Guns n? Roses Planning Summer Stadium Tour

[D]

The attitude of some GNR fans drive me nuts

U don't care how many people are there as long as u are? that is pretty damn selfish dude.

So if 1 thousand people are in a 14k seat arena, u wouldn't care as long as u were there?

so, what u are saying is, u could care less about your favorite band's success?

I thought being a fan was not only loving the band and music, but also caring about how well they do because if u want more GNR albums and tours, u better pray they are successful.

GNR are a mainstream BRAND. if they bomb on tour in the US, they are finished in the US cause no promoter is going to deal with it, especially these days.


For Axl to be king of the world again, he has to rebuild his image. Start from the bottom and work his way back up, BE ON TIME *Gasp* I know that isn't his MO but this isn't 1992 again. people are different these days and most don't want to wait till midnight and not get home till 3am no matter how great u are. These days, people can pass and guess what, parents aren't going to let their kids see GNR on a school night because of this.

I know its rock and roll and its unpredictable and I don't have a big problem with it, but u have to think outside of yourself and try to put yourself into the minds of casual fans etc.

Most people hear the horror GNR stories*right or wrong/true or false* and it scares them off from going because tickets cost money. food and gas cost money, hotels cost money and the fact Axl has the rep of not showing up makes people uneasy, especially these days.


I've told my Aerosmith story a hundred times on here. twice I bought tickets and planned  a trip, twice they canceled at the last minute costing me big money.. now steven fell off the stage canceling another tour. I love Aerosmith, one of my fave bands ever but I would NEVER buy another ticket to see them.

[gilld1]

Preach on, D, preach on.  I agree wholeheartedly.


Sarcasm alert:  If you don't like it, go be a fan of another band!!

Thought I would get that out of the way for you

[jacdaniel]

I know its rock and roll and its unpredictable and I don't have a big problem with it, but u have to think outside of yourself and try to put yourself into the minds of casual fans etc.

It actually has become kinda predictable though 
Definitly agree with what you say.  i hate when people say "Im just happy to have the album" etc etc etc.
There won't be more albums or tours unless they are somewhat successful.

[jarmo]

U don't care how many people are there as long as u are? that is pretty damn selfish dude.

Nobody said that.

The whole point has been all along the so called fans telling us GN'R can't play in so and so venues and keep pointing out how the shows weren't sold out.

They focus on that.

Now it's "they can't sell out stadiums/arenas". What would it be if GN'R played sold out shows in smaller venues? It would be the same shit.

"Hahaha. How pathetic. They're playing theaters!". Don't fool yourselves and think these comedians will stop making that kind of remarks any time soon.

Most people hear the horror GNR stories*right or wrong/true or false* and it scares them off from going because tickets cost money. food and gas cost money, hotels cost money and the fact Axl has the rep of not showing up makes people uneasy, especially these days.

And some of those stories come from "fans" who choose to focus on the negatives.

Instead of "it was the best show I've ever seen", it's easy to say "they didn't go on until after 10PM".


Seriously D, how many times have you seen GN'R? None right?

If you could choose, would you rather have seen a GN'R show that ended later than a Bon Jovi concert or not seen a GN'R show at all?

These are the things people need to think about. If one night out of your life so far, you wouldn't have gotten home before midnight because of a concert running past midnight, I bet it would be an easy sacrifice.

It's easy to whine about shit, but the other option is staying home and not seeing a show at all.



It also seems like the casual fans are not the ones doing the most whining. So it's ironic you bring that up.



I guess GN'R "should" not tour in the USA anytime soon in order to succeed. Tour where they're (more) loved instead.

When they're ready to tour the USA, play a few select shows in places like New York, Chicago and Los Angeles. Maybe some small clubs so not too many can get tickets, but at least it's sold out!

Forget about the band coming to your corner of the country, you have to go see them instead.

That's the best option right?


Since the last US tour was such a "failure" to some of you, this certainly must be the better option.

As I said, don't whine if one day they decide to do as you wished.

Maybe then we can have yet another one of those "GN'R doesn't care about their fans (outside of the big cities)" discussion....

