Chinese Democracy Reviews: 9 months later

[jacdaniel]

D is spot on as usual!

Of course people are going to enjoy their shiny new toy for a while.  its new and fresher.
Ill bump this thread in 22 years and see if you still have the same opinion.   

[russtcb]

D is spot on as usual!

Of course people are going to enjoy their shiny new toy for a while.  its new and fresher.
Ill bump this thread in 22 years and see if you still have the same opinion.   

 

Any reason to insult the newer music I guess. Seeing as everyone who listened to the leaks (or at least attended the 06 tours) has heard Better/IRS/TWaT/CD, etc for at least 3 (coming up on 4) years, I wouldn't say the songs are "shiny new toys" but again, whatever excuse you need to find fault with the newer material..... have at it.

[Smoking Guns]

D is spot on as usual!

Of course people are going to enjoy their shiny new toy for a while.  its new and fresher.
Ill bump this thread in 22 years and see if you still have the same opinion.   

 

Any reason to insult the newer music I guess. Seeing as everyone who listened to the leaks (or at least attended the 06 tours) has heard Better/IRS/TWaT/CD, etc for at least 3 (coming up on 4) years, I wouldn't say the songs are "shiny new toys" but again, whatever excuse you need to find fault with the newer material..... have at it.

Do you find it just the tiny bit odd only die hards like us gave this album a shot?  Is that ALL based on promotion, or maybe the reason the earlier albums did so good is because they are amazing?!?!

[russtcb]

D is spot on as usual!

Of course people are going to enjoy their shiny new toy for a while.  its new and fresher.
Ill bump this thread in 22 years and see if you still have the same opinion.   

 

Any reason to insult the newer music I guess. Seeing as everyone who listened to the leaks (or at least attended the 06 tours) has heard Better/IRS/TWaT/CD, etc for at least 3 (coming up on 4) years, I wouldn't say the songs are "shiny new toys" but again, whatever excuse you need to find fault with the newer material..... have at it.

Do you find it just the tiny bit odd only die hards like us gave this album a shot?  Is that ALL based on promotion, or maybe the reason the earlier albums did so good is because they are amazing?!?!

Oh I'm aware that there are tons of other factors. For me, the least of which being quality of music. True story;

Of everyone I know, there are only 2 people that won't give the album any sort of fair shot. They're both pretty much "AXL TOOK FOREVER TO MAKE THIS!" or "IT'S NOT THE REAL GUNS N' ROSES!" type of guys. Neither of them would give the music a shot, at all. Every other person I know including a person who never really liked "the original Guns N' Roses" gave the music an honest listen and either likes the majority of, or the entire record.

So last Saturday, I'm at a poker game and I brough my laptop to DJ with. I put "Sorry" in the mix. One of the two people who won't listen to the album was playing in the poker game. About half way through Sorry he says "Hey, what album is this off?" and ofcourse my response was "Are you being serious right now?"

Everyone else at the poker table just kinda looked at him then waited for me to finish. I said "Um... this is the one you won't give a fair chance" so he says "Well is the rest of is this good?" and I said "Well, let me put it this way; this is one of my least favorite songs on the record"

So you know what he did Sunday? He went to Best Buy and bought Chinese Democracy. Texted me yesterday to tell me he couldn't believe how much he was loving it. And this guy was DEAD SET against wanting anything to do with it.

So no, I don't think it's only promotion. I think it's peoples own perceptions that get in the way a great deal as well.

[jarmo]

Great story and so true.

Certain people decided that they don't like Chinese Democracy in 1996.....

That's when their minds were made up about the album. An album that didn't exist at that point, but that's not important to these people.




/jarmo

[sandman]

this all gets back to promotion. find a way for people to hear it, and it will sell.

[jacdaniel]

D is spot on as usual!

Of course people are going to enjoy their shiny new toy for a while.  its new and fresher.
Ill bump this thread in 22 years and see if you still have the same opinion.   

 

Any reason to insult the newer music I guess. Seeing as everyone who listened to the leaks (or at least attended the 06 tours) has heard Better/IRS/TWaT/CD, etc for at least 3 (coming up on 4) years, I wouldn't say the songs are "shiny new toys" but again, whatever excuse you need to find fault with the newer material..... have at it.

I was just kidding about bumping the thread in 22 years  
Thats a great story you told and im happy for you!  
i like the album but i just don't agree with the songs being better than WTTJ, SCOM, PC, NR or Estranged.
To me them songs are just awesome and will never be beaten.  

I was at a family party recently and we were all drunk listening to November Rain, paradise city, jungle and sweet child.  It was amazing seeing so many generations air guitaring and having great times.  But thats just how good them old songs are.

Its a shame a lot of people don't even know Guns are still around these days but hey... thats there job if they want it.


PS:  if Guns' first single ever was NR, i don't think it would have sold.  because they got so popular they were in a position to release such an epic song.  even alan niven thought they had lost the plot!

[russtcb]

Great story and so true.

Certain people decided that they don't like Chinese Democracy in 1996.....

That's when their minds were made up about the album. An album that didn't exist at that point, but that's not important to these people.




