The Obama Administration thread

[Jdog0830]

I see well I think we know who the author of the artical is for then.

And they made this poll in just four days!?
It hardly seems that they got a large enough ammount with only that time and one million people.







Joe

[pilferk]

I see well I think we know who the author of the artical is for then.

And they made this poll in just four days!?
It hardly seems that they got a large enough ammount with only that time and one million people.


Joe

Telephone poll...a significant bank of pollsters...pretty standard operating procedure.

And they interviewed about 1000 people (1001, to be exact), which is a pretty standard poll size for this type of thing.

[Jdog0830]

I see well I think we know who the author of the artical is for then.

And they made this poll in just four days!?
It hardly seems that they got a large enough ammount with only that time and one million people.


Joe

Telephone poll...a significant bank of pollsters...pretty standard operating procedure.

Yeah but I mean I am sure alot of people bull shited there way through the thing if they even actually took it.

No one likes being called up for someone to ask them if they want to take a survey



Joe

[pilferk]

Yeah but I mean I am sure alot of people bull shited there way through the thing if they even actually took it.

No one likes being called up for someone to ask them if they want to take a survey



Joe

If you completely discount the polling methods used for...well....every political poll, then you must discount what EVERY poll, ever, tells you.

You can take that stance...you're certainly not alone in doing so....but that's where we'll have to agree to disagree.

[Jdog0830]

Yeah but I mean I am sure alot of people bull shited there way through the thing if they even actually took it.

No one likes being called up for someone to ask them if they want to take a survey



Joe

If you completely discount the polling methods used for...well....every political poll, then you must discount what EVERY poll, ever, tells you.

You can take that stance...you're certainly not alone in doing so....but that's where we'll have to agree to disagree.

Yes true but can you blame me when we have seen news stations making stuff up like about the Tea Party things, such as using different rally pictures and calling them the Tea Party rally where that rally in reality had about 40 to 30% of that rallys people.






Joe

[Skeba]

But that's exactly the problem...

Nobody's willing to believe anyone/anything anymore. With all the bullshit flying, why is there no single news organization giving people the facts without an enormous spin!?

Just seems so odd...

[Bodhi]

Obama's approval rating has hit its lowest yet.. 46% approve/45% disapprove.  It will only get worse as he, Pelosi and Reid continue to shove this healthcare nonsense down our throats, even though a majority of this country is against it.  He is giving ol' W a run for his money when it comes to completely disregarding what our country wants.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

[Jdog0830]

But that's exactly the problem...

Nobody's willing to believe anyone/anything anymore. With all the bullshit flying, why is there no single news organization giving people the facts without an enormous spin!?

Just seems so odd...

I was saying that since today you dont know which news is real or has a modifcation in it.


Welcome to news!
To them its all about the story the facts are in there but just not all of them.

Just the ones that give a basic understanding of the situation and then they spin it to the favor of the owner of that news station.


Its all about keeping there jobs and getting a pay check and it should have that but the truth should come first!




Joe

[Jdog0830]

Obama's approval rating has hit its lowest yet.. 46% approve/45% disapprove.  It will only get worse as he, Pelosi and Reid continue to shove this healthcare nonsense down our throats, even though a majority of this country is against it.  He is giving ol' W a run for his money when it comes to completely disregarding what our country wants.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Thought you would have a more conservitive view on all this.



Joe

[Axl4Prez2004]

Obama's approval rating has hit its lowest yet.. 46% approve/45% disapprove.  It will only get worse as he, Pelosi and Reid continue to shove this healthcare nonsense down our throats, even though a majority of this country is against it.  He is giving ol' W a run for his money when it comes to completely disregarding what our country wants.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Bodhi, correct me if I am wrong...but there are still more Americans that approve of President Obama's performance than disapprove, correct?  That's pretty damn impressive considering the state of the economy.  I'd be curious to see what Reagan's approval/disapproval rating was in 1983 (when he had already been in office for over 2 years) and the unemployment rate was even higher than it is today. 

[TheWalkinDude]

Obama's approval rating has hit its lowest yet.. 46% approve/45% disapprove.  It will only get worse as he, Pelosi and Reid continue to shove this healthcare nonsense down our throats, even though a majority of this country is against it.  He is giving ol' W a run for his money when it comes to completely disregarding what our country wants.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Bodhi, correct me if I am wrong...but there are still more Americans that approve of President Obama's performance than disapprove, correct?  That's pretty damn impressive considering the state of the economy.  I'd be curious to see what Reagan's approval/disapproval rating was in 1983 (when he had already been in office for over 2 years) and the unemployment rate was even higher than it is today. 

