Brain "probably not" touring

[Jim Bob]

No, it's not. He's got a band. Just like in the past.

And what happened to GNR when Slash, Izzy, and Duff left?

Forget about the media....Im talking about the actual GNR fan base. Did most of the old fans support Axl over the past decade? The fans that jumped ship or lost interest in the band probably felt that they any new incarnation would have to impress them via new music. Slash and company gained their support and hearts with the music they created.

If old GNR toured right after AFD without Slash and Izzy..particularly Slash... would it still have been the same? It might have been called GNR but in reality it wouldnt have been. And thats my only point.

You seem to forget that Buckethead joined the band Axl was in, not the other way around.

You seem to forget that most people think that this is an Axl Rose solo gig. And as fans of Axl, we can no longer dispute that argument.

kindly shut the fuck up.   all you do is repeat the detractor nonsense.

Axl himself explained why this is not a solo project, and if you want to talk about the cancer and the other alumni, go find the ex-members sections.

I try and feel the sunshine, you bring the rain.
You try an hold me down, with your complaints.

you cry and moan and complain, its all you fucking do!

[Jim Bob]

seriously we are on the verge of a tour, and for some people its not good enough.

wait until the first show is played, younggunner will be one of the first to complain about the setlist.

rather than be happy that Guns N' Roses is out there kicking ass, all he wants to do is dwell on what used to be or why its not exactly the way he wants it.  pathetic.

[younggunner]

kindly shut the fuck up.   all you do is repeat the detractor nonsense.

Axl himself explained why this is not a solo project, and if you want to talk about the cancer and the other alumni, go find the ex-members sections.

Kindly, pay attention to what I say.

I have NEVER ONCE said that the making of Chinese Democracy was an Axl Rose solo project. You should know that by now. I never had a problem with Axl moving on with a new group of members as well. Im an Axl fan first and foremost and for the most part, I believe his side of the gnr story.  

All I have said is that from this point out its an Axl solo project until he and his band create, record, and tour on the same record. Some of you people find that offensive...for what reason I have no clue. Its the truth. Use common sense.

I try and feel the sunshine, you bring the rain.
You try an hold me down, with your complaints.

you cry and moan and complain, its all you fucking do!

great song

seriously we are on the verge of a tour, and for some people its not good enough.

wait until the first show is played, younggunner will be one of the first to complain about the setlist.

rather than be happy that Guns N' Roses is out there kicking ass, all he wants to do is dwell on what used to be or why its not exactly the way he wants it.  pathetic.

Whos complaining. It only turns into this tyope of thread when people quote and contest what you say. Just ignore my opinion. Very simple.

Im just as pumped to see Axl touring again. I cant wait. The only way you ll hear a complaint out of me is if they stick to the same set as 02 and 06.

I want a CD dominated set....is that ok? or am I asking for too much?  (please answer that question for me)

all he wants to do is dwell on what used to be or why its not exactly the way he wants it.  pathetic.

I guess your not a fan of the majority of Axls lyrics...some of CD and some of the old stuff???

[jarmo]

You seem to forget that most people think that this is an Axl Rose solo gig. And as fans of Axl, we can no longer dispute that argument.

It's easy: It's not.

Get it?

All I have said is that from this point out its an Axl solo project until he and his band create, record, and tour on the same record. Some of you people find that offensive...for what reason I have no clue. Its the truth. Use common sense.

Priceless. You telling others to use common sense.

You make up your own rules to what goes and what doesn't. Then get all upset when your rules aren't followed.

The truth? Since when are you the one speaking the truth?

Your truth is very twisted. The line up that recorded the album never existed at the same time. But in your rule book, it's ok. It's the majority that counts. Maybe it's just one guy that counts when you think about it. And he left in 2004...

The album you have in your hands wasn't finished in 2002, when the line up you want to exist, existed. How ironic is that? The album was finished years after the guy you idolize quit the band. Years after the line up you long for quiet existing.



Can you handle the truth?

How many of the guys in the band are on the record? Everybody except DJ. I don't see a problem.

rather than be happy that Guns N' Roses is out there kicking ass, all he wants to do is dwell on what used to be or why its not exactly the way he wants it.  pathetic.

Exactly.

