The Obama Administration thread

[freedom78]

Third, he wasn't speaking to Jews...he was speaking to (presumably mostly Muslim) Egyptians.  And do we really need to go out of our way to highlight our commonalities with an ally, to whom we sell jts and tanks and missiles?  I think it's pretty well established.  He also didn't, on his trip to the UK, talk about how we're the biggest nation of Englishmen.  I suppose that offended, too?  Or is it just if we don't constantly demonstrate our wet dreams about Israel?

Better than B.O.'s wet dreams about Muslims!

I don't that he'd ever make the comment about Jews, much less in front of a Muslim nation.

No one can prove what his religion is because I don't think he even knows. But he sure does go out of his way to sing praise to the Muslim world and Islamic religion.

Remember sandman, there's nothing wrong with sticking a needle into a baby's head and sucking the brain out thru a vacuum, but it's completely wrong to "torture" a terrorist to get information that will save American lives.

There are kids out there right now and terrorists are contending for their lives (quite literally).  Should we should act under the assumption that all Muslims are terrorists?  Should we do things to disrespect all Muslims and drive them into the "death to America" camp?  Or do we make a clear distinction between the vast majority of Muslims, who are normal good people with whom we can have respectful, cooperative relations, and those who are clearly extremists?  Every time we  disrespect Islam or heavily Muslim countries, every time we resort to force when it isn't absolutely necessary, we create more potential terrorists.  We back up their "America is on a crusade against Islam" rhetoric with an action that fits it.  Obama is attempting to change that approach.  He's drawing that distinction and going after the opinion of the larger Muslim community, in the hopes that today's little kids aren't tomorrow's terrorists. 

Also, with regard to your questions about his religion...how wing-nutty can ya get?  He's a Christian.  If it served your purpose, you'd be talking about Pastor Wright and how Obama's some crazed black nationalist because of his church affiliation.  But it doesn't fit your purpose, since we're talking about Islam.  So he must be some secret Muslim.  Never mind that he pointed out the importance of Christianity in Palestine ("On the other hand, it is also undeniable that the Palestinian people - Muslims and Christians - have suffered in pursuit of a homeland.") or even that he stood up in Egypt and said, point blank, "I am a Christian."  Which he did.  Check the vid at about 6:13 ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/04/obama-egypt-speech-video_n_211216.html ).  Or how about the exultation that Jerusalem is important to Christians ("when Jerusalem is a secure and lasting home for Jews and Christians and Muslims, and a place for all of the children of Abraham to mingle peacefully together").  Or the religious freedom that he, as a Christian, had in Muslim Indonesia as a child ("I saw it firsthand as a child in Indonesia, where devout Christians worshiped freely in an overwhelmingly Muslim country.")?

In addition, since you believe he's a secret Muslim, let me ask you this important question.  So what?  If he were a Muslim, would that matter?  We have religious freedom in this country.

[Drew]

You have your opinion and I have my opinion. I'll respect that freedom78. We'll just agree to disagree because we're just going around and around.

[freedom78]

You have your opinion and I have my opinion. I'll respect that freedom78. We'll just agree to disagree because we're just going around and around.

I disagree. 

[Drew]

I disagree. 

That's fine. 

[Jim Bob]

i could give 2 shits what Obama's religion is, as long as he's not using his power to impose it on the rest of us.

[Drew]

i could give 2 shits what Obama's religion is, as long as he's not using his power to impose it on the rest of us.

I don't really care about his religion either as long as he doesn't send America down a road the people aren't even willing to face. I'm sick of hearing this guy apologize over and over and blame America for every wrong in the world. That's fuckin' sickening! It's all America's fault for all the wrong in the world according to this guy and he's just glad he hasn't been around that long or wasn't a part of it.

Let him use his power to keep taking over auto makers and nationalizing banks and see where that leads this country. It won't be to prosperity but he doesn't want that anyway. All he wants is more, more, more, more, and more GOVERNMENT!!!!

