Obama Deception You tube video

[Bandita]

Seriously?  If the bonus tax gets voted down it's because it FRIGHTENS people (regular people, NOT just the ones that get million and billion dollar bonuses) that the government can so easily say "hey buddy, we don't like you so we are going to tax you at 90%"

It just sets a bad precedent. 

Granted the whole AIG thing is just a clusterf%%k mess and that money needs to come back but there has to be another way.

[freedom78]

I agree that Bush and Obama are both controlled by the same people.  The motive Freedom78 is that these very people made huge contributions via their companies to Barack on the campaign trail.  That is why he will vote down the bonus tax, cause he took money from these people that helped put him in office.  Nobody can cause change or they will be killed like JFK was.

There's an enormous difference between saying that the banking industry (or corporate America in general) has too much influence in Washington, on one hand, and saying that it's a conspiracy to enslave the world.

And you still didn't explain the motive anywhere near my satisfaction (though that question wasn't addressed to you, in the first place...but I'm still happy to discuss).  Think...if the world is enslaved and all the money is concentrated at the top...why do you need money?  You've already got the world enslaved...do you really need another billion so you can buy more from your enslaved population?  It's nonsense.  You must control everything because...why?  What is it that a multi billionaire cannot afford that would be affordable if this conspiracy were true and were carried out fully?  How can money be the motive of someone with more money than anyone else?  

Also, for the record, one of the wingnuts they feature in that piece, Mr. Webster Tarpley, is so nutty that he actually attended PUMA-Con (the convention of the die-hard Hillary supporters who rallied around the cry "Party unity my ass"...to very little success, I might add...source: http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/the_truth_about_puma_conference_08_you_cant_spell_conference_without_c_o_n/ ).  So, in the same piece they discuss how Obama is a continuation of this evil, how Hillary and Bill are both tied in with the CFR, Trilateral, Bildenberg stuff...and yet he was completely in the tank for Hill?  Come on.      

[Smoking Guns]

I agree that Bush and Obama are both controlled by the same people.  The motive Freedom78 is that these very people made huge contributions via their companies to Barack on the campaign trail.  That is why he will vote down the bonus tax, cause he took money from these people that helped put him in office.  Nobody can cause change or they will be killed like JFK was.

There's an enormous difference between saying that the banking industry (or corporate America in general) has too much influence in Washington, on one hand, and saying that it's a conspiracy to enslave the world.

And you still didn't explain the motive anywhere near my satisfaction (though that question wasn't addressed to you, in the first place...but I'm still happy to discuss).  Think...if the world is enslaved and all the money is concentrated at the top...why do you need money?  You've already got the world enslaved...do you really need another billion so you can buy more from your enslaved population?  It's nonsense.  You must control everything because...why?  What is it that a multi billionaire cannot afford that would be affordable if this conspiracy were true and were carried out fully?  How can money be the motive of someone with more money than anyone else?  

Also, for the record, one of the wingnuts they feature in that piece, Mr. Webster Tarpley, is so nutty that he actually attended PUMA-Con (the convention of the die-hard Hillary supporters who rallied around the cry "Party unity my ass"...to very little success, I might add...source: http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/the_truth_about_puma_conference_08_you_cant_spell_conference_without_c_o_n/ ).  So, in the same piece they discuss how Obama is a continuation of this evil, how Hillary and Bill are both tied in with the CFR, Trilateral, Bildenberg stuff...and yet he was completely in the tank for Hill?  Come on.      

Ha, it is too much influence and the 90% tax is illegal.  Washington is shady as shit and there are some things in this video that are very worrysome.

[Bandita]

Washington shady? Say it aint so!

Look, we all know that no matter what party you fall under there is corruption in some way. 

I don't think these videos are helpful though because they mix half truths with stuff that is just downright nuts and then people come along and just suck it right up.

