Norwegian arsonist and murderer released from state-prison

[cjmax02]

While many newly arrived citizens in Norway walks from group-rapes, racist murders, knife-violence and homocide or people driving over women with child-wagons 3-4 times because of honor, gets 2-3 years in prisons averagely, Varg was sentenced 21 years (which is the harshest punishment you can get) for his political views which contrasted with the christian views of Norways state and court-system.

was that the real point of injustice you were showing us?  cuz I'mma seein' it, and I dun like.

Don't get me wrong, I think Varg is a scumbag.    Ahhhh, but fuck you, you hypocritical judges who decide how long a man should rot for!  There is no justice!

[Bandita]

In October 2003, Vikernes failed to return to his low-security prison in T?nsberg, Norway after having been granted a short leave. He was found riding in a stolen Volvo car, which, according to the media, contained an unloaded AG3 automatic rifle, a handgun, numerous large knives, a gas mask, camouflage clothing, a laptop, a compass, a Global Positioning System, various maps and a fake passport (it is thought that Vikernes came to be in possession of this equipment by means of a military barracks). For this thirteen months were added to his sentence, and he was then moved to a maximum-security prison in Trondheim. He has since been moved again, this time to Troms? Prison.

Oh yes, nothing wrong with this guy at all, he sounds totally rehabilitated to me.

[cjmax02]

He has since been moved again, this time to Troms? Prison.

Norway, you haven't actually been visiting this guy....have you? 

[loretian]

I understand what you're saying.

You get the people on your side to cause a revolution (socialism) and then make yourself the sole leader (fascism)....

But when you say fascism, you don't really think of the Soviet Union or Eastern Europe during the cold war. More like Hitler....

I wouldn't call Hitler a socialist..... Even though it's labeled national socialism. Which is a form of fascism....

Yeah, I agree.  I mean, it depends on what you mean by socialism too.  If we're talking about socialism, as in, what exists through much of western Europe, then yeah.

But, I actually do think of fascism when I hear Soviet Union, or Eastern Europe, or Latin America.  There were so many so-called socialist revolutions built on the abolition of economic and religious freedom (and done in the name of atheism) that are completely forgotten about, but did involve brutal and murderous dictators.  In terms of numbers of deaths, there is no political viewpoint greater than socialism, or religious (or non-religious, in this case) viewpoint greater than atheism for which more people will murdered in the name of (in the 20th century).

[TAP]

I'd like to see Varg posting in the relationship advice thread.

[Bandita]

I'd like to see Varg posting in the relationship advice thread.

Honestly, I can't imagine it would be any worse advice than some around here give.

[PJ]

I understand what you're saying.

You get the people on your side to cause a revolution (socialism) and then make yourself the sole leader (fascism)....

But when you say fascism, you don't really think of the Soviet Union or Eastern Europe during the cold war. More like Hitler....

I wouldn't call Hitler a socialist..... Even though it's labeled national socialism. Which is a form of fascism....

Yeah, I agree.  I mean, it depends on what you mean by socialism too.  If we're talking about socialism, as in, what exists through much of western Europe, then yeah.

But, I actually do think of fascism when I hear Soviet Union, or Eastern Europe, or Latin America.  There were so many so-called socialist revolutions built on the abolition of economic and religious freedom (and done in the name of atheism) that are completely forgotten about, but did involve brutal and murderous dictators.  In terms of numbers of deaths, there is no political viewpoint greater than socialism, or religious (or non-religious, in this case) viewpoint greater than atheism for which more people will murdered in the name of (in the 20th century).

and this is one of the most ignorants posts i have ever seen

[norway]

Was he a Christian?

No, (sadly ), he was the singer in Mayhem.

The murder gets too much attention and had nothing to do with the war afaik.

Sounds like something similar that you keep repeating over and over.

Not sure about Finland,-
- but this was teached in school so most have a somewhat relaxed relationship to our religion.

Racism is more about direct discrimination solely due to race, not preferences.

The fight against christianity hasn't always been pretty, but Varg got made an example off.

He stood true through all the years and am glad he is back.

[jarmo]

Was he a Christian?

No, (sadly ), he was the singer in Mayhem.

The murder gets too much attention and had nothing to do with the war afaik.

Ok, so he didn't kill a Christian. You know, those "evil" people that you hate so much....

Basically he killed one of his own then with the excuse that the other guy was gonna kill him?