Like a broken record....




/jarmo

[Jim Bob]

All I have said is that from this point out its an Axl solo project until he and his band create, record, and tour on the same record. Some of you people find that offensive...for what reason I have no clue. Its the truth. Use common sense.

Its not a solo project.   When you buy a ticket, does it say "The Axl Rose Show"??  Thats the only "truth" there is.

Im just as pumped to see Axl touring again. I cant wait. The only way you ll hear a complaint out of me is if they stick to the same set as 02 and 06.

I want a CD dominated set....is that ok? or am I asking for too much?

Asking for anything is too much.   Especially if you aren't even attending the show you are bitching about!    I'm happy to hear whatever setlist Axl and the band are prepared to play.   Its minor details considering the possibility of seeing GnR live again.

[Trist805]

Frank and DJ Ashba are gonna rock. Frank was great with the band in '06.  I'm looking forward to the new lineup.

[younggunner]

Your truth is very twisted. The line up that recorded the album never existed at the same time. But in your rule book, it's ok. It's the majority that counts. Maybe it's just one guy that counts when you think about it. And he left in 2004...

The album you have in your hands wasn't finished in 2002, when the line up you want to exist, existed. How ironic is that? The album was finished years after the guy you idolize quit the band. Years after the line up you long for quiet existing.

No its not. The 2002 lineup is the lineup that CREATED the majority of CD. That is a fact. Bucket unfortunately quit...but guess what? He is all over the album    

If you want to say that Ron and Franks RE recording makes them main contributors to the album then I cant stop you. They are on the album by default. They are on the album because Axl is a nice guy and is pro team building. That is it. I highly doubt their re recordings and tinkering were absolutely needed to release the album. That is wishful thinking.

And dont twist it into me saying that I hate what Ron did on the album. I think his contributions are fine.

The album wasnt released mainly because of label/band issues. As time wnt on Axl tinkered but everyone knows if the label and Axl were on the same page it would have been out between 2002-2005.

How many of the guys in the band are on the record? Everybody except DJ. I don't see a problem.

Im not talking about whos on the album. Im talking about who made it.

Asking for anything is too much.   Especially if you aren't even attending the show you are bitching about!    I'm happy to hear whatever setlist Axl and the band are prepared to play.   Its minor details considering the possibility of seeing GnR live again.

99% of the fan base wants to hear Chinese Democracy.

Asking for a CD dominated set is now asking too much? geezzzzzzzz . That is comical. I would wager that even the band members would agree with me.....

DJ Ashba are gonna rock

Agreed, I think he has potential and am looking foward to see if he can create some songs with the band

[russtcb]

Frank and DJ Ashba are gonna rock. Frank was great with the band in '06.  I'm looking forward to the new lineup.

Can I get an Amen??

[jarmo]

No its not. The 2002 lineup is the lineup that CREATED the majority of CD. That is a fact. Bucket unfortunately quit...but guess what? He is all over the album    

He's on the album, didn't want to tour. Yet you go on and on about how the line up changed.

Maybe you need to go post on his site and tell him?

If you want to say that Ron and Franks RE recording makes them main contributors to the album then I cant stop you. They are on the album by default. They are on the album because Axl is a nice guy and is pro team building. That is it. I highly doubt their re recordings and tinkering were absolutely needed to release the album. That is wishful thinking.

Obviously they were needed since they appear on the album....

And if people didn't read the liner notes, they'd just be amazed by the amazing musicianship on the album.

Now some like yourself just attach yourselves to the names and think something is better than the other just based on the name.

I know for a fact that some were amazed by certain parts of the album and then found out it wasn't the guy they thought it was!

That says a lot.

Im not talking about whos on the album. Im talking about who made it.

They all made it because without all of them, you wouldn't have it in your hands.




/jarmo

[younggunner]

He's on the album, didn't want to tour. Yet you go on and on about how the line up changed.

Hes on the album he helped CREATE. Hes credited with creating songs not just "being on the album"

Obviously they were needed since they appear on the album....

now try saying that with a straight face... cmon man you cant be serious. Just give me a lil shred of reality. Please just once.

And if people didn't read the liner notes, they'd just be amazed by the amazing musicianship on the album.