[D]

I don't doubt this video is bullshit BUT I would like to point out how people buy anti Bush or Republican videos hook line and sinker, but when the shoe is on the other foot, it is all hogwash


just saying

Excuse me but I pointed out in my 1st post that the "Bush is in a Satanic Cult" videos are hogwash as well.  They are all the same BS, repackaged to fit the day.

Bandita, we've all said that, yet D seems to think we all lap that shit up...despite the fact we've said we don't. 
D, what anti-Bush/anti-Republican videos are we all watching that we're not aware of?     Damn, Bush didn't need all that shit to make him look bad. 

I'm not only talking about people on the forum, just in general.  I remember when Micheal Moore stuff came out, I saw Bush being accused of being behind the 9-11 attacks to all kinds of other shit. Bush was incompetent, I give you that, but every single thing was micro analyzed.

even with Obama, I see not one person mentioning anything about his special olympic remark. Sure it was a joke, but what if Bush had said something dumb like that?  There would be a 20 page thread on it right now.

[Bandita]

Bush said about 6 billion dumb things like that.  That's why there were Bush-isms.

[freedom78]

I agree that Bush and Obama are both controlled by the same people.  The motive Freedom78 is that these very people made huge contributions via their companies to Barack on the campaign trail.  That is why he will vote down the bonus tax, cause he took money from these people that helped put him in office.  Nobody can cause change or they will be killed like JFK was.

There's an enormous difference between saying that the banking industry (or corporate America in general) has too much influence in Washington, on one hand, and saying that it's a conspiracy to enslave the world.

And you still didn't explain the motive anywhere near my satisfaction (though that question wasn't addressed to you, in the first place...but I'm still happy to discuss).  Think...if the world is enslaved and all the money is concentrated at the top...why do you need money?  You've already got the world enslaved...do you really need another billion so you can buy more from your enslaved population?  It's nonsense.  You must control everything because...why?  What is it that a multi billionaire cannot afford that would be affordable if this conspiracy were true and were carried out fully?  How can money be the motive of someone with more money than anyone else?  

Also, for the record, one of the wingnuts they feature in that piece, Mr. Webster Tarpley, is so nutty that he actually attended PUMA-Con (the convention of the die-hard Hillary supporters who rallied around the cry "Party unity my ass"...to very little success, I might add...source: http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/the_truth_about_puma_conference_08_you_cant_spell_conference_without_c_o_n/ ).  So, in the same piece they discuss how Obama is a continuation of this evil, how Hillary and Bill are both tied in with the CFR, Trilateral, Bildenberg stuff...and yet he was completely in the tank for Hill?  Come on.      

Ha, it is too much influence and the 90% tax is illegal.  Washington is shady as shit and there are some things in this video that are very worrysome.

I generally agree that the 90% tax is likely illegal, in that it's a very specialized tax applied to only a few individuals.  It would have been legal to say that no company getting TARP funds can give bonuses, say, over $20K, but once they're given, you can't legally (to my knowledge) tax them at such a rate, because income tax depends on total income, and no portion of any OTHER person's income is taxes thusly. 

That said, I've heard that some are giving the money back.  I think it would be best to strongly encourage them to simply donate it to a worthwhile (non partisan, not hot button issue) charity. 

I don't doubt this video is bullshit BUT I would like to point out how people buy anti Bush or Republican videos hook line and sinker, but when the shoe is on the other foot, it is all hogwash


just saying

Excuse me but I pointed out in my 1st post that the "Bush is in a Satanic Cult" videos are hogwash as well.  They are all the same BS, repackaged to fit the day.

Bandita, we've all said that, yet D seems to think we all lap that shit up...despite the fact we've said we don't. 
D, what anti-Bush/anti-Republican videos are we all watching that we're not aware of?     Damn, Bush didn't need all that shit to make him look bad. 

