Axl again on mygnrforum: Dexter homework

[loretian]

They didn't start a business together, they started a band together, and one of them walked out on the band while the other stayed. Then one started whoring himself out to every artist who would take him, to quote Axl "playing with everyone from Michael Jackson to Space Ghost", while the other one didn't release a record for 15 years in order to perfect his magnum opus, yeah that's caring about money, cause you make tons of money by not releasing records. Finally when his anticipated comeback is here and everyone wants to finally know his side of the story and he could have gotten every fucking magazine cover in the business and tons of money for it, he decides to give the exclusive scoop to the fans for free. Yeah, Axl is the one that cares about money... Get a grip on reality, your hero is a sell-out.

"Follow your heart and never sell out"

-W. Axl Rose

Well said!

If Axl is truly in it for the money, he's made some horrible, horrible decisions to that end...

All his behavior leads us to the opposite conclusion; that he cares about the music, and cares about the product that he delivers to us, much more than any money.  I have to say, based on the evidence before me, I am very happy Axl retained the rights to the name, and the latest Guns N' Roses album is Chinese Democracy, and not some form of Contraband or anything else.

[Skunk]

Wow Hudson...  Seriously?

Nobody says Axl doesn't care about money. As a matter of fact Axl said that if he hadn't secured the rights to the name he imagines a scenario where he would have ended up publicly destroyed and bankrupt. Axl cares about money and i'm sure you do too... but that doesn't mean it was his motivation, and i don't see any reason to think he's lying about that. Axl was the biggest rock star in the world and money was coming in hand over fist when he secured the name. With it, as he clearly pointed out, does come more money, but also more responsibility and more expectations. All of that Axl took on because he thought it was right. He cared, literally, about the name, and not what the name could do for him. For those 15 years he wasn't throwing that name around and making money off it, but he was being sued because former members wanted the right to do just that.

And as for sounding childish, again, i can't believe you'd see it that way.
It's not that he's STILL talking about this after 15 years, it's that he's just now talking about it for the first time. They don't get along, that's just how it is. It's nice that Slash and Duff say nice things about CD (though how could they not), but it was a long time ago. They've been broken up way longer than they were together, and they are certainly not "family" and shouldn't pretend that they are. Axl clearly feels he was mistreated, maybe even underappreciated, and if he wants to tell his fans what happened, i think that's cool.

[The Catcher]

Axl is one of the last rock stars that have artistic integrity and don't sell out to car commercials or reality TV or radio shows or dumb down their music. If you don't know that then you need to check your head.

[Shoeboy517]

I agree Axl has integrity, Shackler, but maybe you don't remember the Harley thing...

or Rock Band...

or Body of Lies...

He hasn't exactly taken an oath against a little commercialism.

Not that there's anything wrong with it.

[The Catcher]

That's different, it was a way of promotion and doing what you feel like doing and movie soundtracks is a whole another thing.

[grog mug]

I like how this is being covered by MTV....finally clearing some stuff up.

[jemin]

That's different, it was a way of promotion and doing what you feel like doing and movie soundtracks is a whole another thing.

Not really different at all.  If anything it's selective though.

[nekomex]

i been saying this for years, after watching Slash with Paulina rubio and also the velvet revolver albums. it was obvious who had the greatest vision on GNR , and thats Axl. so im happy for him and for the band.

but appart from that i dont think its cool to be talking about the personality of slash as if we know him personally, Axl has the right because he had the problem, but speculating about what motivates slash its just that "speculation".  and an honest question to Jarmo
why do you dislike slash so much? from your posts it seems you really dont like the guy.

[irishtwilight]

They started a business together all having equal rights to the GNR name. GNR became an official business with value when they got signed by Geffen. Slash and Duff had a vested intrest in the GNR name hence the reason Axl had to get them to sign away their rights to the name.

Do you know what a founder is?

They were all partners in the GN'R corporation, but only one of them is the founder.
/jarmo

Remember Jarmo, Roger Waters lost the same type of case in who could use the name Pink Floyd, so it would have been interesting to see how the courts would have ruled if the former members had sued right away. That said I agree that Axl should have the right in this case to use the name Guns & Roses over Slash & Duff. However, I never dreamed in a million years that so much of the orginal fanbase of GNR (especially in the United States) would be against this version of the band and that Axl would have to spend this type of time explaining himself to his fanbase on messageboards and not be able to put this time into promoting Chinese Democracy to people outside of the diehard fans. I hope I'm wrong and sales really start to pick up, but so far this is not a good sign. I have bought a number of copies to give as holiday stocking gifts and stuff, so I personally do not want to see this happen.

[wight gunner]

FWIW, I think the sales of CD will be a steady flow rather than a Feast and Famine affair.  A year from now, I can see that the overall sales will be higher than many of the ones that hit the top spot...

A bit like get laid really, CD won't be past its best after five minutes, but mearly looking to be doing the business half the night 

[Sweet]

It was about time!!!

Wether some may like it or not, it was about time Axl would said the truth. 

It almost brought tears of joy to my eyes.

Btw thanks Fernando. 

[turbosmash]

can someone please post the part when axl talked about reuniting for charity??