I know its rock and roll and its unpredictable and I don't have a big problem with it, but u have to think outside of yourself and try to put yourself into the minds of casual fans etc.

It actually has become kinda predictable though 
Definitly agree with what you say.  i hate when people say "Im just happy to have the album" etc etc etc.
There won't be more albums or tours unless they are somewhat successful.

What kind of an artists gets successful when the fans work against them?






/jarmo

[Ali]

The attitude of some GNR fans drive me nuts

U don't care how many people are there as long as u are? that is pretty damn selfish dude.

So if 1 thousand people are in a 14k seat arena, u wouldn't care as long as u were there?

so, what u are saying is, u could care less about your favorite band's success?

I thought being a fan was not only loving the band and music, but also caring about how well they do because if u want more GNR albums and tours, u better pray they are successful.

GNR are a mainstream BRAND. if they bomb on tour in the US, they are finished in the US cause no promoter is going to deal with it, especially these days.


For Axl to be king of the world again, he has to rebuild his image. Start from the bottom and work his way back up, BE ON TIME *Gasp* I know that isn't his MO but this isn't 1992 again. people are different these days and most don't want to wait till midnight and not get home till 3am no matter how great u are. These days, people can pass and guess what, parents aren't going to let their kids see GNR on a school night because of this.

I know its rock and roll and its unpredictable and I don't have a big problem with it, but u have to think outside of yourself and try to put yourself into the minds of casual fans etc.

Most people hear the horror GNR stories*right or wrong/true or false* and it scares them off from going because tickets cost money. food and gas cost money, hotels cost money and the fact Axl has the rep of not showing up makes people uneasy, especially these days.


I've told my Aerosmith story a hundred times on here. twice I bought tickets and planned  a trip, twice they canceled at the last minute costing me big money.. now steven fell off the stage canceling another tour. I love Aerosmith, one of my fave bands ever but I would NEVER buy another ticket to see them.

Being a fan has to do with loving the band and music, only, as far as I'm concerned.  There's nothing selfish about it.  If I cared how many people liked the band I was into, I wouldn't still be listening to Queensryche or Dream Theater.  It's about the music, not how popular they are.

As long as the band can continue to put out albums and tour, that's all that matters.  How well they do beyond does not affect the fans one single bit.  

I don't understand why anyone would give a shit if Axl is "king of the world".  As long as you get music you like and you can see them live, I don't see what else matters.  Being "king of the world" vs. being a moderately successful band only affects the people who draw income from the band.  Queensryche is nowhere near as big as they once were, but they still put out records and tour, so I'm happy.  Nothing else affects me at all.

Ali

[axlvai]

Gn'R just need a little... a little publicity and problems of any kind are gone, very simple!

Plz Axl Gimme a signal 

Waiting here in Chile!

[ppbebe]

Being a fan has to do with loving the band and music, only, as far as I'm concerned.  There's nothing selfish about it.  If I cared how many people liked the band I was into, I wouldn't still be listening to Queensryche or Dream Theater.  It's about the music, not how popular they are.

As long as the band can continue to put out albums and tour, that's all that matters.  How well they do beyond does not affect the fans one single bit.  

I don't understand why anyone would give a shit if Axl is "king of the world".  As long as you get music you like and you can see them live, I don't see what else matters.  Being "king of the world" vs. being a moderately successful band only affects the people who draw income from the band.  Queensryche is nowhere near as big as they once were, but they still put out records and tour, so I'm happy.  Nothing else affects me at all.

Ali

totally.
democracy isn't kingship or monarchy.

Selfish are the fans that act as if their fav band were their servants or subordinates. 'do this, do that, sell more and entertain us!"
or spouses in NIN?s case.

[jacdaniel]

But GNR are a mainstream band on a major label.  they do kinda need to be successful or they'll be dropped and won't be given anything like the money they were given for the follow up to CD.

[russtcb]

I feel the need to mention that I speak at least for myself when I say, I'd be happy as a pig in shit with a GN'R show of any size in any size venue.