You're really going to celebrate a 1% difference between approval and disapproval?  Less than half of the country supports him and he willing ran for office in the  present state of the economy.  Nothing impressive about his performance at all.  The man ran on improving the economy, healthcare reform, closing GITMO and getting us out of Iraq.  I'm sure you can find a million small things he;s done and inflate their importance, but in reality, he's failed thus far.  And all the hype and blame put on the GOP is bullshit.  Obama had absolute control for over a year, and any failure to get his agenda put through is a direct reflection on him and his party.

[Bodhi]

score one for Obama...one of the few things that I agree with him on thus far... of course this is bringing us one step closer to the New World Order, but I agree with him nonetheless.

Obama Supports DNA Sampling Upon Arrest
By David Kravets  March 10, 2010 
Josh Gerstein over at Politico sent Threat Level his piece underscoring once again President Barack Obama is not the civil-liberties knight in shining armor many were expecting.

Gerstein posts a televised interview of Obama and John Walsh of America?s Most Wanted. The nation?s chief executive extols the virtues of mandatory DNA testing of Americans upon arrest, even absent charges or a conviction. Obama said, ?It?s the right thing to do? to ?tighten the grip around folks? who commit crime.

When it comes to civil liberties, the Obama administration has come under fire for often mirroring his predecessor?s practices surrounding state secrets, the Patriot Act and domestic spying. There?s also Gitmo, Jay Bybee and John Yoo.

Now there?s DNA sampling. Obama told Walsh he supported the federal government, as well as the 18 states that have varying laws requiring compulsory DNA sampling of individuals upon an arrest for crimes ranging from misdemeanors to felonies. The data is lodged in state and federal databases, and has fostered as many as 200 arrests nationwide, Walsh said.

The American Civil Liberties Union claims DNA sampling is different from mandatory, upon-arrest fingerprinting that has been standard practice in the United States for decades.

A fingerprint, the group says, reveals nothing more than a person?s identity. But much can be learned from a DNA sample, which codes a person?s family ties, some health risks, and, according to some, can predict a propensity for violence.

The ACLU is suing California to block its voter-approved measure requiring saliva sampling of people picked up on felony charges. Authorities in the Golden State are allowed to conduct so-called ?familial searching? ? when a genetic sample does not directly match another, authorities start investigating people with closely matched DNA in hopes of finding leads to the perpetrator.

Do you wonder whether DNA sampling is legal?

The courts have already upheld DNA sampling of convicted felons, based on the theory that the convicted have fewer privacy rights. The U.S. Supreme Court has held that when conducting intrusions of the body during an investigation, the police need so-called ?exigent circumstances? or a warrant. That alcohol evaporates in the blood stream is the exigent circumstance to draw blood from a suspected drunk driver without a warrant.



Read More http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/obama-supports-dna-sampling-upon-arrest#ixzz0iDyWU9W7

[Jdog0830]

Sounds fine to me unless your parranoid or have done horrible crimes you got nothing to worry about!

Hell it can help us even if they did this to the war detaines so even if they escaped I am sure we could figure out exactly where they would be.

The only problem is if someone is specificly targeting you and hopfully that wont happen.

Joe

[Jdog0830]

Republicans have a simple problem they are always closed minded.

When they were in charge all they cared about was supporting the goverment.

When the Demicrats are in charge you all just want to say that the goverment is to powerfull and must be stoped.

Reps are the ones that make politics into basicly the normal peoples entertainment.
I am sure the Dems have some blame in there too but you Republicans know how to take things to far.



Joe

[Bodhi]

Bodhi you and the Republicans have a simular problem you always are closed minded.

When you were in charge all you cared about was supporting the goverment.

When the Demicrats are in charge you all just want to say that the goverment is to powerfull and must be stoped.

You are the ones that make politics into basicly the normal peoples entertainment.
I am sure the Dems have some blame in there two but you Republicans know how to take things to far.



Joe

there is a different between supporting our country and wanting big government.  I never wanted big government. Im a little confused on what you are saying I said.

[sandman]

interesting situation in the middle of the health care debate...

Price hike hits Pa. adultBasic health plan
By Jane M. Von Bergen

Inquirer Staff Writer

Carolyn Johnson's monthly health-insurance premiums nearly doubled this month, from $313 to $600 - a tough jump for a laid-off legal assistant who lives with her retired father and gets by on unemployment benefits.