I'm not only talking about people on the forum, just in general.  I remember when Micheal Moore stuff came out, I saw Bush being accused of being behind the 9-11 attacks to all kinds of other shit. Bush was incompetent, I give you that, but every single thing was micro analyzed.

even with Obama, I see not one person mentioning anything about his special olympic remark. Sure it was a joke, but what if Bush had said something dumb like that?  There would be a 20 page thread on it right now.

My South Park sense of humor doesn't allow me to freak out when someone says "retard" or anything of the like, and if Bush had done so, my first thought would have been to wonder who the hell HE is to call ANYONE a retard. 

[polluxlm]

There's an enormous difference between saying that the banking industry (or corporate America in general) has too much influence in Washington, on one hand, and saying that it's a conspiracy to enslave the world.

And you still didn't explain the motive anywhere near my satisfaction (though that question wasn't addressed to you, in the first place...but I'm still happy to discuss).  Think...if the world is enslaved and all the money is concentrated at the top...why do you need money?  You've already got the world enslaved...do you really need another billion so you can buy more from your enslaved population?  It's nonsense.  You must control everything because...why?  What is it that a multi billionaire cannot afford that would be affordable if this conspiracy were true and were carried out fully?  How can money be the motive of someone with more money than anyone else? 

By the same logic every millionaire or billionaire should just quit doing business and retreat to the Caymans once they got more than they need. I'm interested to know what you consider the cap here.

They need money because money is control, and they want control because that's what every powerful man has wanted since humanity crawled out of the slime. It makes perfect sense if you put yourself in the perspective of a multi-billionaire. You already have access to every material luxury on the planet, so what's keeping you from killing yourself out of sheer boredom? The quest for power, power over other individuals.

Your reasoning becomes especially humorous considering these guys are meeting behind closed doors regularly to synchronize their activities for personal gain.

Also, for the record, one of the wingnuts they feature in that piece, Mr. Webster Tarpley, is so nutty that he actually attended PUMA-Con (the convention of the die-hard Hillary supporters who rallied around the cry "Party unity my ass"...to very little success, I might add...source: http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/the_truth_about_puma_conference_08_you_cant_spell_conference_without_c_o_n/ ).  So, in the same piece they discuss how Obama is a continuation of this evil, how Hillary and Bill are both tied in with the CFR, Trilateral, Bildenberg stuff...and yet he was completely in the tank for Hill?  Come on.     

Ad hominem now?

[SLCPUNK]

Pretty weak ^

[polluxlm]

Tell it to your shrink. I'm done with your pathetic, disturbed mind.

[TAP]

Tell it to your shrink. I'm done with your pathetic, disturbed mind.

Hell yeah 

[SLCPUNK]

Tell it to your shrink. I'm done with your pathetic, disturbed mind.

I'm going to get Tap's lawyer to sue you. I'm also not Tap btw.

[TAP]

Tell it to your shrink. I'm done with your pathetic, disturbed mind.

I'm going to get Tap's lawyer to sue you. I'm also not Tap btw.

Me neither, I just play him on the internets.

[freedom78]

There's an enormous difference between saying that the banking industry (or corporate America in general) has too much influence in Washington, on one hand, and saying that it's a conspiracy to enslave the world.

And you still didn't explain the motive anywhere near my satisfaction (though that question wasn't addressed to you, in the first place...but I'm still happy to discuss).  Think...if the world is enslaved and all the money is concentrated at the top...why do you need money?  You've already got the world enslaved...do you really need another billion so you can buy more from your enslaved population?  It's nonsense.  You must control everything because...why?  What is it that a multi billionaire cannot afford that would be affordable if this conspiracy were true and were carried out fully?  How can money be the motive of someone with more money than anyone else? 

By the same logic every millionaire or billionaire should just quit doing business and retreat to the Caymans once they got more than they need. I'm interested to know what you consider the cap here.

They need money because money is control, and they want control because that's what every powerful man has wanted since humanity crawled out of the slime. It makes perfect sense if you put yourself in the perspective of a multi-billionaire. You already have access to every material luxury on the planet, so what's keeping you from killing yourself out of sheer boredom? The quest for power, power over other individuals.