[Jim Bob]

I don't really care about his religion either as long as he doesn't send America down a road the people aren't even willing to face. I'm sick of hearing this guy apologize over and over and blame America for every wrong in the world. That's fuckin' sickening! It's all America's fault for all the wrong in the world according to this guy and he's just glad he hasn't been around that long or wasn't a part of it.

blowing things just a tad out of proportion, aren't you?   Seriously, this sounds like something Sean Hannity would say.   I've never seen him blame America for everything wrong in the world, albeit he doesn't sit there and act like we are a perfect nation who has gotten everything right 100% of the time.. but what nation does?

Let him use his power to keep taking over auto makers and nationalizing banks and see where that leads this country. It won't be to prosperity but he doesn't want that anyway. All he wants is more, more, more, more, and more GOVERNMENT!!!!

The dems want too much government involved in the business sector, the repubs want too much government in people's personal lives, doctors offices, and bedrooms.   

[Drew]

blowing things just a tad out of proportion, aren't you?   Seriously, this sounds like something Sean Hannity would say.   I've never seen him blame America for everything wrong in the world, albeit he doesn't sit there and act like we are a perfect nation who has gotten everything right 100% of the time.. but what nation does?

No, I don't think I'm blowing anything out of proportion. Since this guy has been in office he has forced his way in taking over an auto maker and banks. He's printing money like there's no tomorrow. He wants to shove health care down everyone's throats to which he has no way of possible paying for yet another government entitlement program. Fuel is skyrocketing, food prices are soaring, and our taxes are about to go thru the roof. Remember what's this guy has already done to the deficit and budget. How else does he think he's going to pay for it?

The dems want too much government involved in the business sector, the repubs want too much government in people's personal lives, doctors offices, and bedrooms.   

It's not the Republicans or Conservatives who are trying to force health care down everyone's throats. It's the Democrats who also want to force people into what kind of car they should buy, they want to give entitlement programs one after another, they want to punish the hard working Americans by taking their money and spreading it around to the parasites of this country. It's absolutely insane to think that the producers and hard workers of this country should have to pay for the parasites and leeches to sit on the ass all day long everyday. I do not think tax payers money should go to help people save their mortgages who in the first place should not even be in a house.

Who would have ever thought that France would be lecturing the U.S. on the road we have already started down thanks to B.O.

Does anyone really think the government can do a better job than the private industry? I say there's absolutely no way they can. Take a look at health care in England, France, Canada, and a lot of other European countries and it's plain as daylight that it won't work.

[Jim Bob]

You didn't answer how he was blaming america for everything wrong in the world.   Thats the question I asked you!!!!   Uou answered by talking about bailouts and goverment run health care.

Most of those problems you listed are not new problems caused in the last 4 or 5 months since Bush was out of office.   Government owned banks and automakers are a RESULT of the policies of the George W Bush administration.  Gas was over $4.00 a gallon last year.  Sure they are going up again, but they reached their all time high under Bush's watch.   Fuel prices always go up in the summer, but it won't go as high this year. 

and you talk about health care access for everyone like its a bad thing.      I think most of the people want health care shoved down their throats.

[Jim Bob]

Does anyone really think the government can do a better job than the private industry? I say there's absolutely no way they can. Take a look at health care in England, France, Canada, and a lot of other European countries and it's plain as daylight that it won't work.

Dude people move to Canada from this country BECAUSE of their health care system.

[Drew]

You didn't answer how he was blaming america for everything wrong in the world.   Thats the question I asked you!!!!   Uou answered by talking about bailouts and goverment run health care.

Most of those problems you listed are not new problems caused in the last 4 or 5 months since Bush was out of office.   Government owned banks and automakers are a RESULT of the policies of the George W Bush administration.  Gas was over $4.00 a gallon last year.  Sure they are going up again, but they reached their all time high under Bush's watch.   Fuel prices always go up in the summer, but it won't go as high this year. 

and you talk about health care access for everyone like its a bad thing.      I think most of the people want health care shoved down their throats.

