Chinese Democracy Reviews: 9 months later

[Trist805]

I don't hear anything on CD that approaches Estranged

If The World, TWAT, Catcher in The Rye, Madagascar... IMO.  Maybe even This I Love or Sorry.  Not saying one is better than the other, but they are on the same level and I would probably even listen to these more often cuz they are not as long.

[D]

Full disclosure, I am very biased towards Estranged. Its my absolute favorite song in music history so  for me, nothing comes close to it.

I think Catcher has potential to be one of the best songs ever, but it just has too much going on. The Demo was more stripped down with a much better intro etc

the guitar is too loud in the mix and it overshadows Axl's lyrics/vocals and there aren't any memorable licks in it

[Smoking Guns]

I don't hear anything on CD that approaches Estranged

I can't beleive some of the shit I am reading on here.  I think Axl himself knows Estranged is probably one of his deepest songs ever. 

Voodoo, songs you love in GNR are some of my least favorite... You said Scraped and Riad are your two favorites from the album.  These are the two I always skip.... But I can't get enough of If The World, now that song is awesome.  Its amazing we are both GNR fans, yet our tastes within GNR are vastly different.

[faldor]

I don't hear anything on CD that approaches Estranged

I can't beleive some of the shit I am reading on here.  I think Axl himself knows Estranged is probably one of his deepest songs ever. 

Voodoo, songs you love in GNR are some of my least favorite... You said Scraped and Riad are your two favorites from the album.  These are the two I always skip.... But I can't get enough of If The World, now that song is awesome.  Its amazing we are both GNR fans, yet our tastes within GNR are vastly different.

God forbid people have opinions of their own and like some of the new songs better than the old.  Didn't know that was forbidden.

I too love "Scraped", one of my favorites on the album.  And I never truly appreciated Riad until I got the album and listened to it 100's of times.  Now I see the greatness.

[Smoking Guns]

I don't hear anything on CD that approaches Estranged

I can't beleive some of the shit I am reading on here.  I think Axl himself knows Estranged is probably one of his deepest songs ever. 

Voodoo, songs you love in GNR are some of my least favorite... You said Scraped and Riad are your two favorites from the album.  These are the two I always skip.... But I can't get enough of If The World, now that song is awesome.  Its amazing we are both GNR fans, yet our tastes within GNR are vastly different.

God forbid people have opinions of their own and like some of the new songs better than the old.  Didn't know that was forbidden.

I too love "Scraped", one of my favorites on the album.  And I never truly appreciated Riad until I got the album and listened to it 100's of times.  Now I see the greatness.

You can have an opinion... But don't drop the word "greatest" around so much.  It really cheapens the word in my opinion.

[AxlsMainMan]

Well thank Gawd your opinion isn't gospel around here.

[D]

Lord don't get me started on the 'Greatest" "thing again

Everything about Estranged is way better than all of CD combined

It has the amazing lyrics, the emotion of This I Love

Musically it just can't be matched.

Axl's piano interludes are unmatched, Slash's guitar melodies are unmatched

the way the song changes mood and feel and it has SO many different sections.

It truly is an Epic and the greatest song of all time.

Better is a Pro Tool cut and paste hatchet job of a song

If The World is great don't get me wrong but it doesn't have the complexity or the musical changes Estranged does

[AxlsMainMan]

I don't think If The World is even trying to be complex like Estranged.

It's a fun, easy-going pop-rock song. Estranged is an all-out epic.

[seely]

IMO There Was A Time and Prostitute are nearly as epic enough to rival estranged and NR

[russtcb]

Ah... the internet. The only place where someone can tell you that your opinion doesn't matter whilst trying to force their opinion on you.

I personally believe Better and TWaT are both superior tracks to anything GN'R has done in the past. I get that people like Estrange, WttJ, etc...... fair enough. I love those tracks as well. However, I enjoy Better and TWaT more. So having said that, it makes those 2 songs superior to those older songs IMO.

Where's the problem?

[ppbebe]

I take TWAT over NR and estranged. they are all great but twat is the handsomest. from the intro bit right after the choir it gives me a throb.

Ah... the internet. The only place where someone can tell you that your opinion doesn't matter whilst trying to force their opinion on you

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so true.

enough of negative campaign against new songs. it can't change our appreciation of cd.

[Smoking Guns]

Ah... the internet. The only place where someone can tell you that your opinion doesn't matter whilst trying to force their opinion on you.

I personally believe Better and TWaT are both superior tracks to anything GN'R has done in the past. I get that people like Estrange, WttJ, etc...... fair enough. I love those tracks as well. However, I enjoy Better and TWaT more. So having said that, it makes those 2 songs superior to those older songs IMO.

Where's the problem?

If Estranged was on CD and Twat was on UYI, would you say the same thing?

Doubt it.

[ppbebe]

If Estranged was on CD and Twat was on UYI, would you say the same thing?

Doubt it.

that means paul dizzy robin bh chris etc were on UYI. 

howbout you? would you still say the same things about the songs?

Strongly Doubt it.

[russtcb]

Ah... the internet. The only place where someone can tell you that your opinion doesn't matter whilst trying to force their opinion on you.

I personally believe Better and TWaT are both superior tracks to anything GN'R has done in the past. I get that people like Estrange, WttJ, etc...... fair enough. I love those tracks as well. However, I enjoy Better and TWaT more. So having said that, it makes those 2 songs superior to those older songs IMO.

Where's the problem?

If Estranged was on CD and Twat was on UYI, would you say the same thing?

Doubt it.