[jarmo]

can someone please post the part when axl talked about reuniting for charity??

Also, would u consider GNR to perform for a charity cause, and if yes what that cause would be?


All depends on the cause and if it feels right for us at the time. There could be a disaster that we felt strongly about being involved with helping in some way but often these turn into ways for bands to just promote themselves not really caring but looking so publicly. Or the money doesn't reach the victims or those in need while the celebrities are promoted for thier efforts. Efforts at what? Not into that so much. Medical situations are always important. If you're really helping then I'm for it. Which one's I couldn't really say it's not like I would draw a line or argue the importance of one over another in most cases.

It doesn't say anything about reuniting....



/jarmo

[robz150]

Quote from: Evolution on December 12, 2008, 03:55:10 AM
I think the racetrack you're referring to was the Download 2006 gig at Donnington? Could be wrong.

Glasgow was the SECC in Scotland! You have the history with kilts and having Scottish blood, right? Haha!


My bad, was it outdoors or in? I was thinking of an out door afternoon gig not Donnington though. thought it might have been a horse track with the layout. Probably what u mistakenly refer to as football!!

The sites a little bogged down so having trouble answering much of anything.
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Sounds like he's mixing it up with the RDS Showgrounds in Dublin in 2006

[adman2374]

They started a business together all having equal rights to the GNR name. GNR became an official business with value when they got signed by Geffen. Slash and Duff had a vested intrest in the GNR name hence the reason Axl had to get them to sign away their rights to the name.

Do you know what a founder is?

They were all partners in the GN'R corporation, but only one of them is the founder.

Slash does care about money and so does Axl. There is nothing wrong with that.

No, you just don't get it.

You make a claim and for comparison's sake I asked you what it makes Slash if you think Axl cares about money.

It's like saying somebody who has $1000 is rich. But so's Donald Trump....



The whole idea that Axl cares about money is something you brought up to be negative.

It's laughable considering you're probably one of those fans who's upset that Axl goes on "late".

The problem is that Slash made a mistake and Axl holds a grudge after 15 years which seems immature at his stage in life.

Oh boy.

You must really know all the details..... Oh wait, no it's called selective memory!

This isn't something that happened 15 years ago.

It's been happening ever since!

Who just fucked up the most anticipated album release of all time by disappearing and not doing press?

Finally you show your true colors after trying to hide it in those paragraphs.

Enough said "Hudson".

 

Go play in the VR section....





/jarmo

FYI, they were all founders. If you don't know the history here, then don't comment. There was no formal partnership agreement when gnr formed (meaning, an agreement on paper). And, FYI, a company, etc can and usually does have more than one founder...

[ppbebe]

to my knowledge in the line-up when the band started there wasn't slash or duff.

[jarmo]

to my knowledge in the line-up when the band started there wasn't slash or duff.

Correct.

They joined Guns N' Roses.




/jarmo

[ppbebe]

If you don't know the history here, then don't comment.

now adman2374,  follow your own advice, will you?

[GypsySoul]

FYI, they were all founders. If you don't know the history here, then don't comment. There was no formal partnership agreement when gnr formed (meaning, an agreement on paper). And, FYI, a company, etc can and usually does have more than one founder...

IMO, You're mistaking the REAL "history" with the stories we've been falsely lead to believe were the truth.

Gypsy note for full disclosure:  In Axl's homework, the second quote I listed below was posted after the other two.

When Guns renegotiated our contract with Geffen I had the bit about the name added in as protection for myself as I had come up with the name and then originally started the band with it. It had more to do with management than the band as our then manager was always tryin? to convince someone they should fire me. As I had stopped speaking with him he sensed his days were numbered and was bending any ear he could along with attempting to sell our renegotiation out for a personal payday from Geffen.

The name does come from mine and Traci?s as the original inspiration but was something I played with not Traci and Guns was Guns before Traci joined. It was Guns Before I knocked on Izzy?s window. Earlier I had gotten Tracii to use the name Guns (as he had mentioned a girl had called him Mr. Guns sometime) so he?d stop calling his band Persian Rose. So I guess we have the girl to thank.


Why keep the name? I?m literally the last man standing. Not bragging, not proud. It?s been a fucking nightmare but I didn?t leave Guns and I didn?t drive others out. With Slash it?s been nothing more than pure strategy and saving face while manipulating the public like he used to me. I earned the right to protect my efforts and to be able to take advantage of our contract I?d worked hard for where Slash?s exact words were that he didn?t care. I get that some like a different version or lineup the same way some like a specific team line up or a particular year of a specific car but because you and I are getting played I?m supposed to throw the baby out with the bath water?

[adman2374]

to my knowledge in the line-up when the band started there wasn't slash or duff.

Correct.

They joined Guns N' Roses.




/jarmo

Yes, true, but there were numerous comings and goings from the band "guns n roses" for a while. Even axl left for a while. But the line-up as of June 5th, 1985 was the line-up we all know about. I think jarmo was in diapers then. Why can't you admit that slash, izz, and duff were "founding members?" Tracii Guns was a founding member also, but he left. So what!@#? What the big deal? I know Jarmo wants to come off as the man here, but give me a break..