Robin vs. Slash, which one do you prefer?

[ppbebe]

the mentality is always "Anybody who doesn't agree with me or share my opinions shouldn't speak at all, because my opinion is the only one that's right, and anyone who DARES say anything negative about me is always wrong."

good self-analysis.

[AtariLegend]

I appreciate Robins work alot on "Chinese Democracy", but I have to go Slash just because of "Estranged"/"Coma"/"Sweet Child O' Mine".

I do though like Robins work better on a few old "Gn'R" live tracks such as "Mr. Brownstone".

[Bridge]

go troll some other site.

For the 10000th time, no.

    I have no use in debating with people who arent' actually fans.

Ha!  You'd never engage in a debate with a "fan" anyway,  because your definition of a "fan" is someone who worships Axl Rose and believes he (and his band) can do no wrong, and hates Slash and believes he can do no right.

I have to go Slash just because of "Estranged"/"Coma"/"Sweet Child O' Mine".

This is what I'm talking about.  Even if Slash never picks up a guitar again, those songs put him head and shoulders above Finck.

[AtariLegend]

I'd just like to clarify that I like Finck too, "This I Love" and "Better" are as good or better than 90%+ of old "Gn'R" material to me.

I like both their contributions while in "Gn'R"....

[Jim Bob]

Ha!  You'd never engage in a debate with a "fan" anyway,  because your definition of a "fan" is someone who worships Axl Rose and believes he (and his band) can do no wrong, and hates Slash and believes he can do no right.

My definition of a Guns N' Roses fan is someone who likes and respects the band, and even supports them.   Not people who just pine over people who haven't been in the band for over a decade.   Those people are merely haters and trolls.  You are one of them, who apparently still hasn't gotten the hint.   Theres nothing more to be said.

you add nothing positive to discussion about the current band.   Like I said, theres nothing more to say to you so just fuck off.

I'd just like to clarify that I like Finck too, "This I Love" and "Better" are as good or better than 90%+ of old "Gn'R" material to me.

I like both their contributions while in "Gn'R"....

[Rage in the Cage]

It seems like its unacceptable on this board to be a fan of both new Guns N' Roses and Slash. Anyone who likes Slash can't have an opinion right? I happen to like both and in this case I prefer Slash over Robin. According to your definition I can't be a fan then. Who are you to tell people if they're a fan of GNR or not?

[jarmo]

Who are you to tell people if they're a fan of GNR or not?

It's down to personal opinion and your definition of what a fan is.

Why do people get so offended about it?

"You have no right to tell me I'm not a fan!". Yes, I do. It's called an opinion.



People jump on my back for that all the fucking time. Just because I don't consider real fans the kind of people who spit on the artist/band they're supposed to be fans of.





/jarmo

[Rage in the Cage]

Who are you to tell people if they're a fan of GNR or not?

It's down to personal opinion and your definition of what a fan is.

Why do people get so offended about it?

"You have no right to tell me I'm not a fan!". Yes, I do. It's called an opinion.



People jump on my back for that all the fucking time. Just because I don't consider real fans the kind of people who spit on the artist/band they're supposed to be fans of.





/jarmo

If understand if someone puts down the band or members in the band, and your opinion becomes "well that person's not a fan." But ive seen members called trolls and "not fans" several times just because they prefered Old Guns to New Guns or god forbid they said anything remotely critical of Axl. We're all human and just as we all have, he's made mistakes in his life too.

You can be a fan and still have an unbiased opinion.

[Dayle1066]

I wanna make it clear that I am a huge Slash fan, but heres an interesting point. If Slash changed his image, style, started playing anything other than loud rock guitar tomorrow. Do you think a majority of fans would actually pay him any attention? Is it he is resigned to never change, or he just doesnt want to, or both?

[Jim Bob]

If understand if someone puts down the band or members in the band, and your opinion becomes "well that person's not a fan." But ive seen members called trolls and "not fans" several times just because they prefered Old Guns to New Guns or god forbid they said anything remotely critical of Axl. We're all human and just as we all have, he's made mistakes in his life too.

You can be a fan and still have an unbiased opinion.

It is possible to be fans of both.  you have intelligent posts like this where he prefers the other but isn't being insulting about it

I appreciate Robins work alot on "Chinese Democracy", but I have to go Slash just because of "Estranged"/"Coma"/"Sweet Child O' Mine".

I do though like Robins work better on a few old "Gn'R" live tracks such as "Mr. Brownstone".

But then you get garbage like this:

Fact is, you can like who you want overall, but nobody has a leg to stand on when preferring Robin to Slash in GNR.

LOL at people comparing a dude with one songwriting credit to an Icon and Legend.


Dumbest thread ever

people can like whatever they like.   but when you have a poster like bridge who i've never ever ever seen make a positive post about the current GnR lineup only coming here to pine for Slash, yea I'm going to question whether or not that person is a genuine fan these days.

[jarmo]

You can be a fan and still have an unbiased opinion.

Not in my opinion.

If you're a fan of something you really like it.

For example, some people will look forward to hearing the artist's new album because they're fans and expect to like it because they're fans of the previous stuff. They have an optimistic outlook on things.


Then you got those who are fans of the artist's old material, but feel let down by a change in personnel, the style of the music etc etc. These people "hold a grudge" and I wouldn't call them unbiased either. These people have a negative outlook because "things aren't what they used to be".


I don't get the whole obsession with the idea that as a fan you always have to be "unbiased".

I guess it's because you don't want to be labeled a "fan boy". That must be so horrible.

On the other hand, when an "unbiased" person gets called out as a whiny sad fuck, he/she isn't happy about that either.


