The Obama Administration thread

[Smoking Guns]

That video clip of Rick from CNBC was pretty darn funny. 

This mess is so complex.  I actually have a family wanting me to build them a $550,000 home here soon, so there are some folks out there still with some cash... We shall see.  I need this presale bad!

[The Dog]

That video clip of Rick from CNBC was pretty darn funny. 

This mess is so complex.  I actually have a family wanting me to build them a $550,000 home here soon, so there are some folks out there still with some cash... We shall see.  I need this presale bad!

it really is.  i'm angry that people that live in their means, like myself, are not being asked to bail out wall st. AND my idiot, greedy neighbors on main st.  Where is MY bailout!??!?!  Where is my reward for being SMART with my money!??!

on the flip side, the banks going under and my neighborhood being foreclosed isn't good for me either.

damned if you do, damned if you don't.  I'd like to see some sort of compromise...

[Layne Staley's Sunglasses]

That video clip of Rick from CNBC was pretty darn funny. 

This mess is so complex.  I actually have a family wanting me to build them a $550,000 home here soon, so there are some folks out there still with some cash... We shall see.  I need this presale bad!

it really is.  i'm angry that people that live in their means, like myself, are not being asked to bail out wall st. AND my idiot, greedy neighbors on main st.  Where is MY bailout!??!?!  Where is my reward for being SMART with my money!??!

on the flip side, the banks going under and my neighborhood being foreclosed isn't good for me either.

damned if you do, damned if you don't.  I'd like to see some sort of compromise...

We should be lucky we don't have to get bailed out by anyone...

[SLCPUNK]

it really is.  i'm angry that people that live in their means, like myself, are not being asked to bail out wall st. AND my idiot, greedy neighbors on main st.  Where is MY bailout!??!?!  Where is my reward for being SMART with my money!??!

I remember reading something the other day along the lines of, "Prepare to live with less from this point on." I realized that essentially nothing had changed (yet) in my life because of this downturn. The reason? I had always lived within my means to begin with. There would be no scaling back for me, because I didn't live on borrowed money like everybody else.

That being said, it does irk me that I have to pick up the tab, and watch my hard work get cut in two because of the greed and lack of regulation overseeing the marketplace.

[Smoking Guns]

Add to that the greedy fucks that send a lot of our jobs to india and china....  The greed from the stock market did a lot of bad things to satisfy the investor.  Pelosi and Reid must go.  Obama is getting held back by them.

[The Dog]

That video clip of Rick from CNBC was pretty darn funny. 

This mess is so complex.  I actually have a family wanting me to build them a $550,000 home here soon, so there are some folks out there still with some cash... We shall see.  I need this presale bad!

it really is.  i'm angry that people that live in their means, like myself, are not being asked to bail out wall st. AND my idiot, greedy neighbors on main st.  Where is MY bailout!??!?!  Where is my reward for being SMART with my money!??!

on the flip side, the banks going under and my neighborhood being foreclosed isn't good for me either.

damned if you do, damned if you don't.  I'd like to see some sort of compromise...

We should be lucky we don't have to get bailed out by anyone...

luck has nothing to do with it.  It's called intelligence.  I was smart enough to live within my means, not get jealous of everyone around me "getting rich" off of real estate investments or buying a house I couldn't afford, not buying a big ass HD tv just b/c my brothers got one, etc... and just plain old socking money away.

the dumbest thing I did was to try to invest money in the stock market.  Small price to pay in the long run I hope.

[The Dog]

Add to that the greedy fucks that send a lot of our jobs to india and china....  The greed from the stock market did a lot of bad things to satisfy the investor.  Pelosi and Reid must go.  Obama is getting held back by them.

American auto industry too.... they haven't done ANYTHING right over the last couple of decades.  They are awesome at losing money though and being completely dry of new, innovative ideas.

Thank god for all of those gas guzzling SUVs! 

[The Dog]

it really is.  i'm angry that people that live in their means, like myself, are not being asked to bail out wall st. AND my idiot, greedy neighbors on main st.  Where is MY bailout!??!?!  Where is my reward for being SMART with my money!??!