Now some like yourself just attach yourselves to the names and think something is better than the other just based on the name.

I know for a fact that some were amazed by certain parts of the album and then found out it wasn't the guy they thought it was!

That says a lot.

When have I knocked Rons talents? hes an excellent player.

If Ron CREATED songs on CD and they were rockin, I would obviously have a different opinion of him. I didnt know Bucket or Robin from a hole in the wall before they joined GNR. There stage presence and eventual work on the album won me over. Again, they created CD. A good part of it. There solos and structure are all over it.

Just like people gravitate more towards SLash than Gilby. Same situation here. At this point Ron and DJ are touring members. And there is nothing wrong with that. When they get back into the studio they will have the opportunity to change that.

I know for a fact that some were amazed by certain parts of the album and then found out it wasn't the guy they thought it was!

That says a lot.

Not me. I am amazed by the whole album. Minor production complaints but other than that...as you said...the musicianship is ACES.

They all made it because without all of them, you wouldn't have it in your hands.

 

If you really believe that....yikes

[jarmo]

Hes on the album he helped CREATE. Hes credited with creating songs not just "being on the album"

Because he joined "Axl's solo project"?  It can't be a real band since they didn't record, release an album and tour when that line up existed..... Isn't that the rule?

It doesn't fucking matter that he wrote songs. The thing you need to get over is the fact that he left. But you keep whining about it.

now try saying that with a straight face... cmon man you cant be serious. Just give me a lil shred of reality. Please just once.

Only you exist in your reality. And the Mets don't suck.

At this point Ron and DJ are touring members. And there is nothing wrong with that. When they get back into the studio they will have the opportunity to change that.

How an somebody who recorded his own parts for the album be just a touring member?

Just because he didn't get a song writing credit doesn't mean he didn't put his personal mark on that particular song.

You really pay too much attention to the liner notes....

They all made it because without all of them, you wouldn't have it in your hands.

 

If you really believe that....yikes

Yeah, weird concept. Without all the people who made something possible, you wouldn't have that thing.

I guess in order to make a pizza, you can skip the dough part.... It's apparently still the same pizza.




/jarmo

[Jdog0830]

YoungGunner needs to get his story straight no one will listen when you keep contradicting yourself with this Axl's solo project bull shit.

[younggunner]

YoungGunner needs to get his story straight no one will listen when you keep contradicting yourself with this Axl's solo project bull shit

care to elaborate?

Because he joined "Axl's solo project"?  It can't be a real band since they didn't record, release an album and tour when that line up existed..... Isn't that the rule?

Well when he joined they were recording and touring. But until the album was out then yes, it was an Axl solo project. When the album dropped, skeptics officially saw what we knew all along....that it wasnt

And the Mets don't suck.

The Mets are horrendous.....

Just because he didn't get a song writing credit doesn't mean he didn't put his personal mark on that particular song.

You really pay too much attention to the liner notes....

If it wasnt important Axl wouldnt have included the linear notes. It demonstrates that this was a collaborative effort to the skeptics.

Im not saying ROn didnt put his personal touch on the album. He did. And I like what he added.

I guess in order to make a pizza, you can skip the dough part.... It's apparently still the same pizza.

the pizza was already made and cooked. When it came out Ron subtracted a few pieces of pepperoni and added a few pieces of his favorite pepporni.

so if you want to be technical it a different pizza but we all know the pizza would have tasted the same either way. But it was nice for the pizza makers to include the new workers into their extraordinary pie. Like I said...its a good team builder. Which is why I respect Axl

[jarmo]

Im not saying ROn didnt put his personal touch on the album. He did. And I like what he added.

Good, then you'll enjoy the fact that he's in the band while somebody else isn't. 

the pizza was already made and cooked. When it came out Ron subtracted a few pieces of pepperoni and added a few pieces of his favorite pepporni.

No, I the chefs decided it needed another twist before it was done.

Which is why I respect Axl

Weird way of showing respect by constantly slagging the band he's in.




/jarmo

[Jdog0830]

Gladly you obviously are makeing up these rules as you are going along it is clear to everyone that Axl has control but it is not his solo work if it was then no creativity at all would come from anyone else but Axl and that just is not true!!!

[younggunner]

No, I the chefs decided it needed another twist before it was done.