First, there's a big difference between a millionaire and a multi billionaire (which the vid lists as essential to getting membership in this club). 

Second, by the admission of the vid, they already control the President and much of Congress, not to mention Europe.  So...how is it that they somehow lack power and control, and thus need to enslave humanity?   

Also, for the record, one of the wingnuts they feature in that piece, Mr. Webster Tarpley, is so nutty that he actually attended PUMA-Con (the convention of the die-hard Hillary supporters who rallied around the cry "Party unity my ass"...to very little success, I might add...source: http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/the_truth_about_puma_conference_08_you_cant_spell_conference_without_c_o_n/ ).  So, in the same piece they discuss how Obama is a continuation of this evil, how Hillary and Bill are both tied in with the CFR, Trilateral, Bildenberg stuff...and yet he was completely in the tank for Hill?  Come on.     

Ad hominem now?

Sometimes ad hominem is valid, when it's about the credibility of the source.  Tell me...if his criticism is valid, and the criticism against Hillary (and Bill) Clinton is also valid, then why was he attending a convention of die hard Hillary supporters, dedicated to subverting the Democratic Party and derailing Obama's nomination or, if not possible, defeating him.  Only Tarpley, of all the people in that vid, says that Obama would be worse than Hillary or McCain.  But the vid itself ties Hillary and Bill Clinton to the same conspiracy. 

So explain it...he's against Obama and wants to decloak this conspiracy...but he's FOR Hillary despite the fact that she's also a part of it?  It doesn't add up.

Your reasoning becomes especially humorous considering these guys are meeting behind closed doors regularly to synchronize their activities for personal gain.

Ad Hominem now?

[Smoking Guns]

Freedom, all I know is when there is this much smoke, there may be a little fire.  Obviously these guys don't know it all or they would have more answers as to what actually happens at these mysterious meetings, either way, I can't ignore everything in this video just because its made from some "whacko".  There are a lot of evil people on this planet and most of these super wealthy got their money from the sweat off someone else's back.  Why do you think a major 3rd party has never been able to succeed?  Why hasn't the number of reps in the house increased as our population has?  Why don't we worry about the illegal immigrants (cause we love the cheap labor force).... 

There is just too much smoke here regardless if you beleive the video.

[freedom78]

Freedom, all I know is when there is this much smoke, there may be a little fire.  Obviously these guys don't know it all or they would have more answers as to what actually happens at these mysterious meetings, either way, I can't ignore everything in this video just because its made from some "whacko".  There are a lot of evil people on this planet and most of these super wealthy got their money from the sweat off someone else's back.  Why do you think a major 3rd party has never been able to succeed?  Why hasn't the number of reps in the house increased as our population has?  Why don't we worry about the illegal immigrants (cause we love the cheap labor force).... 

There is just too much smoke here regardless if you beleive the video.

First, let me say that I agree with many of the basic criticisms laid out in the film...I just don't think it's part of a massive conspiracy to enslave humanity (unless you were to call the basic semi-forced need to work for a company in order to survive "slavery"...which some might). 

As for third parties, the reason they're unable to succeed is quite simple.  The two party system puts up exorbitant roadblocks to their success.  First, they have to overcome obstacles far greater than Democrats or Republicans in order to gain ballot access.  Second, unlike Dems and Reps who get public financing for their campaigns, third parties can only get such financing AFTER the fact...they have to gain 5% (usually) to gain funding...meaning they have to win before they get the money that the other parties get to fund said "winning".  Third, we have what we call Duverger's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law), which states that the number of effective (competitive) parties in an election is likely to be the number of contested seats + 1.  Since each district has one seat, the natural trend is for people to gravitate toward two parties.  Thus, while the specific parties that are competitive is not specified, the number is very much a natural conclusion of the very system set up in our Constitution, wherein each district has a race for one seat.  This is the reason why countries that have proportional representation (Israel, Germany, etc.) have "third" parties that do MUCH better than third parties do in the US...when your vote for a third party isn't a "wasted" vote, you  are MUCH more likely to vote your conscience than to make internal concessions, as everyone who calls him/herself "independent" (i.e. 30-40% of the population) does in this country.  Does it really surprise you that politicians want to insulate their power and that, despite their (relatively minor) differences, Republicans and Democrats are willing to work together to ensure that, if there's to be a two party system, that THEY are one of those two parties?  The Federal Election Commission, which monitors campaign finances, is designed to have six members...three GOP and three Dem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Election_Commission).  Is it really a shock that they protect such a system that put them in place?

