I'm new to Guns N Roses...

[mrlee]

god, the old band's stuff is sooooo overrated. 

Blasphemy.

i'm sorry to say it, but those old songs just do not hold up as well to me.  sure, if you like simple songs with three chords and the same blues scales, then the old band's music is definitely for you.  if you like your music to be more challenging, and complex and symphonic like queen, then join the rest of us in 2009. 

look, everybody's got different opinions and i can accept that.  but if you think 'take me down to the paradise city where teh grass is green and the girls are pretty' is an amazing idea for a song, then by all means have a blast witht he old band.  i just happen to enjoy music and art that tries to do more.  so sue me.

You mean 1975.

Complex music and simple but rockin music have both been done for decades. Get over yourself.

[oldgunsfan]

god, the old band's stuff is sooooo overrated.  just go ahead and skip to the good stuff.  once you hear chinese democracy you'll wonder what you ever saw in afd. 

also, make sure to get 'oh my god,' the first single released by gnr after the old band was gone.  that songs as good as the stuff on chinese democracy (almost).

Couldn't disagree with you more

I'll bet you if it wasn't for AFD, and that collection of "overrated material:-\ " we would never have heard of GnR and Chinese Democracy

[oldgunsfan]

Seems to me it would make most sense to listen to the most current album.

It would. It is great. But that is like trying to study history, starting with the present. You need to see where you came from to totally understand where you are going...

studying history ? 

its music, you listen to it.

As with most of your comments, you seem to not have ANY respect at all for history. If all you do with music is 'listen' to it, what the hell are you doing talking about GnR on a message board?  That seems like a little more than 'listening' to me...

GnR is my favorite band.

but this isn't fucking school.

Were Old Guns your favorite band as well back in 1991?

[falungong69]

god, the old band's stuff is sooooo overrated.  just go ahead and skip to the good stuff.  once you hear chinese democracy you'll wonder what you ever saw in afd. 

also, make sure to get 'oh my god,' the first single released by gnr after the old band was gone.  that songs as good as the stuff on chinese democracy (almost).

Couldn't disagree with you more

I'll bet you if it wasn't for AFD, and that collection of "overrated material:-\ " we would never have heard of GnR and Chinese Democracy

okay, so we disagree on one band and a couple of albums.  wow.  imagine that. 

i happen to prefer chinese democracy.  i'd have thought that would be a perfectly acceptable opinion to have on a site with the chinese democracy line-up at the top of the page.

[jarmo]

Are we done with the "old vs new" shit?

The guy asked what album he should get next. He didn't ask you to tell us your story.



/jarmo

[oldgunsfan]

god, the old band's stuff is sooooo overrated. 

Blasphemy.

i'm sorry to say it, but those old songs just do not hold up as well to me.  sure, if you like simple songs with three chords and the same blues scales, then the old band's music is definitely for you.  if you like your music to be more challenging, and complex and symphonic like queen, then join the rest of us in 2009. 

look, everybody's got different opinions and i can accept that.  but if you think 'take me down to the paradise city where teh grass is green and the girls are pretty' is an amazing idea for a song, then by all means have a blast witht he old band.  i just happen to enjoy music and art that tries to do more.  so sue me.

Songs on AFD had as many as 5 or 6 guitar tracks laid down -  it's not quite as simple as people think - and as for not holding up - for you maybe not - for rock fans and those that write about music professionally in various publications, it does - the fact when Democracy was reviewed, that about 90% of critics compared it to AFD would say to me it does stand up to the test of time - here's an analogy for you-Stairway to Heaven was written music, lyrics, melodies and all in about 15 minutes and recorded in one or two takes - does that make it a simple song that doesn't stand the test of time?  Not to piss on anyone's parade, but last year just about every music magazine made a mention of the 20th anniversary of AFD's release - for an album that doesn't stand the test of time, I'd say that opinion doesn't hold water

[oldgunsfan]

Are we done with the "old vs new" shit?

The guy asked what album he should get next. He didn't ask you to tell us your story.

/jarmo

The Old Guns was a direct reference to what Axl calls that era of the band-did I tell a story?

[oldgunsfan]

Are we done with the "old vs new" shit?

The guy asked what album he should get next. He didn't ask you to tell us your story.

/jarmo

He should buy them in the order of their release to hear the progression of the band

[mrlee]

Be careful classicgunsfan.

youve got negative 4 karma. Id hate to see you banned on behalf of this random noobs (falungong69) silly comments.

[jeffaz02t]

Seems to me it would make most sense to listen to the most current album.

It would. It is great. But that is like trying to study history, starting with the present. You need to see where you came from to totally understand where you are going...

studying history ? 

its music, you listen to it.

As with most of your comments, you seem to not have ANY respect at all for history. If all you do with music is 'listen' to it, what the hell are you doing talking about GnR on a message board?  That seems like a little more than 'listening' to me...

GnR is my favorite band.

but this isn't fucking school.

So it is not okay to appreciate the history of one of the most influential bands of all time, however you can post on a message board almost 5,000 times about GnR? And *I* am the one who takes GnR too seriously?

To the original poster, I would just go ahead and buy all the GnR albums and judge for yourself. Do not pay attention to my bias, or the bias of any other person on this site. Buy the music and judge for yourself. You will not ruin your experience if you were to move on to Chinese Democracy right away. It is a great album that can stand up on its own. Enjoy, and congrats on discovering this great music.

[marknroses]

My best advice to any new GNR fan is to get bootlegs or watch live performances of GNR on You Tube

From the club era:
Roxy January 18, 1986

From AFD:
Ritz 1988 or Felt Forum 1988

From UYI:
London 1991
Paris 1992
San Diego 1992
New Haven 1993
Argentina 1993

From CD:
Rock Am Ring 2006
Download Festival 2006.

