What is it people fail to understand about Chinese Democracy?

[The Glow Inc.]

Yeah...well...that's the usual negativity surrounding Axl...

I can understand why he doesn't want to promote anything. But on the other hand, it's just sad for this amazing collection of songs.

And you're right, ultimately, it's up to GnR since it's their music after all. As long as there is still something good coming from them in the future, I'm ok with whatever they do 

( aka : please don't let this band die  )

[jarmo]

yes but what I'm implying is that while he didn't speak the media talked shit about him
if a musician has to keep speaking to the media to prevent that, isn't it a threat?
freedom of speech is not liberty of lie.

What lies were told?  And by media we're talking news, not gossip columns, right?  Because if we're talking about one of those gossip tabloids versus a reputable source, then he's not alone in the bashing.

The media includes everything, including those who aren't particularly interested in checking facts.

Often you see a somewhat "reputable" news source add some completely off topic mention to their stories.



/jarmo

[russtcb]

Yeah...well...that's the usual negativity surrounding Axl...

I can understand why he doesn't want to promote anything. But on the other hand, it's just sad for this amazing collection of songs.

And you're right, ultimately, it's up to GnR since it's their music after all. As long as there is still something good coming from them in the future, I'm ok with whatever they do 

( aka : please don't let this band die  )

I gotta agree. I really really hope this band isn't dying.

[The Catcher]

sorry to go off topic but "Thriller" was the only song MJ didn't have a hand in writing

he wrote Beat it, Billie Jean, Human Nature......

no idea what u are talking about.

Not to go off-topic but he actually did have a hand in writing Thriller too. Rod Temperton had originally written the song to be about "starlight night", Michael wanted the whole horror movie theme instead and they changed the song together and Michael got the idea to the now legendary music video. So yes, I would very much give him credit for Thriller too. And no, he didn't write Human Nature. Steve Porcaro and John Bettis did.

[Jdog0830]

sorry to go off topic but "Thriller" was the only song MJ didn't have a hand in writing

he wrote Beat it, Billie Jean, Human Nature......

no idea what u are talking about.

Not to go off-topic but he actually did have a hand in writing Thriller too. Rod Temperton had originally written the song to be about "starlight night", Michael wanted the whole horror movie theme instead and they changed the song together and Michael got the idea to the now legendary music video. So yes, I would very much give him credit for Thriller too.

Agreed but lets talk about this in the respected thread k...

[peter7411226]

yes but what I'm implying is that while he didn't speak the media talked shit about him
if a musician has to keep speaking to the media to prevent that, isn't it a threat?
freedom of speech is not liberty of lie.

What lies were told?  And by media we're talking news, not gossip columns, right?  Because if we're talking about one of those gossip tabloids versus a reputable source, then he's not alone in the bashing.

The media includes everything, including those who aren't particularly interested in checking facts.

Often you see a somewhat "reputable" news source add some completely off topic mention to their stories.



/jarmo

Thats exactly why you hire publicists to refute such stories.

[jarmo]

yes but what I'm implying is that while he didn't speak the media talked shit about him
if a musician has to keep speaking to the media to prevent that, isn't it a threat?
freedom of speech is not liberty of lie.

What lies were told?  And by media we're talking news, not gossip columns, right?  Because if we're talking about one of those gossip tabloids versus a reputable source, then he's not alone in the bashing.

The media includes everything, including those who aren't particularly interested in checking facts.

Often you see a somewhat "reputable" news source add some completely off topic mention to their stories.



/jarmo

Thats exactly why you hire publicists to refute such stories.

Unfortunately in the real world, shit is printed with big bold letters and the corrections never make the front pages or headlines....





/jarmo

[peter7411226]

yes but what I'm implying is that while he didn't speak the media talked shit about him
if a musician has to keep speaking to the media to prevent that, isn't it a threat?
freedom of speech is not liberty of lie.

What lies were told?  And by media we're talking news, not gossip columns, right?  Because if we're talking about one of those gossip tabloids versus a reputable source, then he's not alone in the bashing.

The media includes everything, including those who aren't particularly interested in checking facts.

Often you see a somewhat "reputable" news source add some completely off topic mention to their stories.



/jarmo

Thats exactly why you hire publicists to refute such stories.

Unfortunately in the real world, shit is printed with big bold letters and the corrections never make the front pages or headlines....





/jarmo

But thats exactly my point. Publicists are hired to give statements refuting rumors or shit printed about the band. The band doesnt have to answer everything personally. You pay people to do this for you. And im sure somebody's on there payroll who is collecting money for doing nothing.

[Continental Drift]

yes but what I'm implying is that while he didn't speak the media talked shit about him
if a musician has to keep speaking to the media to prevent that, isn't it a threat?
freedom of speech is not liberty of lie.

What lies were told?  And by media we're talking news, not gossip columns, right?  Because if we're talking about one of those gossip tabloids versus a reputable source, then he's not alone in the bashing.

The media includes everything, including those who aren't particularly interested in checking facts.

Often you see a somewhat "reputable" news source add some completely off topic mention to their stories.



/jarmo

Thats exactly why you hire publicists to refute such stories.

Unfortunately in the real world, shit is printed with big bold letters and the corrections never make the front pages or headlines....





/jarmo

But thats exactly my point. Publicists are hired to give statements refuting rumors or shit printed about the band. The band doesnt have to answer everything personally. You pay people to do this for you. And im sure somebody's on there payroll who is collecting money for doing nothing.

Doug Goldstein used to be great at that IMHO. From the band's hey-day up through the late 90's it always seemed like DG would show up fast in a press release or interview to set shit straight when the media was spreading misinformation about the band. Not sure if he had a falling out with Axl (he is "thanked" in the CD booklet though)- or whether he simply moved on to other things- or what- but I think the band- at least when they hit the road again- could really use someone like DG to watch their backs...