If TWaT was on UYI and sounded exactly as it does on CD and vice versa, ofcourse I would. I get what you're saying. You're saying I'm claiming TWaT is superior only because it's on CD... which is ridiculous. I might ask the same of you in reverse, but I wouldn't do that because I'm taking a leap of faith in saying you like those older songs just because of your personal opinion, not some unfounded bias against CD or the lineup the recorded it.

[Smoking Guns]

Ah... the internet. The only place where someone can tell you that your opinion doesn't matter whilst trying to force their opinion on you.

I personally believe Better and TWaT are both superior tracks to anything GN'R has done in the past. I get that people like Estrange, WttJ, etc...... fair enough. I love those tracks as well. However, I enjoy Better and TWaT more. So having said that, it makes those 2 songs superior to those older songs IMO.

Where's the problem?

If Estranged was on CD and Twat was on UYI, would you say the same thing?

Doubt it.

If TWaT was on UYI and sounded exactly as it does on CD and vice versa, ofcourse I would. I get what you're saying. You're saying I'm claiming TWaT is superior only because it's on CD... which is ridiculous. I might ask the same of you in reverse, but I wouldn't do that because I'm taking a leap of faith in saying you like those older songs just because of your personal opinion, not some unfounded bias against CD or the lineup the recorded it.

If CD came out in 87, and Appetite came out in 2008, and Robin, Richard, Frank were original members and in 2008 we get PC, SCOM, WTTJ I think we could all still be objective and not be able to deny the power of those older songs.  If the World can hang easily with the back catalog....  TWAT is good, but its more on the level of Breakdown (which is very very good).. But Don't Cry, NR, and Estranged back to back to back are all so hard to beat.

[russtcb]

Ah... the internet. The only place where someone can tell you that your opinion doesn't matter whilst trying to force their opinion on you.

I personally believe Better and TWaT are both superior tracks to anything GN'R has done in the past. I get that people like Estrange, WttJ, etc...... fair enough. I love those tracks as well. However, I enjoy Better and TWaT more. So having said that, it makes those 2 songs superior to those older songs IMO.

Where's the problem?

If Estranged was on CD and Twat was on UYI, would you say the same thing?

Doubt it.

If TWaT was on UYI and sounded exactly as it does on CD and vice versa, ofcourse I would. I get what you're saying. You're saying I'm claiming TWaT is superior only because it's on CD... which is ridiculous. I might ask the same of you in reverse, but I wouldn't do that because I'm taking a leap of faith in saying you like those older songs just because of your personal opinion, not some unfounded bias against CD or the lineup the recorded it.

If CD came out in 87, and Appetite came out in 2008, and Robin, Richard, Frank were original members and in 2008 we get PC, SCOM, WTTJ I think we could all still be objective and not be able to deny the power of those older songs.  If the World can hang easily with the back catalog....  TWAT is good, but its more on the level of Breakdown (which is very very good).. But Don't Cry, NR, and Estranged back to back to back are all so hard to beat.

And again, I disagree. I think everything on CD stands up to the back catalog except (IMO) SR. And on top of that I think Better and TWaT not only stand up to, but are superior to anything on the first several albums.

[D]

Ah... the internet. The only place where someone can tell you that your opinion doesn't matter whilst trying to force their opinion on you.

I personally believe Better and TWaT are both superior tracks to anything GN'R has done in the past. I get that people like Estrange, WttJ, etc...... fair enough. I love those tracks as well. However, I enjoy Better and TWaT more. So having said that, it makes those 2 songs superior to those older songs IMO.

Where's the problem?

I am saying that is fine BUT WTTJ etc are so worn out and are 20 years old, so of course the fresher, newer thing is gonna be better because it hasn't been played to death.

[AtariLegend]

Chinese Democracy - Good
Shackler's Revenge - Not Good
Better - Very Good
Street Of Dreams - Beautiful
If The World - Good
There Was A Time - Great
Catcher In The Rye - Good
Scraped - Average
Riad N' The Bedouins - Good
Sorry - Good
I.R.S. - Good
Madagascar - Very Good
This I Love - Beautiful
Prostitute - Good

Overall - Very Good

[russtcb]

Ah... the internet. The only place where someone can tell you that your opinion doesn't matter whilst trying to force their opinion on you.

I personally believe Better and TWaT are both superior tracks to anything GN'R has done in the past. I get that people like Estrange, WttJ, etc...... fair enough. I love those tracks as well. However, I enjoy Better and TWaT more. So having said that, it makes those 2 songs superior to those older songs IMO.

Where's the problem?

I am saying that is fine BUT WTTJ etc are so worn out and are 20 years old, so of course the fresher, newer thing is gonna be better because it hasn't been played to death.

I can respect that, but it's honestly not the issue for me. I listen to WttJ now and again and it isn't played out for me. It is, was and always will be one of the greatest rocks tracks ever recorded. I just happen to find Better to be superior.

[ppbebe]

again Ive already listened to cd more than old albums and it only cultivates my appreciation of cd. I don't care if anyone prefers songs that are not on cd to the ones on cd.  it also depends on your impressibility. but this thread is about cd. Why a few in here hate to see others loving the latest release of 'their fav band' so much is totally beyond me.

If CD came out in 87, and Appetite came out in 2008, and Robin, Richard, Frank were original members and in 2008 we get PC, SCOM, WTTJ I think we could all still be objective and not be able to deny the power of those older songs. 

That'd be retrogression. Last time I checked, the universe hasn't started its contraction yet. Can't you see the absurdity of making such an impossible supposition?