I see greed in the world.  I see power hunger.  It's obvious.  It's clear.  And it's wrong.  But there's a leap to be made between ordinary, capitalist, politician variety greed and power hunger, on the one hand, and a massive conspiracy theory on the other.  BIG leap.     

[SLCPUNK]

Yes we have an entire generation with negative savings that is essentially indebted to large financial corporations. But with the exception of this economic crisis, most people in this country enslave themselves. Nobody holds a gun to your head and tells you to live a lifestyle you can't afford. Nobody forces you to spend money you do not have. It's that simple.

[dont_damn_me]

Yes we have an entire generation with negative savings that is essentially indebted to large financial corporations. But with the exception of this economic crisis, most people in this country enslave themselves. Nobody holds a gun to your head and tells you to live a lifestyle you can't afford. Nobody forces you to spend money you do not have. It's that simple.

Thing is, one needs the basics...shelter, food,etc....the monetary system essentially puts a gun to your own head, if you choose to not be a slave and not work, then your on the street with nothing, which is the same has firing the gun.  So I don't think people choose to enslave themselves but rather do out of the need for survival. 

[SLCPUNK]

This the world you are born into. However at the most fundamental human level, we do not necessarily have to participate in it.  You can always revert to hunting and gathering, nobody is stopping you. You'd still be alive and you would still have the days to spend as you'd like (While you aren't hunting.) In fact there was a study done maybe thirty years ago that these nomadic types were just as happy, if not more so, than those who got up and went to work everyday.

Is a TV, car, or internet a fundamental human necessity? That depends. If you believe that it is, then it's time to lace up.

Omitting the working class poor from my argument, I'm  referring to middle income individuals/families on up the ladder. It is quite possible to drive the same car for ten years (Mine for 7.2 and the wife's for 8.0), and pay off a modest home in the same amount of time. How difficult a concept is this to imagine? You are going to have to work one way or the other. You only need to work smart-which most people don't. I'd argue that if you chose to be a hunter-gatherer you'd work rather hard as well. In this case you could not come home to post about it on the interwebtubes though.

Now, I will restate that most people create their own problems, especially in regards to finance. Billions spent on flashy marketing from the time we are born tell us what we need to make us happy, and as a society we readily hand over our hard earned cashola in order to obtain these widgets. If we don't have the money yet, we borrow (sometimes at astronomical rates) to buy that product we so desperately need. Foolish and stupid. (Again, I'm leaving out the working class poor, those hit with medical conditions and so on.)

You can play and win, nobody is holding you down, and there is no conspiracy to control you. There is only mass marketing and the manipulation of the human mind to redefine happiness. That's it.

My friend makes double what I do, but he's heading into bankruptcy court later this year. He owns NOTHING and owes everybody. My other friend spent his way into oblivion and will NEVER retire (he is 56 now I think.) Nobody forced them to do this, they made their own choices. The second should have both houses paid for by now, and one should be providing a steady stream of income. He actually started right, but got lured away. It's all very sad really. They are both financial slaves and HAVE to work nearly everyday, or they are finished.

The monetary system is no more against you then the elements were against those who preceded us as they looked for ways to feed themselves everyday.

[Jim]

There is only mass marketing and the manipulation of the human mind to redefine happiness. That's it.

Only?