 
/jarmo

[Dayle1066]

Jarmo, who is your favourite regardless of anything else other than guitar playing?

[Rage in the Cage]

You can be a fan and still have an unbiased opinion.

Not in my opinion.

If you're a fan of something you really like it.

For example, some people will look forward to hearing the artist's new album because they're fans and expect to like it because they're fans of the previous stuff. They have an optimistic outlook on things.


Then you got those who are fans of the artist's old material, but feel let down by a change in personnel, the style of the music etc etc. These people "hold a grudge" and I wouldn't call them unbiased either. These people have a negative outlook because "things aren't what they used to be".


I don't get the whole obsession with the idea that as a fan you always have to be "unbiased".

I guess it's because you don't want to be labeled a "fan boy". That must be so horrible.

On the other hand, when an "unbiased" person gets called out as a whiny sad fuck, he/she isn't happy about that either.


 
/jarmo

Obviously as a fan you're gonna have a biased opinion some of the time. I've caught slack for telling my friends how fucking great GNR is and I accept that. But it seems as if you're using smallest details as ammo against someone's loyalty to the band.

I love old GNR and I love new GNR. But there are some things I prefer about old GNR and vice versa. I don't expect the old GNR to get back together because frankly, the odds of the apocalypse coming tomorrow are probably better than a GNR reunion. And as much appreciation as I have for the new lineup, by your standards, I cannot be a fan because of my preferance of certain things about Old GNR.

[ppbebe]

I'm super unbiased. 

I prefer robin and cd band, hands down.

[carmiedisco12]

Around 93 I was feeling a little tired of GNR's sound and felt they had not moved forward and become quite a cabaret act.

Around 98 I heard that Finck was joining the band, and being a HUGE fan of NIN back then imagined Axl singing over the Hurt album and got goosebumps. Later Richard Fortus joined the band and again I was overjoyed hoping he would bring the cool Izzy element and song writing chops.

Now I unfortunately have yet to hear Fortus/Axl collaborations (song writing wise) but I hold very high hopes.

Finck well.

Im not really sure how anyone can logically debate him being a better guitarist than Slash on any level?

Civil War, SCOM, WTJ, COMA, Locomtoive, etc etc etc....and whilst the post GNR stuff overall has been subpar, if you actually listen to a lot of the earlier riffs and get rid of the bands he was in much of it would be AWESOME with Axl.

So far we've heard better from Finck, after what 10 yrs or more of collaboration??? I like better a lot, but Jesus, the term 'thousand monkeys at a thousand typewriters' come to mind. Plus the tuneless butchering of TIL made me glad he left......terrible stuff......where was Fortus when we needed him?

[LunsJail]

So far we've heard better from Finck, after what 10 yrs or more of collaboration??? I like better a lot, but Jesus, the term 'thousand monkeys at a thousand typewriters' come to mind. Plus the tuneless butchering of TIL made me glad he left......terrible stuff......where was Fortus when we needed him?

Wow, never thought of it like that 

[Voodoochild]

Around 93 I was feeling a little tired of GNR's sound and felt they had not moved forward and become quite a cabaret act.

Around 98 I heard that Finck was joining the band, and being a HUGE fan of NIN back then imagined Axl singing over the Hurt album and got goosebumps. Later Richard Fortus joined the band and again I was overjoyed hoping he would bring the cool Izzy element and song writing chops.

Now I unfortunately have yet to hear Fortus/Axl collaborations (song writing wise) but I hold very high hopes.

Finck well.

Im not really sure how anyone can logically debate him being a better guitarist than Slash on any level?

Civil War, SCOM, WTJ, COMA, Locomtoive, etc etc etc....and whilst the post GNR stuff overall has been subpar, if you actually listen to a lot of the earlier riffs and get rid of the bands he was in much of it would be AWESOME with Axl.

So far we've heard better from Finck, after what 10 yrs or more of collaboration??? I like better a lot, but Jesus, the term 'thousand monkeys at a thousand typewriters' come to mind. Plus the tuneless butchering of TIL made me glad he left......terrible stuff......where was Fortus when we needed him?

Again, the non-sense about songwriting. Are you claiming SOD, IRS, TWAT and any other solo Robin did wasn't his own work?

Also, TIL solo is one of the best solos in the whole album IMO and for many others. Don't state your opinion as fact.

[Jim Bob]

Again, the non-sense about songwriting. Are you claiming SOD, IRS, TWAT and any other solo Robin did wasn't his own work?

Also, TIL solo is one of the best solos in the whole album IMO and for many others. Don't state your opinion as fact.

Exactly.  Otherwise lets just give 100% credit for November Rain to Axl Rose. 

[LunsJail]

Again, the non-sense about songwriting. Are you claiming SOD, IRS, TWAT and any other solo Robin did wasn't his own work?

Also, TIL solo is one of the best solos in the whole album IMO and for many others. Don't state your opinion as fact.

Exactly.  Otherwise lets just give 100% credit for November Rain to Axl Rose. 

Good point, you could say the same thing about Estranged too.  Guitar solos have always been a big part of GNR but don't always translate into songwriting credits. CITR would be another example. It was completely written (and I'd heard it) for quite some time but Bumble's solo is really what set it off for me.

[carmiedisco12]

Again, the non-sense about songwriting. Are you claiming SOD, IRS, TWAT and any other solo Robin did wasn't his own work?

Also, TIL solo is one of the best solos in the whole album IMO and for many others. Don't state your opinion as fact.
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Well I wasnt aware that Robin had writing credits on those?? So you liked his solo's?? Doesnt really compare to actually writing the music though does it.
It can be argued who would add the better solo's Slash or Finck...but what can't be argued is who contributed the better SONGS to GNR.