/jarmo

Yep. And I used to be one of those people. Between 1996 and 2002, you couldn't have convinced me that Axl was going to product superior material to anything he'd done in the past. Then I forced myself to go to see them in November of 02 with an open mind.

I was blown away by the passion with which they played the old material but even moreso, I was intrigued by the new material. It was different than anything before it, different than anything else being done and just awesome.

When the record finally came out, I actually had gone from no expectations to high hopes. And I'm excited that it's everything I wanted it to be!

[HBK]

So you know what he did Sunday? He went to Best Buy and bought Chinese Democracy. Texted me yesterday to tell me he couldn't believe how much he was loving it. And this guy was DEAD SET against wanting anything to do with it.

Chinese Sold: 5.000.001 Millions Of Copy, 08 september' 09

 

[Loaded NightraiN]

So no, I don't think it's only promotion. I think it's peoples own perceptions that get in the way a great deal as well.

Very Ture, but w/ promotion = more airplay, your buddy may have already had the album...

i like the album but i just don't agree with the songs being better than WTTJ, SCOM, PC, NR or Estranged.

See you're going into it with basically a closed mind.... How can you say something you have not heard form the band yet, wont be better?

[Voodoochild]

Same bullshit every time. No wonder they are so quick to jump off and say how you can't prefer the new songs - but God forbid us to defend the new album.

D is spot on as usual!

Of course people are going to enjoy their shiny new toy for a while.  its new and fresher.
Ill bump this thread in 22 years and see if you still have the same opinion.  

People said that in 2001, 2006 and 2008 and here we are.

[Butch Français]

So no, I don't think it's only promotion. I think it's peoples own perceptions that get in the way a great deal as well.

Very Ture, but w/ promotion = more airplay, your buddy may have already had the album...

i like the album but i just don't agree with the songs being better than WTTJ, SCOM, PC, NR or Estranged.

See you're going into it with basically a closed mind.... How can you say something you have not heard form the band yet, wont be better?

he didn't say that....he said the songs in CD are not better than the old ones. I believe he has heard CD.
I do agree with him. CD is a good album, but it's nowhere near the old albums. only talking about the music now, not taking into account at all who plays on them. though I do find Axl's performance Better on the old albums.
but, it's a good album. pretty much no band or musician can live up to their golden days in later times. look at Metallica, Rolling Stones, AC/DC...and most others.
but I do hope GNR keeps it up and releases more new music though, cos to me it's still better than most thats out there these days.

[russtcb]

So no, I don't think it's only promotion. I think it's peoples own perceptions that get in the way a great deal as well.

Very Ture, but w/ promotion = more airplay, your buddy may have already had the album...

i like the album but i just don't agree with the songs being better than WTTJ, SCOM, PC, NR or Estranged.

See you're going into it with basically a closed mind.... How can you say something you have not heard form the band yet, wont be better?

...pretty much no band or musician can live up to their golden days in later times...

I disagree on many artists, not the least of which is Guns N' Roses with Chinese Democracy.

[Loaded NightraiN]

So no, I don't think it's only promotion. I think it's peoples own perceptions that get in the way a great deal as well.

Very Ture, but w/ promotion = more airplay, your buddy may have already had the album...

i like the album but i just don't agree with the songs being better than WTTJ, SCOM, PC, NR or Estranged.

See you're going into it with basically a closed mind.... How can you say something you have not heard form the band yet, wont be better?

he didn't say that....he said the songs in CD are not better than the old ones.

He did say that, I just quoted wrong, see below:

i like the album but i just don't agree with the songs being better than WTTJ, SCOM, PC, NR or Estranged.
To me them songs are just awesome and will never be beaten. 

[D]

I love CD, don't get me wrong but WTTJ, SCOM, Estranged..........

Its better than most of the songs not listed above but to call it better than those is a BOLD Statement

but hey, its whatever u like I guess.

I think Better is the one of the worst GNR songs ever TBH. I absolutely hate it. WAY too poppy to be GNR.

[Voodoochild]

And that is a BOLD statement.

[russtcb]

I love CD, don't get me wrong but WTTJ, SCOM, Estranged..........

Its better than most of the songs not listed above but to call it better than those is a BOLD Statement

but hey, its whatever u like I guess.

I think Better is the one of the worst GNR songs ever TBH. I absolutely hate it. WAY too poppy to be GNR.

WOW! And I guess that's part of what makes GN'R so great in general. How broad the opinions are of their own material in their fan base is a pretty cool statement.

Floyd fans are about the only others that come to mind that way.

[AtariLegend]

Floyd fans are about the only others that come to mind that way.

We both know Roger Waters is "Pink Floyd".

[Smoking Guns]

Floyd fans are about the only others that come to mind that way.

We both know Roger Waters is "Pink Floyd".

HAHAHA, I prefer David Gilmore!

[russtcb]

Floyd fans are about the only others that come to mind that way.

We both know Roger Waters is "Pink Floyd".

HAHAHA, I prefer David Gilmore!

Or maybe you prefer David Gilmour perhaps?