The pirate bay trial/verdict

[norway]

Four people associated with the torrent tracking website The Pirate Bay, including co-founder Peter Sunde (pictured), are found guilty of promoting copyright infringements.

They got 1 year and sentenced to pay 30m. Wow.

[Verse Chorus Verse]

Just for providing the means, assuming without the intent to infringe on copyrights.

The industry is really grasping at straws.

[norway]

The backlash this gets can really ruin a lot for the industry, it's not good commerical and many people are downright mad.

Some countries has demonstrations-
-on the other hand, at one point there also has to be a reaction.

[Alan]

thepiratebay was the reaction, people got sick of being ripped off.

when they were told how much they had to pay one of the pirate bay owners wrote an IOU on a scrap of paper for the court.

[CheapJon]

i'm pretty sure this whole shit has only just begun

and the mp3mediaplayerthingies are more responsible then torrentsites

[AtariLegend]

and the mp3mediaplayerthingies are more responsible then torrentsites

Great so the solution is outlaw music  .

Sites like "Megaupload" and "Rapidshare" I would assume would be better targets, not that I would know anything about it  , but when a certain number of leaks took place, I doubt many people where spending several hours on a torrent site trying to download one song.

[mrlee]

a year in jail. for running a website which doesnt hurt anyone or promote any anti-establishment.

Pathetic.

Fuck the industry.

You want us to buy music? Sign up some good fuckin bands once in a while n maybe the public would think its worth it instead of promoting shit cashcow pop artists like hannah montana.

[Axl4Prez2004]

sorry mrlee, I couldn't agree more with the verdict.  Theft is theft.  Too many folks fail to put themselves in the shoes of those with a product that can be stolen. 

[Jim Bob]

sorry mrlee, I couldn't agree more with the verdict.  Theft is theft.  Too many folks fail to put themselves in the shoes of those with a product that can be stolen. 

quoted for truth 

just because it is possible to download copyrighted media for free, doesn't make it moral or legal.   

[CheapJon]

the industry fought against the technology for too long insted of embraced it, this could have had a happier ending but is no where near the end

[Jim Bob]

the industry fought against the technology for too long insted of embraced it, this could have had a happier ending but is no where near the end

while I agree, it doesn't make it any less stealing or right. 

[Axl4Prez2004]

the industry fought against the technology for too long insted of embraced it, this could have had a happier ending but is no where near the end

So two wrongs make a right? 
Your statement alone sounds like it's coming from somebody who knows they're on the wrong side, but just won't admit it.
"Fought against the technology?"  They are supposed to have embraced peer to peer stealing of their product???  Give me a break.  You know damn well the reason music isn't selling is because there are no real ramifications to theft of the music industry's product.  Just because it's easy to steal doesn't make it right. 

[mrlee]

sorry mrlee, I couldn't agree more with the verdict.  Theft is theft.  Too many folks fail to put themselves in the shoes of those with a product that can be stolen. 

im a musician. i play in a band. we try to sell EP's. We gig.

Dont make any money.

But i wouldnt be anywhere near as knowledgeable on music if it wernt for downloading. Because i wouldnt be able to afford half the music.

yeah, i can buy the odd CD. and i do. i go by these rules.

If i listen to an album, lots, every track rules. Its a purchase.

If i like an album by a new band, who aint making shit loads. Ill buy it to support, along with some merch.

But other then that, i couldnt give a shit if a band doesnt get paid.

i checked out a Kings of Leon album a few months ago thanks to the net. Thank god i did or else that would of been ?15 for something less valuable than toilet roll.

[Axl4Prez2004]

mrlee, you're not the average music fan.  The average music fan is stealing music and then spitting out the same excuses.  As long as stealing music is not prosecuted, it will continue.

[Jim Bob]

I find it soooooo fucking amusing that the people who complain about the quality music out these days is subpar to what it used to be are the same ones who have no issue downloading anything and everything and feel they are entitled to it.

You want good music?  pay for it.   If the music industry was making more money, there would be more good bands out there putting out better material.

[mrlee]

I find it soooooo fucking amusing that the people who complain about the quality music out these days is subpar to what it used to be are the same ones who have no issue downloading anything and everything and feel they are entitled to it.

You want good music?  pay for it.   If the music industry was making more money, there would be more good bands out there putting out better material.

i do pay for good music. But im in the minority that will seek out good music.

Most are happy to fund Lady Ga Ga and other shite like that.

[Axl4Prez2004]

It's Econ. 101.  If a merchant has a store full of merchandise and allows people to go in and "try everything out," it doesn't take a genius to figure out most folks won't come in, browse, and then pay full value for it.  Without enforcement of rules (i.e. no stealing!) a majority of people will walk in, take what they want, and that's that.

I have no sympathy for people who break the rules and get fined thousands/millions of dollars.

[Alan]

sorry mrlee, I couldn't agree more with the verdict.  Theft is theft.  Too many folks fail to put themselves in the shoes of those with a product that can be stolen. 

quoted for truth 

just because it is possible to download copyrighted media for free, doesn't make it moral or legal.   

the verdict was bullshit, the pirate bay hosts no media at all, what they do wasn't illegal, but so much pressure was put onto the judges/govt etc  that they've been fucked over.

and as for morality the major labels can go fuck themselves, they've been ripping people off for decades. i do buy music and one hell of alot of it, but the more shit like this goes on the less likely i am to continue buying it.

don't dish out what you can't take.

if you don't like being ripped off then don't rip people off yourself.

[Jim Bob]

who has been ripped off?

[Alan]

consumers in general.

new CDs here tend to start at around ?13($18), i've seen some get as high as ?20($30), yet you can get them made for as little as 15pence(21cent) each.

you don't consider that a rip off, if things were priced fairly less people would be inclined to download for free, people can't afford to buy everything at those crazily inflated prices, maybe one day the record companies will realise this. but i doubt it, they just seee $$ and could care less about the people who want the product, as shown by the shocking state of some vinyl copies of CD that people got.