[D]

I would go see GNR even if it started at 3am.. I have no problems with it, but u know people believe everything they see/read and Axl does have kind of a bad rep. People see the riots etc and that makes the average person nervous.

I don't want Axl to change personally but we are talking just in general what could help as far as US tours etc. For GNR to really be successful in the US and I mean all markets, they will always do well in the major ones, but to be totally back, Axl would have to do some repair to his perceived image.

we know a lot of false stuff gets spread about Axl, but once again, people believe it so perception is reality in this case.

I am aware of the fact Axl does a lot of great things that just go unreported and I love that about him also but maybe be a little more visible in the charity type stuff, let his great wit and personality shine through in more avenues. I reference Eddie Trunk so many times and if Axl had 50 more interviews like that, It would do a 180 for his rep and the negative perceptions. How can u not love the guy after that interview?

I would love to hear Axl, not read it in print, but hear his side of the GNR story in the same tone/manner of the Eddie Trunk interview. Just really explain his side of it because I think people would be willing to believe Axl if he came across the right way. The Billboard thing and all that didn't do that. If he just gave examples etc and did it as I said, like how he was on Eddie Trunk, I think he would sway a ton of people his way

Then the concerts.... I honestly hope to see GNR someday and like I said, I don't care when it starts, but people have changed since the last 80's early 90's

People do have a sense of entitlement these days and I don't think they embrace experiences the same way they use to. It reminds me of the Kurt Cobain line "here we are now, entertain us"  people are impatient these days and don't want to wait for the reward.

there is no other reason GNR shouldn't sell out any place they play. I can see people who are fans but not hardcore fans going.... well, GNR are playing at such and such tonight...... I'd love to go but I hear they don't start till real late if at all and.... I got to work tomorrow at 8am......

I can see that keeping some people away

[younggunner]

All Axl has to do is get himself and his band out there. He can go on whenever he wants. That isnt the problem.

The problem is the public cannot identify with the new lineup. Why? Because there are no videos,performances,interviews etc. There is no buzz.

The stop and go bull shit has plagued this band since 2002. There really is never any sustained momentum. And its ultimately why the best lineup for a comeback disintergrated.  

Timing is everything. The ship for GNR as a band to regain rock dominance sailed a few yrs ago. Now its a matter of Axl and how much sailing he wants to do for himself and his fans...the internet support group

[D]

The attitude of some GNR fans drive me nuts

U don't care how many people are there as long as u are? that is pretty damn selfish dude.

So if 1 thousand people are in a 14k seat arena, u wouldn't care as long as u were there?

so, what u are saying is, u could care less about your favorite band's success?

I thought being a fan was not only loving the band and music, but also caring about how well they do because if u want more GNR albums and tours, u better pray they are successful.

GNR are a mainstream BRAND. if they bomb on tour in the US, they are finished in the US cause no promoter is going to deal with it, especially these days.


For Axl to be king of the world again, he has to rebuild his image. Start from the bottom and work his way back up, BE ON TIME *Gasp* I know that isn't his MO but this isn't 1992 again. people are different these days and most don't want to wait till midnight and not get home till 3am no matter how great u are. These days, people can pass and guess what, parents aren't going to let their kids see GNR on a school night because of this.

I know its rock and roll and its unpredictable and I don't have a big problem with it, but u have to think outside of yourself and try to put yourself into the minds of casual fans etc.

Most people hear the horror GNR stories*right or wrong/true or false* and it scares them off from going because tickets cost money. food and gas cost money, hotels cost money and the fact Axl has the rep of not showing up makes people uneasy, especially these days.


I've told my Aerosmith story a hundred times on here. twice I bought tickets and planned  a trip, twice they canceled at the last minute costing me big money.. now steven fell off the stage canceling another tour. I love Aerosmith, one of my fave bands ever but I would NEVER buy another ticket to see them.

Being a fan has to do with loving the band and music, only, as far as I'm concerned.  There's nothing selfish about it.  If I cared how many people liked the band I was into, I wouldn't still be listening to Queensryche or Dream Theater.  It's about the music, not how popular they are.