Too much attention?

Maybe if this guy hadn't burned down a church, it would get less attention?

Not sure about Finland,-
- but this was teached in school so most have a somewhat relaxed relationship to our religion.

I'm not sure about Finland either because I went to school in Sweden.

We were taught about all major religions at school. No big deal.

Racism is more about direct discrimination solely due to race, not preferences.

Thanks for the lesson.


Fight against Christianity? What is this? The Middle Ages?

It's not like there are crusades going on in Norway today are there?

Are they forcing you to be a good Christian and go to church?

I bet you can live quite happily in your own little bubble without being a Christian in Norway.

How does it offend you that some people chose to believe in God and go to church?

I personally don't care how people chose to spend their time as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else.

I'm against extremist behavior though. You know, people who do things in the name of something.



/jarmo

[norway]

Too much attention?

Maybe if this guy hadn't burned down a church, it would get less attention?

Well church-burning is something I support and hope is done more, legally.

We were taught about all major religions at school. No big deal.

Your own and the one of the Samii people too?

You know, those folks up there...

Fight against Christianity? What is this? The Middle Ages?

The distaste for the church is quite big.

The diference between christians and nazi's is that one succeeded in it's expansion.

The people never stopped their practice tho, against the will of the murderous judeo-christians.

It's absolutely nothing christian about anything in our culture, like they like to claim.

Are they forcing you to be a good Christian and go to church?

You get written up as one from birth, whats wrong with people?

And not everyone wanna be open about it cause then youreanazipigthatwannasterilizepeople...

How does it offend you that some people chose to believe in God and go to church?

Nps, just don't do it at the expense of others.

Like showing their ugly face at the pagan celebrations, distorting them and tell tales of deceit to the public.

Anyway-
-would you have a problem if someone used a swastika as avatar?

I'm disgusted by the view many have of christianity, in an age of great knowledge.

[jarmo]

Well church-burning is something I support and hope is done more, legally.

You can add all the smileys you want, it doesn't hide your true self.

Your own and the one of the Samii people too?

I said major religions.

You know, those folks up there...

Cute.

So just because I don't agree with your church burning fascist ways, I'm an idiot?

It's absolutely nothing christian about anything in our culture, like they like to claim.

You fail to realize without it, there'd be something else.

People had a religion before Christianity came to your country.

Why is that better? To live in fear of some other Gods. Where stuff like human sacrifice was probably considered ok.....

Seems like people have been killed in the name of all kinds of beliefs. Not just Christianity.

You get written up as one from birth, whats wrong with people?

True, but you can leave.

So how does it affect your day to day life? Other than you getting time off from whatever it is that you do for holidays such as Easter or Christmas.

Anyway-
-would you have a problem if someone used a swastika as avatar?

What do you think?

Oh, and I'm aware where it comes from. But I'm also aware what most people associate it with.

So you might not wanna play the smart ass game with me regarding the meaning of the symbol.




/jarmo

[norway]

You can add all the smileys you want, it doesn't hide your true self.

Wouldn't first time in history things like that has been done with support in the people.

So just because I don't agree with your church burning fascist ways, I'm an idiot?

Not necesarily, the church-burners and "satanists" are becoming an absolute.

Hitlers home was bombed, if the anti-burners don't find that ridiculous aswell they are being selective.

It all depends on where you are coming from.
I actually adore the dragon-artchitecture of the stave-churches and hope more of their story becomes official.

To live in fear of some other Gods. Where stuff like human sacrifice was probably considered ok.....

This is one of the things the church managed to do with our belief. The deception.

Religion is (originally) personification of science basicly-
-and several myths, specially with Freyja, attacks the concept of sacrifice.

Most of the public deception and conceptions of this age comes from the judeo-christians.

Like witches sacrificing infants to the devil.
These were eliteist cults of love and fertility that didn't accept deficient children.

Like most sane women do today with abortion anyway.

Other than you getting time off from whatever it is that you do for holidays such as Easter or Christmas.

None of these celebrations got anything to do with christianity.

The beer is an initiaton-rituale, the gifts are from Nanna, oranges and eggs symbolise the sun and the box of Idun etc...

Anyone here aware of it? Thought not...

So you might not wanna play the smart ass game with me regarding the meaning of the symbol.

It wasn't the point.

[Sin Cut]

Oh gawd his music sucks. Burzum? Isa that a made of word, make me think of

...parsley ... for some odd reason?