[peter7411226]

yes but what I'm implying is that while he didn't speak the media talked shit about him
if a musician has to keep speaking to the media to prevent that, isn't it a threat?
freedom of speech is not liberty of lie.

What lies were told?  And by media we're talking news, not gossip columns, right?  Because if we're talking about one of those gossip tabloids versus a reputable source, then he's not alone in the bashing.

The media includes everything, including those who aren't particularly interested in checking facts.

Often you see a somewhat "reputable" news source add some completely off topic mention to their stories.



/jarmo

Thats exactly why you hire publicists to refute such stories.

Unfortunately in the real world, shit is printed with big bold letters and the corrections never make the front pages or headlines....





/jarmo

But thats exactly my point. Publicists are hired to give statements refuting rumors or shit printed about the band. The band doesnt have to answer everything personally. You pay people to do this for you. And im sure somebody's on there payroll who is collecting money for doing nothing.

Doug Goldstein used to be great at that IMHO. From the band's hey-day up through the late 90's it always seemed like DG would show up fast in a press release or interview to set shit straight when the media was spreading misinformation about the band. Not sure if he had a falling out with Axl (he is "thanked" in the CD booklet though)- or whether he simply moved on to other things- or what- but I think the band- at least when they hit the road again- could really use someone like DG to watch their backs...

Yeah especially since the guy from the Eagles of Death Metal seems to be giving his band free publicity at Axl's expense. He did it again today. Im all for promoting your band but when you have to do it at someone else's expense its kind of Pussy!! Something needs to be said.

[ppbebe]

But they've said something already @ the official site. prolly they can't be bothered with such a pretty band anymore.

[fear the juggalo 2]

does anyone think if cd wins a grammy it will re-enter the charts? what are the chances that it gets nominated?

[Jdog0830]

does anyone think if cd wins a grammy it will re-enter the charts? what are the chances that it gets nominated?

I wouldnt know but if it got more air time well everywhere then I think GN'R would have a shot at it.

[clau68]

Well, I don?t know if people fail to understand CD. But, for me it is each day a better album.  Yesterdays I was listening to a lot of music, many bands that I like and then I listened to CD and I really think that CD is one of the best albums I have listened to. I wasn?t thinking in controversy, just listen music of many bands and I really love CD and I think it is a whole wonderful album. The lyrics are very deep and the music is very good and Axl ?s voice amazing as forever. After eight month I love more CD.

[+Rocker+]

"perhaps" there's exist a little bit posibility that Chinese Democracy is not as great as fan think.

[faldor]

does anyone think if cd wins a grammy it will re-enter the charts? what are the chances that it gets nominated?

I don't know if it will get nominated, I would guess probably not the way things have been handled to this point.  But IF it did it's pretty much been proven that winning a grammy or even being nominated makes a big difference in terms of sales.  Years back Herbie Hancock won a grammy for album of the year and sales that were less than stellar before skyrocketed right after.

Another example of people needing to be told what is good and what they should buy.

[RancidPunx]

yes but what I'm implying is that while he didn't speak the media talked shit about him
if a musician has to keep speaking to the media to prevent that, isn't it a threat?
freedom of speech is not liberty of lie.

You make it as if Axl/GNR never did interviews or videos before. Fuck, were any of you around for AFD/LIES/UYI? GNR was everywhere. Videos, radio, interviews,MTV,the list goes on? Were Axl/GNR prostituting themselves then? Being forced out there by big,bad Geffen? FUCK NO! They chose to promote their art that they were proud of. You can make a million excuses but it comes down to radio,magazines etc. are not gonna give a shit if the band is not out there promoting it. There are too many bands who will talk,etc for them to care about those that don't. It isn't "kissing ass" it is being proud of what you made and getting the word out.

LOL@ whoever said that the public doesn't know about CD. Anyone who is remotely into Rock music knows its out. Whether they care or not at this point is another story. I still think a song like Catcher has mainstream potential if it gets a chance.

[D]

I've been thinking alot about this lately

and have u wondered why over the last decade, there aren't many bands out there that will stand the test of time?

I mean is the music really that bad?

I have often said, the reason most music doesn't last is just overexposure.

After seeing Fred Durst for the 200th time, people got sick of him

back in the 80's, early 90's, u had the music,Interviews,MTV/videos and concerts

that was it. So u were left with this mystery of what they were like or what they were doing and there was so much anticipation

These days, there is no excitement, no mystery.. every musician seems like an average joe, no body is larger than life like back in the day.

I think the less u see/hear someone famous the better for the mystique and for the longevity

now Axl can't be excused for no video etc but when u sit back and think of all the overexposed famous people and how sick u get of them, isn't a small part of u happy that Axl is kind of the last of the dying old school breed?

There is kind of a greatness and brilliance in not Twittering and not being in the paparazzi etc.

[Gargh!]

D, I think that after only a decade it's a little early to say who will and who will not stand the test of time.  Only (a good deal more) time will tell.  There was a lot of absolute crap in the eighties, we just remember the memorable stuff.

[D]

D, I think that after only a decade it's a little early to say who will and who will not stand the test of time.  Only (a good deal more) time will tell.  There was a lot of absolute crap in the eighties, we just remember the memorable stuff.

true but when u heard the great bands that are still around today, u knew they were great then

no Metallica,GNR,Chili's Bon Jovi,U2, Prince, Michael Jackson,Madonna coming out of this lot of music


think of the great bands before the 80's.

what has changed?

I refuse to believe DL has completely destroyed everything.