You will learn to have an additional appreciation for their abilities live, which are as impressive or even more-so than in the studio.
Not only did you encounter a great Hard Rock Band, but also the Greatest Live Performing Hard Rock Band of All Time!
 
Mark

[jeffaz02t]

Are we done with the "old vs new" shit?

The guy asked what album he should get next. He didn't ask you to tell us your story.



/jarmo

I feel ya Jarmo. However, this 'battle' was started when Falungong69 started disrespecting GnR's past. The original poster wanted our opinions as to where to go from herer in his GnR journey. To have people talk shit about the past to a new fan is totally lame. It is JUST as bad as the people who would tell him CD is trash and ONLY listen to the classic albums. I do feel a need to defend the output from the classic band when it is slandered. I am NOT defending Slash, Duff or Matt as people, rather I am defending their MUSIC.

Look, this is your site, and it is a fucking great site. I would not tell you how to run it. I am trying to respectfully defend GnR from those who would act like the band was founded in 2001 by Axl and Buckethead. If you feel that I am being rude, or ruining your site with my comments, let me know. I was rude when I first started posting here, but I saw my error and apologized... I am not trying to be a jerk, but to tell a new fan to not buy Lies because Slash gets royalties is stupid. I though GnR was a BAND, not an episode of Beverly Hills, 90210...

Also, doesn't FalunGong69 post under 2 usernames?

[ppbebe]

I've always respected Slash as a guitarist and I have a friend who used to worship Axl Rose... then I just saw November Rain on a music channel a few months back and thought I'd give it a go...

Would you say the special edition boxset of CD is worth getting?

if you like the merch. there's a thread about the boxset. http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=54288.40
you decide. 

Yeah with freedom of speech, it's ok to state an opinion that the debut album is the best, whereas to see the huge growth from the early ones in the latest work is wrong and sacrilege.     

Im sick of people on here choosing to see what they want to in peoples posts and opinions.

Again, im not knocking on CD. Read my post i talk about it and state how it is good but i also say how different it is to the earlier albums.

My issue is that he is trying to persuade this guy not to listen/buy/whatever the bands previous albums because he doesnt like the old band members. He also then goes to discredit the work and the very reason most of us listen to Guns N Roses, of the previous line ups.

Its fine not to like Slash, i dont like him very much either. Hes commercialised himself far too much. But that doesnt take away from the awesome music THE BAND produced. He hasnt done anything worthy since GNR in my opinion anyway.

In blunt what im saying is. Stop talking down to anyone that doesnt lick the new line ups ass. Why should i dislike old GNR just because there is a new line up. Cant i like both? 

yes you can. like why should you dislike a lineup just because there were old ones.
I wasn't referring to your post in particular. I'm not on the the lineup argument which is off from the topic where a new fan with afd and uyi is asking what album you would suggest to get next.

[D]

god, the old band's stuff is sooooo overrated. 

Blasphemy.

i'm sorry to say it, but those old songs just do not hold up as well to me.  sure, if you like simple songs with three chords and the same blues scales, then the old band's music is definitely for you.  if you like your music to be more challenging, and complex and symphonic like queen, then join the rest of us in 2009. 

look, everybody's got different opinions and i can accept that.  but if you think 'take me down to the paradise city where teh grass is green and the girls are pretty' is an amazing idea for a song, then by all means have a blast witht he old band.  i just happen to enjoy music and art that tries to do more.  so sue me.

Is this Ashton Kutcher?

Surely to God u can't be serious.  We are all being punked right?

[wells]

We are all being punked right?

Right. In a same way that you like more current GN'R than illusion that was old GN'R 




-velimir

[wadey]

What do you think I should get next?

Do what most of us do round here........BUY IT ALL ON EVERY FORMAT 

seriously though... you should buy Chinese Democracy so you can listen to the most present material and then track your way back through time at your convenience (and then make your own mind up)

[italysfinest1985]

god, the old band's stuff is sooooo overrated. 

Blasphemy.

i'm sorry to say it, but those old songs just do not hold up as well to me.  sure, if you like simple songs with three chords and the same blues scales, then the old band's music is definitely for you.  if you like your music to be more challenging, and complex and symphonic like queen, then join the rest of us in 2009. 

look, everybody's got different opinions and i can accept that.  but if you think 'take me down to the paradise city where teh grass is green and the girls are pretty' is an amazing idea for a song, then by all means have a blast witht he old band.  i just happen to enjoy music and art that tries to do more.  so sue me.

Is this Ashton Kutcher?

Surely to God u can't be serious.  We are all being punked right?

Hahahahaha. 

[jemin]

Didn't he say he already had Appetite and Illusions?  So get Lies which is just an EP and then get Democracy.

It also depends on what type of music he is really into.  I love the sound of acoustic guitars so I would go with Lies, if he prefers more production in his music then CD should be his next purchase.  Either way he can't really go wrong.

[jarmo]

Didn't he say he already had Appetite and Illusions?  So get Lies which is just an EP and then get Democracy.

It also depends on what type of music he is really into.  I love the sound of acoustic guitars so I would go with Lies, if he prefers more production in his music then CD should be his next purchase.  Either way he can't really go wrong.

Exactly.

So the next natural one to get would be Chinese Democracy.

Both GN'R Lies and "The Spaghetti Incident?" were basically put out in between the "real" albums...




/jarmo

[y2marmar]

I don't even count Spaghetti as a real album. Its pretty much just cover versions. I'd definitely recommend CD over that