Why on earth would he apologizing? Is he apologizing for all the times America has rushed to the aid of countries such as Europe and other countries around the world? I don't think so.

What is B.O. doing about the deficit except sinking this country more and more. He can't go on and on blaming the Bush administration for everything. I know the liberal media like NBC will continue to show him as a "rock star" and sing him praises out their asshole, but the guy continues to destroy this country economically day after day. Taxes are about to go thru the roof but everyone is still fascinated by the Razzle Dazzle of the Barelle's.

Health care is a bad thing, especially health care ran by the government. How in the world can government provide this and it be a good thing? They can't. Look at all the countries who have tried health care and have fallen flat on their face. It doesn't work. Unless you think poor treatment and rationing is a good idea.

For some reason, there are a lot of people in America, and maybe you are one of those people, who think the government should provide a home, a car, a job, health care, child care, etc., etc., etc. They believe that everyone should be given an equal amount no matter if your a hard working individual or just a parasite.

Dude people move to Canada from this country BECAUSE of their health care system.

How many people from Canada, France, the U.K., etc., etc., etc. come to this country for health care, Dude?

[Axl4Prez2004]

Sandman:  "see that's what you fuckin people fail to get. at 7 months, it is a baby. it can be delivered and live. it happens every day. therefore, alot of people view that as a murder, not an abortion."

Sandman, there's some truth to what you say there...but "a lot of people" doesn't mean it's a good idea.
Now, since you asked a hypothetical question, I'll man-up and answer it.  Once confirmed that the son of my wife is the father of her future child (very Shakesperean btw), to be honest, she could do whatever the hell she wants with the fetus.  I would wish her well, and I'd start my life anew. 

I never said all late-term abortions are right.  Nobody here (or anywhere for that matter) has advocated such.  There should be a very thorough review of each individual's situation.  If it's not appropriate, it should not be performed.  That said, as I said before, there are legitimate reasons late-term fetuses need to be terminated.

I know Drew said we don't need health care reform.  Yay!  More young mothers-to-be not getting the right pre-natal care.  The U.S. has a very high infant mortality rate as it is.  Wait a minute, I thought we had the best medical care money can buy...err...umm...oh yeah, I forgot, many can't afford it.  Those babies suffer.  The irresponsible teen mother-to-be dumb enough to have unprotected sex is probably more likely to be engaging in drinking and drugs which do wonders for these fetuses, not.  Overturning Roe v. Wade doesn't stop abortions anyway.  All it does is ensure girls/women who can afford to travel to blue states, will.  And the poor ones won't...or by the time they get desperate, may look to try and get the terrible late-term abortion, or do it themselves.

All in all, I understand the pro-life stance.  It's honorable...but in my eyes, not realistic.  Personally, like I've written with Bodhi, I'm a responsible person who would never have unprotected sex unless I was trying to reproduce.  I get angry that there are so many idiots out there that don't behave responsibly...but unfortunately they are out there.  Luckily, the morning-after pill has cut down on the need for abortions.  Luckily, (when folks can afford good pre-natal care) early detection of horrendous defects/terminal conditions in the fetus can be detected, and if needed, abortions can be performed before the end of the 1st trimester.  I don't like it...but it's necessary.

One more note to Drew.  I'm with ya brother!  It's about time we privatize national defense.  The government does such a shitty job with everything, it's about time we entrust our nuclear arsenal to a private company.  Hell, they're private companies!  Of course they'll do a better job than the government!   

[sandman]

If it's not appropriate, it should not be performed. 

but you are ok with tiller performing them??? it sounds like you actually agree with me, but you had a problem with me calling this guy an asshole. that doesn't make sense to me.

but i stand by what i said. this guy was a scumbag.

and this isn't a pro-life pro-choice debate, so don't try to turn it into one. we've been talking soley about late-term abortions.