As long as the band can continue to put out albums and tour, that's all that matters.  How well they do beyond does not affect the fans one single bit.  

I don't understand why anyone would give a shit if Axl is "king of the world".  As long as you get music you like and you can see them live, I don't see what else matters.  Being "king of the world" vs. being a moderately successful band only affects the people who draw income from the band.  Queensryche is nowhere near as big as they once were, but they still put out records and tour, so I'm happy.  Nothing else affects me at all.

Ali

That is the point I am tryin to get across. If GNR aren't successful, u may not get anymore albums,tours etc U really think Universal are going to give Axl that kind of money again?

So as a fan, u better hope GNR are successful if u want more of a GNR.
I can't see Axl doing the whole indy/internet thing. Just doesn't seem to be his thing.

Promoters also, aren't going to give GNR big money and aren't going to put up with the headaches of the tour if it isn't making them money. selling 5k tickets out of 10k isn't making the promoter any money.

[Classic Case]

I feel the need to mention that I speak at least for myself when I say, I'd be happy as a pig in shit with a GN'R show of any size in any size venue.

I agree with u!

I just wanna see GNR playin again, no matter where and what kind of venue, just wanna see that the band is alive, cuz I have a bad feeling and sometimes I think the band is fallin apart , and see them playin again would be refreshin.

[Ali]

But GNR are a mainstream band on a major label.  they do kinda need to be successful or they'll be dropped and won't be given anything like the money they were given for the follow up to CD.

Right, but if they are successful enough to continue to tour and release records, does it really affect us as fans if they do any better than that?  Do we get anything out of it?  Does it matter to us if they are on a big label or a small label so long as we can get their music and see them live?  I don't think so.

Ali

[ppbebe]

no one would hate to see their fav band being successful and their fav songs loved.

don't worry fellow fans from the us the world loves GNR. Reportedly CD in the first month sold 4 times more abroad than in the us.

[February]

But GNR are a mainstream band on a major label. 

apparently from what we've been told that didn't helped them a lot this last years. NIN and Radiohead have proven a major label it's not a requirement anymore to be a sucessfull band. Altough only in the long run it can be evaluted if it was a good move, i think.

I feel the need to mention that I speak at least for myself when I say, I'd be happy as a pig in shit with a GN'R show of any size in any size venue.

Me too but a lot of fans world wide wouldn't have the opportunity to see them, beasides i believe that smaller venues with the consequent less investment, less possibilities for the technical side of the show (light n sound) woun't make justice to CD or the band, not to mention how some "critics" would have a field day.

[jarmo]

I would go see GNR even if it started at 3am.. I have no problems with it, but u know people believe everything they see/read and Axl does have kind of a bad rep. People see the riots etc and that makes the average person nervous.

That was seven years ago....

I don't want Axl to change personally but we are talking just in general what could help as far as US tours etc. For GNR to really be successful in the US and I mean all markets, they will always do well in the major ones, but to be totally back, Axl would have to do some repair to his perceived image

What image is that? That he's one of the best front men in the business?

Oh, not that one I guess...

I can see people who are fans but not hardcore fans going.... well, GNR are playing at such and such tonight...... I'd love to go but I hear they don't start till real late if at all and.... I got to work tomorrow at 8am......

I can see that keeping some people away

Of course.

And then you have those who can't go because of ticket prices.

There's all kinds of variables you can "blame" for not going.



All these things you say work against them can also work for them. Because they're definitely one of the few authentic bands out there. I bet some people notice that.

The difference is that they don't "market" themselves as one.



/jarmo

[D]

Can u see Axl really going out and promoting GNR though? He just seems to not be into that kind of stuff anymore.......

it would take a great deal of leg work and I can't see Axl doing  late night shows, morning shows, tons of radio etc.

it has nothing to do with Axl's level of performance, that of course is 2nd to none but I don't care how many years ago certain things were. Axl has a bad rep that has been perpetuated over his career and that is hard to change. Time going by alone doesn't change it.

