Norwegian arsonist and murderer released from state-prison

[Sin Cut]

Also, I remember when he was convcited in the early nineties.  The fact that he was given such a 'harsh punishment' (which is seriously making me laugh - the guy should have got life) may of been related to the fact that the murder was cold blooded, Varg did not show any remorse and that he laughed when given the verdict.  Also let's not forget that the guy was GUILTY - you talk like he has been unfairly treated.  He killed a guy.  The fact he has served only 16 years (and made an escape) makes your argument that he was harshly treated is laughable, I mean seriously laughable.  I am honestly not sure as to whether you are arguing with people because your enjoying the attention or you truely believe what your saying.

It appears that you have used this news just to air your (racist) views and have a rant.  Well, you have been given that chance now, so I hope your happy. 

There is no life sentence in Norway; F?xed-term sentence, the maximum is 21 years.

[fieldsy]

[/quote] There is no life sentence in Norway; F?xed-term sentence, the maximum is 21 years. [/quote]

That is exactly my point.  The argument that the sentence is harsh is laughable.  The only thing wrong with the system in Norway is that they have not got a life sentence.

[norway]

How is this the same language as Swedish (which is spoken in the country where I live now)?

You see it in nations, I see it in germania ( I know, it's so tainted now) and samii land.

Infact, I agree with most the samii's.

Erm maybe he got the harshest punishment because he went to the house with the intent to kill?

 


Maybe, probably, if...

They guy he killed was going to torture him and videotape it, he had poisioned some polish guy from before.

Wonder where all the axe and sword-nonsense came from,
-hmm... probably from the same people that made up the nazi, satanist nonsense?

And maybe you should know about sentencing before you post?

Also, with the church burning, it appears that your saying that burning the churches should be allowed or at least it is something you agree with. 

Yes, but it should be done legally.

I am not holding it inside do, if I didn't say it I would still feel it, why should I?

A lot of the independent establishments, that has been forced out by multi-national companies, ment a lot more to probably most people than those churches that were burned. They are actually buildt up again too.

I support it 100%

Should people go to jail for vandalizing public buildings? Yes! Duh...

Varg did not show any remorse and that he laughed when given the verdict.

Maybe he laughed at the ridiculous verdict?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqMZrMx6mkM "Oh no, it's because he's a cruelnazisatanistcoldbloodermurderer, he should been GASSED!"

Can't belive someone actually thinks this, am glad I'm living in Norway, ironicly

Also let's not forget that the guy was GUILTY - you talk like he has been unfairly treated.  He killed a guy.

How the hell do you know he was guilty in the actuall verdict?

I can make up things too, add some propaganda to it and make people hate someone to get away with mistreatment.

Have you even bothered to read what I post in your anti-semi...er, anti-varg world?

Do you know anything at all about his views, the circumstances of the murder, wether he burnt those churches or not?

He was made an example off with a punishment like that-
-and you can only use simliar cases and verdicts (in Norway) of such to compare with wether or not if he is treated unfair.

Thats what I pointed from post #1

The fact he has served only 16 years (and made an escape) makes your argument that he was harshly treated is laughable, I mean seriously laughable.

16 years is way above the norm for this crime, even if all of the media-stories is true.

If you wanna complain about the norwegian system, go ahead-
-but don't try to act smart.

It appears that you have used this news just to air your (racist) views and have a rant.

Yeah right...

Does it feel good to flock-harass people (Varg) like this because of their views? Giving them special-treatment?

Ein, swei, drei...

I don't care what fictional ideas you have, racist has become just a mere curseword usually used on white people.



 

Should I on that prefice come over to Norway and burn your house down?  I mean, I dont believe in your views, what your saying so that would give me a right to it....right?

Depends on moral, did I deserve it? And feel free to eloborate on my views, maybe I don't recognise them?

And you will be jailed allright, but lets say you get a harsher punishment than average for such crimes because of your views.

Is it fair, is it how it's supposed to be?

Viewing some of  the replies here makes me think about how nazi-german might have been and how it happened.

None of that would have happened without the active and passive support of the people.

People have no knowledge about Varg's views, about the court-system, prison-system and the sentences.
Yet, you have " I have never heard of this creepy loser", "the guy should have got life"...

Like with the jews in the 30's....oh, why am I not suprised?


I ALWAYS said christianity/mass-culture is shallow and breeds shallow thinking.

And yes, the court-system are getting away with this, thanks to...well, am not gonna bother.

So I guess if they insult your beliefs, you should be allowed to do the same and be considered a "political prisoner"?