[Axl4Prez2004]

If it's not appropriate, it should not be performed. 

but you are ok with tiller performing them??? it sounds like you actually agree with me, but you had a problem with me calling this guy an asshole. that doesn't make sense to me.

but i stand by what i said. this guy was a scumbag.

and this isn't a pro-life pro-choice debate, so don't try to turn it into one. we've been talking soley about late-term abortions.

Are there, or have there been inappropriate late-term abortions performed?  I would bet yes...I don't know for sure, but I'd bet yes.  Do I know how many were appropriate (potentially saving the life of the mother or cutting short the suffering of a fetus doomed to live in pain if birthed or die if birthed)?  I don't know...but I'd bet there were definitely procedures that needed to be performed.  I'd like to see an independent study of these procedures before I made any sweeping decision on the matter.  My hunch is that yes, there were probably questionable ones performed at some point...but that doesn't negate the fact there definitely would have been instances where it was completely appropriate, and that's why I oppose a sweeping, across the board late-term abortion ban.

Would I support tightening oversight of these doctors?  Why not?  How expensive could it be?  If there are just a handful of docs performing these operations, it shouldn't be too expensive.  If there are less than a thousand total of these procedures per year in a nation of 300+ million people, that's not a huge number, and oversight should be fairly affordable.

I hope that makes sense.  btw, I'm still dealing with that hypothetical you gave me earlier...I never thought of my son as a "mother-fucker."      
 

[Smoking Guns]

Lets talk about the economy,  Unemployment (Over 9%), GM we gave them a shit pile of money, and still went bankrupt, Chrysler (they suck too), and weather this stimulus has stimulated anything...  Gas is back on the rise by the way and I am not hearing nearly enough about the Wind Power anymore.  Thoughts? 

[Bodhi]

, Chrysler (they suck too), and weather this stimulus has stimulated anything...  Gas is back on the rise by the way and I am not hearing nearly enough about the Wind Power anymore.  Thoughts? 

Yeah I just bought a brand new car from Chrysler in March, so I did my part to keep them afloat.  2009 Jeep Wrangler...burn that oil baby..

[Axl4Prez2004]

Last I checked, as of...now:

the Dow Jones Industrials are up 10.2% since Obama's inauguration...
the Nasdaq is up 28.4%...
the S&P 500 is up 16.7%...

it sounds to me as if something's getting stimulated.  

[Smoking Guns]

Last I checked, as of...now:

the Dow Jones Industrials are up 10.2% since Obama's inauguration...
the Nasdaq is up 28.4%...
the S&P 500 is up 16.7%...

it sounds to me as if something's getting stimulated.  

The stock market is not a direct reflection of our economy.  Right now its up because the stocks are beleived to be at rock bottom and people are slowly getting back in.  Now, if we have new jobs being created vs. being lost, than I would buy more into it.  The stock market will go up and down no matter what, but I don't look to the market for answers.

[sandman]

this is interesting...

"Obama refused to rule out taxing employer-sponsored health insurance -- an idea he had ridiculed during the presidential campaign. He also indicated that he would consider a requirement that every American have health coverage. During the campaign, he had also dismissed that idea."

source: washington post

[Axl4Prez2004]

Last I checked, as of...now:

the Dow Jones Industrials are up 10.2% since Obama's inauguration...
the Nasdaq is up 28.4%...
the S&P 500 is up 16.7%...

it sounds to me as if something's getting stimulated.  

The stock market is not a direct reflection of our economy.  Right now its up because the stocks are beleived to be at rock bottom and people are slowly getting back in.  Now, if we have new jobs being created vs. being lost, than I would buy more into it.  The stock market will go up and down no matter what, but I don't look to the market for answers.

I just find it amusing that at a time when many yahoos on the far right are screaming our nation is becoming a socialist nation...the very representation of our capitalist nature is surging ahead.  That has to be an indicator of something...perhaps a sign that the government is not going to be launching a takeover of all private businesses?