[downzy56]

Most people hear the horror GNR stories*right or wrong/true or false* and it scares them off from going because tickets cost money. food and gas cost money, hotels cost money and the fact Axl has the rep of not showing up makes people uneasy, especially these days.

And some of those stories come from "fans" who choose to focus on the negatives.

Instead of "it was the best show I've ever seen", it's easy to say "they didn't go on until after 10PM".


Seriously D, how many times have you seen GN'R? None right?

If you could choose, would you rather have seen a GN'R show that ended later than a Bon Jovi concert or not seen a GN'R show at all?

These are the things people need to think about. If one night out of your life so far, you wouldn't have gotten home before midnight because of a concert running past midnight, I bet it would be an easy sacrifice.

It's easy to whine about shit, but the other option is staying home and not seeing a show at all.

It also seems like the casual fans are not the ones doing the most whining. So it's ironic you bring that up.

/jarmo

Oh Jarmo, if one thing never changes it's your exaggerations and distortions to argue your point.  Funny, for the past several pages I've agreed with you, especially on point of comparing GNR with NIN and Pearl Jam.  But once again your need to distort what actually went down to prove your point has become a constant of this community.

This isn't '91-'92.  GNR, while a brand, is a brand like every other brand; it's susceptible to peaks and valleys.  When Sony or McDonald's suffers, they do all they can to rebuild their brand.  Just because they were great yesterday doesn't ensure their viability today.  You can point to two tours and the album being out last year, but in these times, that's just not enough.  If public perception is that you don't care about your product, why should anyone else?

Jarmo, how many times did GNR really hit the stage after 10:00 but before 11:00.  Between '02 and '06 I saw the band 10 times (not including the Philadelphia fiasco) and only New York in '02 did the band come on any time close to 10:00 pm.  Every other time it was 11:30 at the very earliest.  This isn't an exaggeration, this was my experience; one I'll bet good money was shared by hardcore and casual fans alike.

If this was '91 (by the way, wasn't there a very large recession going on during this time?  Didn't seem to affect touring back then), then sure, go on at whatever hour works for you.  Demand was so high for a product that everyone wanted that Axl and company had free reign to do what they wanted.  I took 14 people to see GNR in Toronto in '06 and while most enjoyed the show, few would pay $100+ again due largely to the late start for who many GNR was a nostalgia act.  If it was a Friday or Saturday, then fine; but everyone had to work the next day (show was on a Wednesday and the band went on around 12:30).  Most weren't pleased at having to take cabs home because public transit shuts down at 1:30 (some actually left early so they could catch the last train).  

For me, it's not a huge deal; I enjoy the whole experience and eat it up.  But I'm in the small minority.  With the underwhelming response of Chinese Democracy by the public (and I'd argue the band itself), the band can't still operate like it once did.  If it chooses to do so, best of luck finding a promoter that will work with you or an insurance company that will underwrite the tour.  You've got Irving Azoff, the most powerful man in live-music entertainment as you're manager and yet you still can't find a way to make a tour work?  Hmm....

Cheers,

Andrew

P.S.  I'll say it again, the argument that there's a downturn in the economy is one of the worst arguments for why there's no tour.  In the top ten reasons why this band isn't touring, I'd put it at 8 or 9.

[Buddha_Master]

I just don't think Axl gives a fuck about doing this anymore. He's washed his hands and cleaned out his closet. He gave us the only thing he has every really promised.

"Where Would You Go If I Told You I Loved You And Then Walked Away?"

Maybe, Axl has walked away. Speaking for myself, to the end of time, I will thank Axl for Chinese Democracy. I really truly love it.

I just think I am cool with whatever happens or doesn't happen concerning Axl and Guns N' Roses. This Chinese Democracy album, is one of my favorite pieces of music. Its very personal for me, and is a part of me. Of course I would love more music by Axl and GN'R, or just Axl. I will always go see him and GN'R, or not GN'R if he ever performs in the L.A. area. All I am saying, is that he has given me more then I could have ever asked. He rules, and has solidified himself, in my eyes, as one of the coolest and awesome motherfuckers ever.