That being said, it does irk me that I have to pick up the tab, and watch my hard work get cut in two because of the greed and lack of regulation overseeing the marketplace.

Exactly, you are being penalized for being smart and safe with your money.  I used to get +5% on my savings from online banking.  FIVE FUCKING PERCENT!!!!  Now it's barely above 2%. 

the only good thing is people who would be new home owners if they buy a house now, interest rates are super low and the 8k tax credit sounds sweet.

too bad i lost a few grand in the market or I might be able to buy one of those luxury condos near me that is plummeting in price b/c there are no more buyers...  fuck me. 

[SLCPUNK]

Add to that the greedy fucks that send a lot of our jobs to india and china.... 

That was your Bush tax cuts in action....

[SLCPUNK]

Exactly, you are being penalized for being smart and safe with your money.  I used to get +5% on my savings from online banking.  FIVE FUCKING PERCENT!!!!  Now it's barely above 2%. 

Get a load of these scummy mofos....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29286993

Greedy SCUM!!!

[freedom78]

Add to that the greedy fucks that send a lot of our jobs to india and china....  The greed from the stock market did a lot of bad things to satisfy the investor.  Pelosi and Reid must go.  Obama is getting held back by them.

As the indubitable Roger Waters wrote:

"Money, get away.
Get a good job with good pay and youre okay.
Money, its a gas.
Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash.
New car, caviar, four star daydream,
Think Ill buy me a football team.

Money, get back.
Im all right jack keep your hands off of my stack.
Money, its a hit.
Dont give me that do goody good bullshit.
Im in the high-fidelity first class traveling set
And I think I need a lear jet.

Money, its a crime.
Share it fairly but dont take a slice of my pie.
Money, so they say
Is the root of all evil today.
But if you ask for a raise its no surprise that theyre
Giving none away."


Pelosi and Reid are losers, I agree.  What lame leadership!  They can't inspire me to take a shit. 

That video clip of Rick from CNBC was pretty darn funny. 

This mess is so complex.  I actually have a family wanting me to build them a $550,000 home here soon, so there are some folks out there still with some cash... We shall see.  I need this presale bad!

it really is.  i'm angry that people that live in their means, like myself, are not being asked to bail out wall st. AND my idiot, greedy neighbors on main st.  Where is MY bailout!??!?!  Where is my reward for being SMART with my money!??!

on the flip side, the banks going under and my neighborhood being foreclosed isn't good for me either.

damned if you do, damned if you don't.  I'd like to see some sort of compromise...

We should be lucky we don't have to get bailed out by anyone...

luck has nothing to do with it.  It's called intelligence.  I was smart enough to live within my means, not get jealous of everyone around me "getting rich" off of real estate investments or buying a house I couldn't afford, not buying a big ass HD tv just b/c my brothers got one, etc... and just plain old socking money away.

the dumbest thing I did was to try to invest money in the stock market.  Small price to pay in the long run I hope.

I admire your willpower.  But it's something many don't share and, yes, I think luck is a part of it too.  If you lose your job, that's hardly a mark on your intelligence.  Lots of people lose their jobs because of the bad decision making of the single minded MBAs above them.  Ask a worker in Detroit five (10?  15?) years ago and I bet they could have said the company had it's head up its ass.  But beyond that, there's a willpower component that is a part of it, and it's something people lack.  You have to consider that people are beaten across the head, constantly, with marketing.  And here's the irony...if we all lived within our means, the market would suffer and MORE of us would get fired.  That's the system we've created and which some hail as perfection.  But it's completely fucking stupid.  For the system to survive, we have to (a) live, on average, beyond our means or (b) watch a great mass of people get fired and assume them to not be a part of the market. 

I remember reading something the other day along the lines of, "Prepare to live with less from this point on." I realized that essentially nothing had changed (yet) in my life because of this downturn. The reason? I had always lived within my means to begin with. There would be no scaling back for me, because I didn't live on borrowed money like everybody else.

