro the same as the live version from 2001.  To me, it's when was the studio version recorded and when was copyright filed on the studio version of "Riad".  If it was filed on 2001 or prior, which is entirely possible, then the case is meritless.

Ali

[Voodoochild]

How far back does "Riad N' the Bedouins" date?

Because I show here that "A Strangely Isolated Place" was released in 2003?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Strangely_Isolated_Place

And "Wherever You Are" in 2006?

http://www.discogs.com/Ulrich-Schnauss-Passing-By/release/713466

1998 - 2001.

Actually 2000 - it was performed before the New Years Eve.

The album version intro is not the same intro that was used in live versions years ago.

Those samples were clearly lifted. But how much is 10 seconds of a computer synth worth? Certainly not what they are asking. Give Schnauss some front row tickets and an album credit on subsequent pressings and be done with it IMO.

Those most important thing is not is the intro the same as the live version from 2001.  To me, it's when was the studio version recorded and when was copyright filed on the studio version of "Riad".  If it was filed on 2001 or prior, which is entirely possible, then the case is meritless.

Ali

The demo didn't have that intro.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

The album version intro is not the same intro that was used in live versions years ago.

Those samples were clearly lifted. But how much is 10 seconds of a computer synth worth? Certainly not what they are asking. Give Schnauss some front row tickets and an album credit on subsequent pressings and be done with it IMO.

Those most important thing is not is the intro the same as the live version from 2001.  To me, it's when was the studio version recorded and when was copyright filed on the studio version of "Riad".  If it was filed on 2001 or prior, which is entirely possible, then the case is meritless.

Ali

Maybe Schnauss lifted it from Axl? 

[Satapher]

Well... it seems that we're gonna have some GNR Management announcement around this issue soon.

[jarmo]

We?re not legal experts, but unless there is some sort of documentation proving that Rose and company stole the tracks ? like proof they tried to clear the sample and failed ? it?s hard to imagine the million dollar fee would be awarded, as it seems like countless artists such as Boards of Canada, M83 and Fennesz could have easily filed a similar suit. Plus, half the stuff on Chinese Democracy has existed for the better part of the last decade, while the two Schnauss songs came out in 2001 and 2003, so it?d be practically impossible to determine who predated who. Rolling Stone reached out to Gn?R for comment, but hadn?t heard back at press time.

http://www.rollingstone.com/



/jarmo

[Mr. Redman]

How far back does "Riad N' the Bedouins" date?

Because I show here that "A Strangely Isolated Place" was released in 2003?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Strangely_Isolated_Place

And "Wherever You Are" in 2006?

http://www.discogs.com/Ulrich-Schnauss-Passing-By/release/713466

1998 - 2001.

Actually 2000 - it was performed before the New Years Eve.

But was written before then

[D]

Joe Satriani lost his lawsuit with COldplay and they stole not only his music BUT Melodies

SO I don't see anyway GNR will be forced to cough up money on this.

[D]

How far back does "Riad N' the Bedouins" date?

Because I show here that "A Strangely Isolated Place" was released in 2003?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Strangely_Isolated_Place

And "Wherever You Are" in 2006?

http://www.discogs.com/Ulrich-Schnauss-Passing-By/release/713466

1998 - 2001.

Actually 2000 - it was performed before the New Years Eve.

But was written before then

Didn't u read what has been said though? The Live version of Riad didn't have the intro

[russtcb]

Both obvious and unnecessary. Too bad.

[cineater]

I'm guessing if it's gotten this far GNR plans on fighting and doesn't agree to an out of court settlement?

[willow]

I two hope they fight it instead of settling just to make it go away.

[D]

Does raise a question in music though... I mean there are only so many riffs that can be written... will there be a time when most stuff is similar or accidentally copied?

[Ali]

How far back does "Riad N' the Bedouins" date?

Because I show here that "A Strangely Isolated Place" was released in 2003?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Strangely_Isolated_Place

And "Wherever You Are" in 2006?

http://www.discogs.com/Ulrich-Schnauss-Passing-By/release/713466

1998 - 2001.

Actually 2000 - it was performed before the New Years Eve.

The album version intro is not the same intro that was used in live versions years ago.

Those samples were clearly lifted. But how much is 10 seconds of a computer synth worth? Certainly not what they are asking. Give Schnauss some front row tickets and an album credit on subsequent pressings and be done with it IMO.

Those most important thing is not is the intro the same as the live version from 2001.  To me, it's when was the studio version recorded and when was copyright filed on the studio version of "Riad".  If it was filed on 2001 or prior, which is entirely possible, then the case is meritless.

Ali

The demo didn't have that intro.

Yes, the demo we heard.  But, as you know, there have been multiple different demos of various songs to come out over the years.

Ali