In this case, the staggering 92 percent rate increase was not imposed by an insurance company but by the state of Pennsylvania. Johnson's coverage is equivalent to the adultBasic plan provided by the state's Insurance Department, headed by a commissioner who has been active in pushing for sweeping changes to the nation's health-care system.

"You are not going to find me defending this as a good choice," said Insurance Commissioner Joel Ario, who sat next to President Obama at a recent White House conference on insurance.

"Among the horrible choices, this is the least obscene," Ario said, blaming the increase on the rising costs of medical care.

Pennsylvania's adultBasic is a state-run health-insurance program for the unemployed and financially distressed. That's what makes this increase so onerous, said Jonathan Stein, a lawyer with Community Legal Services and a frequent critic of insurance companies.

"Essentially the state and [the nonprofit Independence Blue Cross] are acting like a for-profit insurance company, pricing people who are needy out of insurance," he said.

In February 2007, Johnson, 53, lost her job as a legal assistant. She eventually went on the waiting list for Pennsylvania's subsidized adultBasic plan.

The program, administered in this area by Independence Blue Cross, is partly funded by payments to the state from the four Blue Cross insurance companies that sell policies in Pennsylvania.

Independence Blue Cross paid $61 million last year, of which $36.6 million underwrites the adultBasic program, Independence Blue Cross spokeswoman Elizabeth Williams said.

Under the adultBasic plan, subscribers receive doctors' visits and hospital coverage for $36 a month. Vision, dental, and prescription drugs aren't included. Until March 1 when the premium rose to $600, people on the waiting list - people such as Johnson - used to be able to buy the same coverage for $313 a month until they could be enrolled for $36.

The waiting list for the $36 program now stands at 390,131 - nearly 10 times the 39,180 currently enrolled. The waiting list has doubled in size in a year, Insurance Department spokeswoman Rosanne Placey said.

About 3,000 on the list, including Johnson, bought the equivalent coverage for $313 per month.

"I have high blood pressure, a thyroid condition, and heart problems," said Johnson, who lives in Cheltenham Township.

"I do need my health insurance," she said. "I can't afford it, but I have no choice."

To Ario, the situation with adultBasic illustrates a key point in the current health-care debate: At $36 per month, the pool of subscribers for adultBasic includes the healthy as well as the sick. But at $313 per month, and at the new $600 price, only the sickest feel compelled to subscribe.

"The average expenses [for medical care] for people paying for adultBasic coverage while on the waiting list were more than three times the average expenses for people enrolled in the low-cost adultBasic program," the department wrote in a January letter to subscribers.

The letter noted that for every 100 people who paid $313, 300 people would not be able to be enter the $36 program. Providing medical care for the sickest strained the state's budget for adultBasic.

The adultBasic premium will rise again in July to $629. Out-of-pocket costs are also up significantly.

"The current system forces us into obscene choices," Ario said. It forces regulators to choose among those needing coverage. "And it forces people into the obscene choice: Do they buy health care or put food on the table for their kids?"

Signed by Deputy Insurance Commissioner Peter J. Adams, the January letter to subscribers said the department realized the increases would "create additional burdens for people who ... are already struggling....

"Hopefully, federal health-care reforms will soon make health insurance more affordable to all, including the people ... on the waiting list."

[Jdog0830]

I am just saying that is the problem republicans have.

I didnt remember saying about you and I am going to change that right away sorry...





Joe

[Bodhi]

I am just saying that is the problem republicans have.

I didnt remember saying about you and I am going to change that right away sorry...





Joe

oh ok. Yeah I know what you are saying.  Most republicans when Bush was in office got on the democrats for not respecting the President with the things they said in the media, and low and behold when Obama got in they have done the exact same thing.

[pilferk]

there is a different between supporting our country and wanting big government.  I never wanted big government. Im a little confused on what you are saying I said.

So you were complaining when Bush grew government at a larger pace than any president since Roosevelt and The New Deal.  Right?

I mean, maybe YOU were...but I can tell you, for a fact, that most Repubs were not.  Which is why that objection, NOW, rings a little hollow, ya know?

[sandman]

crazy times with this health care debate. we could be very close to a monumental moment in politics. the Dems are not handling it well, but could succeed in getting it passed anyhow. it doesn't sound like this bill will lower premiums (which is unfortunate), and this is far from the best solution. but if it helps cover millions more, prevents consumers costs from rising significantly, and lowers the impact on the deficit, it's not a bad thing. we'll see.

"It is very important to us that this legislation be fiscally sound - that is, save $100 billion in the first 10 years and $1 trillion in the second 10 years," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi at a briefing on Tuesday.