What is it people fail to understand about Chinese Democracy?

[GNR_Green]

The music isn't the problem.  It's PR.  Green Day are big because they are easily marketed.  GN'R are neither easily marketed (not since 1992 anyway) and in fact fail to even attempt to market themselves by not even playing gigs.  The poor reception outside of the fans is due to bad or no PR.  In fact GN'R have even done a good job at alienating the fans never mind the doubters!

[peter7411226]

The music isn't the problem.  It's PR.  Green Day are big because they are easily marketed.  GN'R are neither easily marketed (not since 1992 anyway) and in fact fail to even attempt to market themselves by not even playing gigs.  The poor reception outside of the fans is due to bad or no PR.  In fact GN'R have even done a good job at alienating the fans never mind the doubters!

You make valid points but you also need some info for PR to market you. I think a definitive statement has to come out saying who's in the band. Finally say This is My Band rather than give dismissive statements. I think the band members deserve that. They deserve to be recognized for there contributions. The reunion rumors and speculation will always exist until they make some sort of definitive statement regarding the band.

[Anywaythewindblows]

The reunion rumors and speculation will always exist until they make some sort of definitive statement regarding the band.

I thought Axl was pretty clear about the reunion thing in the last interviews, weren't those some kind of definitive statements? 

[peter7411226]

The reunion rumors and speculation will always exist until they make some sort of definitive statement regarding the band.

I thought Axl was pretty clear about the reunion thing in the last interviews, weren't those some kind of definitive statements? 

His answer on who was in the lineup was pretty vague in that interview. What im saying is that someone should come out and say who is in the band right now. Promote this lineup as GNR. Let the world know who is in the band. Till they do this im sure the speculations about reunions will always be around.

[AxlsMainMan]

Till they do this im sure the speculations about reunions will always be around.

Well, that's up to the speculators if they want to waste their lives speculating about a reunion when Axl has said in plain English that it ain't happenin'.

[Classic Case]

Save for the die hards like us most people around the world still think that the old members are still in the band.

Anyone who thinks that doesn't know who are the old members, I imagine.

not always..there are just casual rock fans out there, the ones in their 30's and 40's who have kids and a busy life who can't keep up with the band like we do.  They just ASSUME that Slash is in the band since it has the name Guns N Roses on it.  These are also the same people who have no idea "Chinese Democracy" came out. The amount of people I meet who have no idea the album even came out is disturbing...

dude, let me tell you that ur damn wrong bout that, Im in my 30's work 2 jobs and I exactly know whos in the band, and pretty much lot of my friends do, I have a 15 year old kid whos a fan also, he and hes friends love GNR and love Cinese Dem, but they dont knwo exactly whos in the band, and is not theyr fault, the band is changin members every now and then, been times when even we didnt know whos in the band!....

[freddiebrph]

The reunion rumors and speculation will always exist until they make some sort of definitive statement regarding the band.

I thought Axl was pretty clear about the reunion thing in the last interviews, weren't those some kind of definitive statements? 

He also saID IN THE SAME INTERVIEW that a better video was coming out in a few weeks. That was also pretty clear.

[Anywaythewindblows]

The reunion rumors and speculation will always exist until they make some sort of definitive statement regarding the band.

I thought Axl was pretty clear about the reunion thing in the last interviews, weren't those some kind of definitive statements? 

He also saID IN THE SAME INTERVIEW that a better video was coming out in a few weeks. That was also pretty clear.

So you're comparing a plan that didn't work out for reasons you absolutely ignore with a solid desire, right?

[jarmo]

The reunion rumors and speculation will always exist until they make some sort of definitive statement regarding the band.

I thought Axl was pretty clear about the reunion thing in the last interviews, weren't those some kind of definitive statements? 

He also saID IN THE SAME INTERVIEW that a better video was coming out in a few weeks. That was also pretty clear.

So you're comparing a plan that didn't work out for reasons you absolutely ignore with a solid desire, right?

Hahaha. Good point!


Some people......




/jarmo

[Jim Bob]

that "never say never" group, will they ever go away?

I think Axl's desires have been stated in the most straightforward terms.   Shouldnt' even be a discussion anymore.

[younggunner]

that "never say never" group, will they ever go away?

I think Axl's desires have been stated in the most straightforward terms.   Shouldnt' even be a discussion anymore.

not saying it would happen...but theres always a chance. He can change his mind tomorrow. He his human. Might wake up one day and say fuk it...who knows.

With Axl, anything is possible

[D]

I am definitely a never say never person.


I accept what Axl is doing and I support it, but since RIR III he went from hating everybody to now only hating Slash. So in my mind, that is still progress.


Who ever thought he'd want to collaborate with Duff?

[freddiebrph]

The reunion rumors and speculation will always exist until they make some sort of definitive statement regarding the band.

I thought Axl was pretty clear about the reunion thing in the last interviews, weren't those some kind of definitive statements? 

He also saID IN THE SAME INTERVIEW that a better video was coming out in a few weeks. That was also pretty clear.

So you're comparing a plan that didn't work out for reasons you absolutely ignore with a solid desire, right?

