Will Chinese Democracy be nominated for a Grammy?

[faldor]

Seems like the Grammy nominees usually have a certain amount of buzz leading up to the nomination announcement.  Gn'R has no such buzz (as it stands now)...so I highly doubt they will be nominated (unless it is some obscure category like "best use of chicken bucket (non-classical)." 

Again, that's not necessarily the case.  As has been pointed out, the grammys aren't a popularity contest where they look to reward the best selling or most heavily promoted albums.  I'm sure if you take a look at a list of past grammy winners, even in the MAJOR categories, you'd be surprised at some of the names you see.

[faldor]

From Wiki:

Record companies and individuals may submit recording to be nominated.

I kinda doubt Interscope/Universal Music in the USA will do that....

They must be busy with Lady Gaga and the Pussycat Dolls.





/jarmo

Yeah, I had the same thought when I read that.  Although I do think it deserves recognition, I wouldn't hold out too much hope.  You never know though.

[Jdog0830]

Agreed but we will see if these people will do the same thing as the dam radio people did with CD and hell yeah nominate it for a couple of gramies CD deserves it

The votes and nominees aren't supposed to have anything to do with record-sales and popularity. So in a perfect world, they simply can't ignore it! 

From Wiki:

"Record companies and individuals may submit recording to be nominated. The entries are entered online and then a physical copy of the product must be sent to the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences. Once a work is entered, reviewing sessions are held by over 150 experts from the recording industry. This is done only to determine whether or not a work is eligible or entered into the proper category for official nomination. They may vote to nominate in the general field (Record of the Year, Album of the Year, Song of the Year and Best New Artist) and in no more than nine out of 30 other fields on their ballots."

Thats not what I ment to say is that they could just ignore CD all together like the radio dick heads

[The Illusionist]

I believe that Chinese Democracy deserves a Grammy nod, but it will not happen.

1. Axl won't show up to accept the award

-This is the number one reason. There's just nothing in it for the Grammys to nominate Axl. He's not going to show up, so why bother honoring him.
2. This album is a non-entity in the U.S.

-It gets zero airply. It doesn't chart. No videos. No promotion. No tour. No band photo. It's a ghost.

It's too bad, really - Grammy recognition could really kickstart this album.

Why would he show up to MTV VMA's on two separate ocassions but not the Grammy's??  I don't get it...

[gilld1]

From Wiki:

Record companies and individuals may submit recording to be nominated.

I kinda doubt Interscope/Universal Music in the USA will do that....

They must be busy with Lady Gaga and the Pussycat Dolls.





/jarmo

Who doesn't like ladies and pussy?  Just kidding.  It's all political and I think it is safe to say that GnR doesn't have a favorable light shining on them now.

[Naltav]

From Wiki:

Record companies and individuals may submit recording to be nominated.

I kinda doubt Interscope/Universal Music in the USA will do that....

They must be busy with Lady Gaga and the Pussycat Dolls.





/jarmo

Who doesn't like ladies and pussy?  Just kidding.  It's all political and I think it is safe to say that GnR doesn't have a favorable light shining on them now.

That could very well be the reason why some of the Recording Academy-members would wanna shine some light on CD....     Like: "Hey! There this musical gem out there that people have either forgotten about or don't even know exists. And it's f***in' awesome!"

And for those of you saying: "Not gonna happen! Because the album flopped and it had little or no promotion"  That stuff doesn't count when it comes to this award.

From grammy.com:  "The GRAMMYs are the only peer-presented award to honor artistic achievement, technical proficiency and overall excellence in the recording industry, without regard to album sales or chart position."

As far as I found out, the show is in February and the nominees are announced sometime around January. So we're just gonna have to wait and see if it happens...   

[ppbebe]

would be nice but like j dog said it depends on how fair the 150 experts from the recording industry are.

[Drew]

I kinda doubt Interscope/Universal Music in the USA will do that....

They must be busy with Lady Gaga and the Pussycat Dolls.

Yes, most likely so. But they are a business and in business to make a profit and publicize their clients who can bring in the most money for the record label as much as possible.

[Moonlight J]

The more I ponder it, the more I realize that album has to be at least nominated. Say what you will, but musically speaking, I think it's excellent. I've never heard anything like it, to be sure. I don't think it's something that could be ignored by those in the biz, but Axl's been shafted plenty in the past, so who knows? Is this what Axl is waiting on? Can we help push for the nomination in some way?
As far as album of the year goes, what's been better than CD? Enlighten me, please.

[jarmo]

Like with everything, there's a bunch of egos involved.

Will they nominate Axl, a guy who obviously does things on his terms or will they prefer to shower nominations on somebody who plays their game?





/jarmo

[tippasaurus]

Seems like the Grammy nominees usually have a certain amount of buzz leading up to the nomination announcement.  Gn'R has no such buzz (as it stands now)...so I highly doubt they will be nominated (unless it is some obscure category like "best use of chicken bucket (non-classical)." 

Again, that's not necessarily the case.  As has been pointed out, the grammys aren't a popularity contest where they look to reward the best selling or most heavily promoted albums.  I'm sure if you take a look at a list of past grammy winners, even in the MAJOR categories, you'd be surprised at some of the names you see.