The chefs were waiting for mgmt to be on the same pg in terms of the delivery and logistics of the product.

Weird way of showing respect by constantly slagging the band he's in.

not really. Nothing wrong with tough love. In fact, if one isnt ultra sensitive then it generally improves the situation

it is clear to everyone that Axl has control but it is not his solo work if it was then no creativity at all would come from anyone else but Axl and that just is not true!!!

Like I have asked Jimbo Slice, I will kindly ask you to pay attention to what Im saying as well

One more time...I have never said the making of CD was an Axl solo project....capisce?

[jarmo]

The chefs were waiting for mgmt to be on the same pg in terms of the delivery and logistics of the product.

Stop thinking you're in the band already!

not really. Nothing wrong with tough love. In fact, if one isnt ultra sensitive then it generally improves the situation

I guess it was only wrong when you got banned.....

Go spend your time in the Dead Horse section. You're about as interesting as all those who still live in the 1900s.....





/jarmo

[Jdog0830]

No you are just saying that now it's his solo work and I also think that's a load of bull since the only other member of GNR that has been rolling with Axl since Illusions had made plans to tour a few months I beleve after CD came out which tells me that in that time in between they agreed when they will tour but for some reason decided to push it back and if you ask me I bet their was a huge debate about the tour plans but some how that power was given to the executives to plan it out but the point is that Axl dose not hold all the Power of GNR a large amount of it but not more than 50% but that's what I think...

But besides that this thread got way off topic into another argument that in the end dosent really matter if Brain dose not tour we will hear about it officaly when that time comes till then people chill out and just listen to the music that's the whole reason we are even here!!!

[jarmo]

Younggunner seems to enjoy it when things go off topic. He's like that. He comes in, does his whining and then disappears until next time when he does the same thing again.

Tough love my ass.... Nobody asked for your "tough love".




/jarmo

[estebanf]

oh God, not this again.

I really cant understand this. Back in 2003-2005 we were fans of a semi-dead band, no news, no updates, no shows, and the only sporadic news we got were catastrophic: Bucket was gone, Axl was in legal troubles with former members, etc. We as fans learned to live with that situation, and we all used to think GNR was over, even the more optimistic ones.

Now we have seen the band tour all over europe headlining all the biggest rock festivals in the world, selling out approx. 1 show every 3/4, we've seen the band playing in asia, USA and Australia. We've seen A BAND rocking all over the world, being extremely solid instrumentally-wise and Axl improving his vocals a lot. They took a little break in early 2007, but then they toured japan, selling out all shows. We've seen special guests, surprise shows, rare songs like Dont Cry, Down On The Farm, UTLH, Sway and Sailing. Some of you have seen the band live more than once. I have NEVER seen this new incarnation of the band because I live in Argentina, and I'm still here, supporting the band. Believing in this band AS A BAND.

One year later, we've seen our dream as fans come true: Chinese Democracy. Its IMHO by far the best GNR album and it has almost all super-positive reviews, not only musically but also for its production.

The band had another obstacle (one of a million obstacles all these years) on its way: Robin's gone. The band got over that loss and called a new guitarist without any kind of hesitation. Some months later, we are very close to an official announce of a new tour.

The band was fighting with one nightmare after one nightmare all this time, but the band is still alive. I think nobody dreamed something like this. We should be happy for what we got, because we wanted an active band, we got it. We wanted an album, we got it. Some of you wanted a band that ''doesnt look like a circus onstage'', you got it. Some of you wanted different setlists, you got it. Some of you DEMANDED more information, and you got an official site, a MySpace, a million interviews with band members and an extremely unusual episode in rock history like when Axl chatted with us, more than once, and in 3 diff message boards. Some of you ''needed'' more shows, you are gonna have them. Oh, and he didn't avoid ANY question. He responded them all.

After all these things that happened, I cant believe some of you still have things to whine about. Do you think this is an Axl Rose solo gig? GREAT!!! Get the fuck out of here because this is a GUNS N' ROSES message forum, and GNR is a band, was always a band, and it will always be a band. It doesnt depend on you, whiners, it dependes on Axl and the rest of the guys. YES: Axl will always have the last word. But that's was always that way.