Varg said to the press he is ready for society and that nothing good comes out from sitting in prison.
He is looking forward to being with his wife and children, release music and books.

Yeah, that's the right way, let's just let every murdering, history and church desecrating piece of shit out from jail. Now that's a thought.

I mean, he's saying there's something wrong with one night stands! Were vikings that faithfull?

Isn't Varg a Wolf in norwegian by any chance?

Way I see it, he's plagiaring the nazism, giving a few twist and calling it odalism. It's prolly after Odin.

He just doesn't sound that orginal to me.

[norway]

For pagans nature is holy and the only true gods are the ones within man.

I attack some of the reasons of the problems with our disregard for the enviroment and man by the root of it.

Way I see it, he's plagiaring the nazism, giving a few twist and calling it odalism. It's prolly after Odin.

And who where the nazi's plagiaring again?

The principle behind the odal rights in Norway is from ancient Skandinavia, can call it odalism.

In it you got a lot of things,
 but it's also about freedom for the individual unlike popular belief.

Trua at mitt sinn ok megin from old norse.

[jarmo]

Hitlers home was bombed, if the anti-burners don't find that ridiculous aswell they are being selective.

What? To bomb the home of a fascist dictator who was responsible of murdering people based on their religion etc. is ridiculous?

I actually adore the dragon-artchitecture of the stave-churches and hope more of their story becomes official.

I've visited a bunch of churches. Not because I'm a believer, but because of their beauty as buildings.

This is one of the things the church managed to do with our belief. The deception.

Deception?

Were you there?

-and several myths, specially with Freyja, attacks the concept of sacrifice.

Uh huh.

In case you haven't noticed, people do what they want and interpret things the way they want.

There's no guarantee that shit didn't happen in the name of those Gods.

None of these celebrations got anything to do with christianity.

Well they kind of do.

I'm aware that some of the traditions aren't Christian, but how can you deny that Christmas has nothing to do with Christianity just looks like somebody trying to deny facts.

Do you think it would be a holiday if the Christians considered it a pagan holiday?

Easter is also the most important holiday in the Christian year (for Christians).


Now if you had said Midsummer or Walpurgis Night, then you'd have a case.

oranges and eggs symbolise the sun and the box of Idun etc...

They had oranges in Norway back then?

Way I see it, he's plagiaring the nazism, giving a few twist and calling it odalism. It's prolly after Odin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odalism

He started it, and then left it.

It attracts people like nazis! Surprise, surprise....




/jarmo

[norway]

Well they kind of do.

Not they absolutely don't.

Thats just christianity, like a virus, mutating into the host-culture to take over and detoriate, living off our productivity.

Even Jesus is, which certainly don't look like a jew.

The sun stops in vicinity of a constellation called the crux, which was visible in the northern hemisphere in the antique era.
Lays there 3 days and move one degree north.

This happens before 3 stars alligns with Sirius and the sun. THATS what the myths comes from.

And none of this comes from Christianity originally, except the draconian drivel.

Even their most defining symbol is from a pagan cross.

I'm aware that some of the traditions aren't Christian, but how can you deny that Christmas has nothing to do with Christianity just looks like somebody trying to deny facts.

Do you think it would be a holiday if the Christians considered it a pagan holiday?

Christmas is indeed Yule, as we celebrate in Skandinavia. Saint Claus (not his real name) comes with the gifts from Nanna.

Nisse is actually a christian word, like heden, used to mock.

There's more:

The weekdays, the honey (aesir) moon (luna/freyja), the best man (next best, eliteist remember?) halloween...etc.

West, East, North, South comes from the dwarfs at each corner of the world, midgard goes round the world.
Note how our forfathers supposedly thought the earth was flat?

As I said, this is personification of science and knowledge.

The funny thing is the repeated giant erections you see in carvings from very early, even in the ironage.

The sun and fertility is essential, this in partiqular gets tainted by the christians.

Now if you had said Midsummer or Walpurgis Night, then you'd have a case.

They call midsummer ST.Hans in Norway, and Valborgsaften is the devil/witches night!

So you got no case at all with these two hm? You really got me there, I guess I been wrong all along

They had oranges in Norway back then?

Symbol of the sun, the most central symbol in paganism.

Not sure about oranges but they discovered Amerika quite early because of ship-technology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odalism

The site everyone can edit? It's our most ancient law!

http://www.anus.com/zine/articles/alexis/odalism/ A better article.