Perhaps, but when I use the word "buzz" I don't necessarily equate that to popularity.  All it takes is a few critics talking about how good an album is, or if it makes "year end" lists, that's enough of a buzz to catapult it into a Grammy nomination.  The artists on this metacritic list aren't "popular" per se, but I wouldn't bat an eye if they were nominated for a Grammy.

http://www.metacritic.com/music/bests/2008.shtml

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Hercules And Love Affair by Hercules And Love Affair 
For Emma, Forever Ago by Bon Iver 
Oracular Spectacular by MGMT 
Only By The Night by Kings of Leon 
Volume One by She & Him 
Devotion by Beach House 
Dig!!! Lazarus Dig!!! by Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds 
The Seldom Seen Kid by Elbow 
Microcastle by Deerhunter 
Saturdays=Youth by M83 
Stay Positive by The Hold Steady 
London Zoo by The Bug 
Alopecia by Why? 
Other People by American Princes 
Rituals by Nicola Conte 
Traced In Air by Cynic 


 GnR has neither popularity (ie record sales) nor "buzz" on their side.  

[Drew]

Like with everything, there's a bunch of egos involved.

Will they nominate Axl, a guy who obviously does things on his terms or will they prefer to shower nominations on somebody who plays their game?

Look at it like an employee at a corporation. Which will be rewarded? Someone who does what they want or on their terms, or someone who does what is in the best interest of the company?

[Spirit]

It would stand strong in the production/engineer categories.

The album is criticaly appraised for its so sound. Especially the mastering.

[Naltav]

Like with everything, there's a bunch of egos involved.

Will they nominate Axl, a guy who obviously does things on his terms or will they prefer to shower nominations on somebody who plays their game?

Look at it like an employee at a corporation. Which will be rewarded? Someone who does what they want or on their terms, or someone who does what is in the best interest of the company?

Who's the "company" in your metaphore?

[jarmo]

Like with everything, there's a bunch of egos involved.

Will they nominate Axl, a guy who obviously does things on his terms or will they prefer to shower nominations on somebody who plays their game?

Look at it like an employee at a corporation. Which will be rewarded? Someone who does what they want or on their terms, or someone who does what is in the best interest of the company?

True. But in the world of art, music included, the art should come first. Not the business/bullshit.




/jarmo

[Drew]

True. But in the world of art, music included, the art should come first. Not the business/bullshit.

I agree Jarmo but if a business does not make a profit if won't last.

And if it's really about art, why would you want to make money off of your art? It's all about the green, for everyone.

[jarmo]

True. But in the world of art, music included, the art should come first. Not the business/bullshit.

I agree Jarmo but if a business does not make a profit if won't last.

And if it's really about art, why would you want to make money off of your art? It's all about the green, for everyone.

An award shouldn't be about money, unless it's the award for biggest sales etc.

That's the point. GN'R should be nominated for the art alone.

But so many people in the business are too concerned about their own egos and showing others that they can't get away with anything.




/jarmo

[Drew]

An award shouldn't be about money, unless it's the award for biggest sales etc.

That's the point. GN'R should be nominated for the art alone.

But so many people in the business are too concerned about their own egos and showing others that they can't get away with anything.

I completely agree.

Yes, it would be nice if GN'R was recognized for their achievement but I think it's a little bit naive to take any of these awards shows like the Grammy's, MTV VMA's, and the Oscar's seriously. There's only one award that is creditable and that's the awards that comes from the enjoyment the fans get out of their specific entertainers music.

[King Axl]

I don't see it happening.

"This I Love" would be an ideal song to submit for consideration, but in what category? Record of the year? Song of the year?

Those categories are always compiled of songs that were released as singles, and received radio airplay. Unfortunately, "This I Love" falls into neither.

[faldor]

Seems like the Grammy nominees usually have a certain amount of buzz leading up to the nomination announcement.  Gn'R has no such buzz (as it stands now)...so I highly doubt they will be nominated (unless it is some obscure category like "best use of chicken bucket (non-classical)." 

Again, that's not necessarily the case.  As has been pointed out, the grammys aren't a popularity contest where they look to reward the best selling or most heavily promoted albums.  I'm sure if you take a look at a list of past grammy winners, even in the MAJOR categories, you'd be surprised at some of the names you see.

Perhaps, but when I use the word "buzz" I don't necessarily equate that to popularity.  All it takes is a few critics talking about how good an album is, or if it makes "year end" lists, that's enough of a buzz to catapult it into a Grammy nomination.  The artists on this metacritic list aren't "popular" per se, but I wouldn't bat an eye if they were nominated for a Grammy.

http://www.metacritic.com/music/bests/2008.shtml

Dear Science, by TV On The Radio
 Fleet Foxes by Fleet Foxes 
Third by Portishead 
Hercules And Love Affair by Hercules And Love Affair 
For Emma, Forever Ago by Bon Iver 
Oracular Spectacular by MGMT 
Only By The Night by Kings of Leon 
Volume One by She & Him 
Devotion by Beach House 
Dig!!! Lazarus Dig!!! by Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds 
The Seldom Seen Kid by Elbow 
Microcastle by Deerhunter 
Saturdays=Youth by M83 
Stay Positive by The Hold Steady 
London Zoo by The Bug 
Alopecia by Why? 
Other People by American Princes 
Rituals by Nicola Conte 
Traced In Air by Cynic 


 GnR has neither popularity (ie record sales) nor "buzz" on their side.  

Are we using metacritic as the ultimate judge here?  Chinese Democracy received pretty good reviews overall and was on many best album of 2008 lists, namely Rolling Stone and Classic Rock if I recall correctly.  Just because they didn't crack metacritics list, doesn't mean there's no hope in sight.