What an ignorant way to spin it.

Exactly why should Varg be treated diferent by the law?

[Sin Cut]

We have a Juha Valjakkala here in Finland, who was released on parole on February 2nd 2009.

He was convicted of the murder (he was 22 at the time) of a family of three  in a northern Swedish community of ?msele 3rd of july in 1988, he was released from Turku prison 1st of may in 1988.

I don't know what happened to the eleven year old boy that didn't die with the rest of his family.

He served 19 years.

I can't but wonder what the relatives of his victims must feel, and can he really adapt to the society after living his life in prison?

It's not real freedom tho, he can't drink, he must stay within a certain area and they got some gps lock on him.

[fieldsy]

For the record , yopur statement that I know nothing about Varg is untrue.  As I have stated before, I remember this when he got convicted.  Funnily enough I read up about this approx 2 months ago.  So no, I dont see him as some creepy loser - I see him as a murderer.  Someone that committed murder.  My views are that ANYONE who commits murder should be given life.  As easy as that.

Also, I would love for you to elaborate on how one can burn churches down LEGALLY. ]

The circumstances of the murder is largely irrelevant.  Though I would like to point out that the victim (yes he was a victim) recieved 23 stab wounds.  No, correct none of us was present at the trial but if this was self defence then surely 23 stab wounds is somewhat excessive unless the guy was the Terminator? 

[jarmo]

You see it in nations, I see it in germania ( I know, it's so tainted now) and samii land.

Ok. But are you aware that Finland isn't part of Germania?

So, I come from an area (notice how I didn't say nation/country) that is not part of Germania. The place I live in now is part of what was considered Germania.

That makes me an immigrant from another place.

So, you think it's a problem that I've invaded your holy Germania?


Also, Germania did not start in Norway. Those people immigrated up there from somewhere else.

They belonged somewhere else!


So answer this: Why was it ok for them to immigrate to Norway from wherever they came from and today you're saying immigration is a problem?

So unless you're Sami, chances are your ancestors were immigrants. The kind of people who you're against. Maybe they were even Christians!


Isn't this very similar to what those guys in Germany were trying to do?

So your beliefs are what the nazis believed in.

Is that a problem for you?



/jarmo

[norway]

Though I would like to point out that the victim (yes he was a victim) recieved 23 stab wounds.

He fell on glass and received several cuts.

And I think the church should be removed from every place from Norway-
-I'm actually against banning symbols, books, buildings etc but sometimes to make a point you got to be the complete oposite.

You can burn a church legally, by having the removal legislated, get it now?

It isn't about what you think, I'm fine with that. It's about what obviously is biased sentencting.


PS/

Jarmo, I don't view any of the northern-european folkgroups as immigrants. Finns are (90%?) european and pagan too.

Neither is the samii's, and I hope we preserve the people and the culture.



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Article:

http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/03/10/nyheter/innenriks/fengsel/5216306/

It's a little about all the paroles he was denied from Kriminalomsorgen and that he some weeks ago recived the news that he has been waiting for, he is not saying when. He will move to Telemark and live with his wife and children on a small farm and says nothing good comes out from sitting in prison.

He should have been released in 2006 but because of a new law he was given two additional years. Retroactive laws are illegal and his mother wen't out against it and claimed Kriminalomsorgen tried intentionally to break down her son. He says he is ready for society, that he has learnt from mistakes and gotten older. That he is looking forward to be with his family, release books, music and be an average familyguy. "My soul was never in prison".

He will release his own biography where more on the murder will be revealed.

Welcome back, to hell with the media

[fieldsy]

Of course his escape didn't add on any years to his term..........or the fact he was found with weopons on his person when he was re captured.

[Bandita]

Erm maybe he got the harshest punishment because he went to the house with the intent to kill?  Also, with the church burning, it appears that your saying that burning the churches should be allowed or at least it is something you agree with.  Should I on that prefice come over to Norway and burn your house down?  I mean, I dont believe in your views, what your saying so that would give me a right to it....right?

I think more than a few of us would join you willingly at this point.  I love how every time someone disputes him, he writes a novel back.  You say stabbed 23 times, he says fell on glass.  You say burning shit down because you don't agree with it is bad, he says it isn't.  You say murder, he says self defense.

[fieldsy]

indeed.  I say tomato.......

Tell you what - Lets call the whole thing off

[ppbebe]

well I for one think the law in norway is not bad...I'm not into death penalty because I'm against murder.