Its always the same.  These "reasons" that no one ever knows. How can I ignore reasons, when I dont even know what they are? With solid desire? The only thing I desire is for my favorite front man to keep doing what I believe he does best. entertain people.  Last I read, it had something to do with Lars?  Whatever!  All I was saying was he said 2 things. The video was coming, but never did.  Sorry, but I see things in life pretty simple, if Axl wanted a video for better, we would have one. Its really not that hard, bands do it everyday. So my point was< He said he video was coming, it never did.  The reasons really dont matter.  He also said a renuion would never happen, but again, since the fans never really get reasons (solid facts) for anything this band does, it really would not be a big surprise.

[Anywaythewindblows]

The reunion rumors and speculation will always exist until they make some sort of definitive statement regarding the band.

I thought Axl was pretty clear about the reunion thing in the last interviews, weren't those some kind of definitive statements? 

He also saID IN THE SAME INTERVIEW that a better video was coming out in a few weeks. That was also pretty clear.

So you're comparing a plan that didn't work out for reasons you absolutely ignore with a solid desire, right?

Its always the same.  These "reasons" that no one ever knows. How can I ignore reasons, when I dont even know what they are? With solid desire? The only thing I desire is for my favorite front man to keep doing what I believe he does best. entertain people.  Last I read, it had something to do with Lars?  Whatever!  All I was saying was he said 2 things. The video was coming, but never did.  Sorry, but I see things in life pretty simple, if Axl wanted a video for better, we would have one. Its really not that hard, bands do it everyday. So my point was< He said he video was coming, it never did.  The reasons really dont matter.  He also said a renuion would never happen, but again, since the fans never really get reasons (solid facts) for anything this band does, it really would not be a big surprise.

Well, you might feel Axl has cheated you, but as much as I'd love to see the Better video, it is something that it's not up to me, so worrying doesn't make much sense.

And yes, bands release videos all the time. "Bands" are not Guns N' Roses, you know. And even when sometimes a promise cannot be satisfied or a release can be delayed, I prefer the GN'R way: making great music and performing awesome concerts (when it comes the right time). I think that if there's no Better video out there is because something wasn't ok, and there's no point in playing detectives. My life goes on meanwhile.

I agree with you that he said the video would shortly come out and it didn't. True. And no reasons were given.

But when Axl said that he doesn't want to have anything to do with Slash, he gave us a ton of reasons on the chats and he expressed his ultimate feeling of beeing as far as he could of Slash and his supporters. The Better video wasn't a thing that depended entirely on his desire, I guess. The Slash thing, yes.

 

[Gargh!]

plus have the general public ever been supportive to the 'most dangerous' band? Really?

Well, enough of them did for the band to fill stadia back in the day.


As for people still thinking a reunion will happen... well, that perception doesn't come only from Axl.  Every now and then Slash or Matt (or more often Adler) will be asked for the umpteenth time "So, what about a GnR reunion?", and they answer: "Hmm, a reunion?  Yeah, who knows maybe someday..."   This is then jumped on and people assume that a reunion is just around the corner.  Axl can say that it won't happen as often as he wants, it just takes one "maybe someday" from a former member to get the rumour mill going again.  When Axl himself says "Hmm, maybe Duff," that pricks folks' ears. That's life.

Axl would also probably need to get into more magazines etc. saying "Nope, not going to happen," than he has done so far.  Yes, he's done a couple of interviews and come on the fan boards (which was braw, not denying it), but if his priority was making sure people don't hanker after a reunion he'd have to say it more often in more media, and he probably can't be bothered with that (who could?).

[Albert S Miller]

plus have the general public ever been supportive to the 'most dangerous' band? Really?

Well, enough of them did for the band to fill stadia back in the day.


As for people still thinking a reunion will happen... well, that perception doesn't come only from Axl.  Every now and then Slash or Matt (or more often Adler) will be asked for the umpteenth time "So, what about a GnR reunion?", and they answer: "Hmm, a reunion?  Yeah, who knows maybe someday..."   This is then jumped on and people assume that a reunion is just around the corner.  Axl can say that it won't happen as often as he wants, it just takes one "maybe someday" from a former member to get the rumour mill going again.  When Axl himself says "Hmm, maybe Duff," that pricks folks' ears. That's life.

Axl would also probably need to get into more magazines etc. saying "Nope, not going to happen," than he has done so far.  Yes, he's done a couple of interviews and come on the fan boards (which was braw, not denying it), but if his priority was making sure people don't hanker after a reunion he'd have to say it more often in more media, and he probably can't be bothered with that (who could?).

Nothing to share with the media in regards to this, he shared his feelings with alot of his fans right here on this very board, so really... whats to talk about, right?

[ppbebe]

plus have the general public ever been supportive to the 'most dangerous' band? Really?

Well, enough of them did for the band to fill stadia back in the day.

you see the irony there don't you?

[Gargh!]

I do yes, but I was making a wider point - that this is a band that A LOT of people cared for once.

[younggunner]

Axl could say no renuin until hes blue in the face. It will always linger until he or Slash dies. And until then it will always be possible. Axl beats to his own drum. At one time he despised all of the alumni..as D pointed out. Not it seems as if he just hates Slash and prob Sorum. But who cares about Sorum. Again, not saying it will happen but its always going to be possible.

I respect whatever Axl does.

It would have been nice to see him dominate with the new band for a decade...2-4 albums, tours, etc....and then wrap up the bow and come out smellin like a rose later on and granting a reunion when he was done with that,,,

[Jim Bob]

fuck a reunion.  shouldn't even be a topic of discussion on this board any longer.