[jarmo]

Christmas is indeed Yule, as we celebrate in Skandinavia. Saint Claus (not his real name) comes with the gifts from Nanna.

As I said, I'm aware of that. But instead of answering the question, you keep going on and on about how great your little religion is.

So you got no case at all with these two hm? You really got me there, I guess I been wrong all along

No, you said Christmas and Easter has nothing to do with Christianity. I'm saying it has something to do with it. Not saying it's all about it though.

Unlike you who deny it 100%.

How come you didn't even comment on Easter?

Symbol of the sun, the most central symbol in paganism.

You said it was about oranges....

Make up your mind.

The site everyone can edit? It's our most ancient law!

Your ancient law.... What makes it the absolute truth?

A lot of ancient laws don't work today. It's kinda ridiculous to think that Thor's hammer is the reason for thunder today.... Shit like that.



You're as bad as all those other extremists.

Church burning? What the fuck....

http://www.anus.com/zine/articles/alexis/odalism/ A better article.

Anus?

 


Makes so much sense. No wonder your posts are full of shit.

Anybody can upload articles onto the Internet. What makes that one better?




/jarmo

[Naltav]

None of these celebrations got anything to do with christianity.

Well they kind of do.

I'm aware that some of the traditions aren't Christian, but how can you deny that Christmas has nothing to do with Christianity just looks like somebody trying to deny facts.

Do you think it would be a holiday if the Christians considered it a pagan holiday?



/jarmo

I'm not at all agreeing with all the views of my fellow-country-man here....  He seems a bit bit far out on a couple of issues   

But Christmas is not really a christian tradition. The christians stole/hijacked an already, at least up here in the north, well established tradition...

Our ancestors used to celebrate something called Mid-winters-day, the norse word I think was J?labl?t. And Jul as Sweedes, Norwegians and Danish call Christmas comes from the norse word J?l. See? J?l turns into Jul.

The christians have, through the ages, a history of hijacking things, rename it and claim it a new tradition....     

[norway]

How come you didn't even comment on Easter?

You're even using the ancient name for this, East.

That we're using the other unrelated name for it doesn't mean anything.

You said it was about oranges....

No, I didn't

It's kinda ridiculous to think that Thor's hammer is the reason for thunder today....

What makes you so sure they literally believed that?

When everything about the indo-european religion is metaforic.

Religion isn't about the supernatural like the christians like to think, which base their belief on misinterpretations.

http://www.anus.com/zine/articles/alexis/odalism/ A better article.

Anus?

 

Was the only more full article I could find.

And you got to know about the ancient odal concepts (ideology) from as early as ancient skandinavia?

If you don't, blame the christians.

Basicly, if a land had belonged to a kin (?tt) and used by them, it eventually became an odal property.
-not even the king (and the pope in later laws) could take it from them.

In short, the principle in that is odalism.

[jarmo]

But Christmas is not really a christian tradition. The christians stole/hijacked an already, at least up here in the north, well established tradition...

I'm aware of where it comes from and why it's called Jul up here.

All I'm saying is that today's Christmas has something to do with the fact that the Christians made it "their" holiday as well and maybe if they hadn't, we wouldn't get those days off....

Then you got all those countries who celebrate Christmas that don't have the same history as us.

Do you think they would be celebrating Christmas if it wasn't for the Christians adopting the holiday so to speak?



That's all I'm saying.

You're even using the ancient name for this, East.

That we're using the other unrelated name for it doesn't mean anything.

And the fact that we have those days off from work/school has nothing to do with Christianity?

No, I didn't

The beer is an initiaton-rituale, the gifts are from Nanna, oranges and eggs symbolise the sun and the box of Idun etc...

Do they punish liars in your religion?

What makes you so sure they literally believed that?

What did they believe in then?

The weekdays are named after those guys. I'm sure people feared their Gods at the time?

Basicly, if a land had belonged to a kin (?tt) and used by them, it eventually became an odal property.
-not even the king (and the pope in later laws) could take it from them.

In short, the principle in that is odalism.

Is there enough land for all Norwegians in Norway?

I hope you didn't get a piece of a glacier. It might be difficult to grow oranges there....




As I said, you're as bad as any other extremist.

Trying to force your religion on others while defending church burning.


Folk hero my ass.....



/jarmo