Norway, I understand your love for blondes. would be boring if everywhere in the globe was the same. but stop associating with evil peeps.

[Jdog0830]

well I for one think the law in norway is not bad...I'm not into death penalty because I'm against murder.


Norway, I understand your love for blondes. would be boring if everywhere in the globe was the same. but stop associating with evil peeps.

i think the death penalty should only be used in case of major inhumanity like that guy

[ppbebe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concubine_Qi

"Emperor Hui (Liu Ying) resided Ruyi in the palace and checked for poison in any aliment delivered to him. Ying also brought Ruyi with him wherever he went. In one early morning in the twelfth month of the first year of Emperor Hui, the emperor had to attend a shooting ritual; this time Ruyi was left alone since he could not wake up early. Ying supposed his mother would not plot against his brother as several months had passed without incident. Nevertheless Dowager L? had someone force venom down Ruyi's throat....She then chopped off Qi's hands and feet, blinded her by scooping out her eyes, cut out her tongue and abandoned her to live in a toilet, and insulted her as "the Human Pig" (人彘). Several days after, Empress Dowager L? recalled Emperor Hui to have a look of "the Human Pig". After he realised who "the Human Pig" was, the weak emperor was so sick of L?'s cruelty that he virtually relinquished his authority, withdrew himself to carnal pleasures. (Paraphrased quotation from the Records of the Grand Historian, chapter 9)"

 

[norway]

So your beliefs are what the nazis believed in.

Is that a problem for you?

No, but narrowminded people is


Nazism is a nationalistic and socialistic flock-ideology symbolising cruelty close to the level of christianity.

EVERYONE has beliefs nazi's believed in-
-remember only that group was allowed in Germany, they f.x wanted laws to protect animals.

It isn't a problem to belive in it, or listening to mr.brownstone either (for those who remember the murderer).

It's the same with having a nordic faith, you call it viking-faith-
-but the phallic gods, the horses that drives the sun and the moon is there already in the bronze-age.

It's just that we have so much source-material from this era.

[Jdog0830]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concubine_Qi

"Emperor Hui (Liu Ying) resided Ruyi in the palace and checked for poison in any aliment delivered to him. Ying also brought Ruyi with him wherever he went. In one early morning in the twelfth month of the first year of Emperor Hui, the emperor had to attend a shooting ritual; this time Ruyi was left alone since he could not wake up early. Ying supposed his mother would not plot against his brother as several months had passed without incident. Nevertheless Dowager L? had someone force venom down Ruyi's throat....She then chopped off Qi's hands and feet, blinded her by scooping out her eyes, cut out her tongue and abandoned her to live in a toilet, and insulted her as "the Human Pig" (人彘). Several days after, Empress Dowager L? recalled Emperor Hui to have a look of "the Human Pig". After he realised who "the Human Pig" was, the weak emperor was so sick of L?'s cruelty that he virtually relinquished his authority, withdrew himself to carnal pleasures. (Paraphrased quotation from the Records of the Grand Historian, chapter 9)"

 

thats fuckin crazy it reminds me of a certain Warrior of the 3 kingdoms era in China he valued Strength above all and in the end drove his own soldgers into muteny and was killed

[Bandita]

Now there may be some serious issues with the American judicial system but I think having one where the penalties are so light are the cause of turning these freaks, sociopaths and killers into so called "folk heroes" to those so easily impressionable like Norway.

No matter how you cut it and how many dozens of paragraphs you write, you are worshipping a good for nothing dirtbag killer that is nothing but a drain on society.

[norway]

Talk about commenting on something you know nothing about.

No matter how you cut it and how many dozens of paragraphs you write, you are worshipping a good for nothing dirtbag killer that is nothing but a drain on society.

No matter how many hateful one-liners you type;

I'm not worshipping anyone, especially not any dirtbag killer or any drain on society.

You really need to get off your fantasy.

[Bandita]

Really, cause we have 6 pages here of you saying how awesome this guy is, how he is gonna release a memoir and clear everything up, etc etc. 

Now you want to backtrack because everyone thinks you're a fool?

If you need to write as much as you did to try to prove a point, chances are your point is well....POINTLESS.

[jarmo]

I'm not worshipping anyone, especially not any dirtbag killer or any drain on society.

You referred to him as a "folk-hero".

And you've been defending him and his acts for pages now.

While displaying opinions that have never led to anything good.




/jarmo

[*Timothy*]

I don't know about all that.


But I always end my business relationships with a proper battle ax to the skull then burn some buildings down that I don't like.