That being said, it does irk me that I have to pick up the tab, and watch my hard work get cut in two because of the greed and lack of regulation overseeing the marketplace.

Seriously...what is most life in the industrialized world but a mass competition to get your money?  As long as we live by a system where some hoard and benefit at the expense of others, we're doomed to suffer.

I actually have a family wanting me to build them a $550,000 home here soon, so there are some folks out there still with some cash... We shall see.  I need this presale bad!

Hope you get it!   

[SLCPUNK]

Just as I predicted, and even much sooner than I anticipated, Obama is  being blamed for everything. Shameless, spineless, shithead Republicans.

[TheWalkinDude]

I think it's a tad unfair to blame any and all negativity towards Obama on Republicans.  Though can you blame them?  There has been a huge earthquake within the GOP.  You essentially had three distinct groups under its umbrella; Neo-Cons, Religious Right and the Libertarians (or Goldwater Republicans if you prefer).  Bush got elected in 2000 as a Goldwater republican and soon became the Neo-Con personified.  Is it wrong or shady to disagree with the policy being put out by Obama?  I distinctly remember many on this board up in arms over Bush's stimulus last year ( I being one of them) yet these same people seem to have no grievance with Obama's record defecit spending.  There is no easy answer to this, though many economists predict that the economy will rebound by 2010.  Adding this plan into the mess is only going to delay that rebound and continues the exspanisve and in my opinion intrusive nature that was started for all intents and purposes under Bush.  I'm really perplexed as to how Bush can be viewed as such scum when many of Obama's actions this past month have been almost a mirror image.  I know I'm in the minority here, but I advocate letting the auto-manufactures go under, lose the union and legacy monkey off their back and re-emerge ready to compete in the 21st century.  Same goes for Banks that practice unwise lending procedures.  If we're going to redistribute money, it should go to those who are losing their homes - people rather than corporations.  And even then, there should be heavy stipulations.

It seems to me that Americans are begging for a nanny state that they can run to whenever they get their hand caught in the door.  I oppose this notion on general principle, but as Nietzsche wrote, this is the outcome of total collectivism.  I support Obama because he is my President and I won't behave in a manner similar to those who loathed our former President.  But I seem to recall the anti-Bush crowd offering their dissent as patriotic.  Why is dissent against Obama different?

Not here to pick a fight.  Just expressing my opinion.

[SLCPUNK]

I find great amusement in Wall Street getting their bailout and then bellyaching about homeowners getting theirs. Keeping in mind that McCain wanted to do the same thing, although according to him it fell under "Freeze spending."

[Smoking Guns]

I still have faith in Obama.  I have ZERO FAITH in either party though.  Pelosi and Reid are the laughing stock of the nation right now.  And the fact that many of Obama's chosen ones haven't paid their taxes or withdrew their names doesn't look good.  He needs to call Reid and Pelosi into his office and set them straight.

[Axl4Prez2004]

Honest question here...under the Obama tax plan, a family earning $500,000 a year will see an annual tax increase of $11,200.

How on earth are these rich folk going to survive on $488,800 per year?  Smoking Guns, I know back during the pre-election build-up we tried to go item by item to show how a family could get by on $20,000/year.  Care to offer some advice to the poor souls earning 1/2 a mill per year???

 

[freedom78]

Honest question here...under the Obama tax plan, a family earning $500,000 a year will see an annual tax increase of $11,200.

How on earth are these rich folk going to survive on $488,800 per year?  Smoking Guns, I know back during the pre-election build-up we tried to go item by item to show how a family could get by on $20,000/year.  Care to offer some advice to the poor souls earning 1/2 a mill per year???

 

You totally threw me off by starting with "honest question here". 

[D]

Honest question here...under the Obama tax plan, a family earning $500,000 a year will see an annual tax increase of $11,200.

How on earth are these rich folk going to survive on $488,800 per year?  Smoking Guns, I know back during the pre-election build-up we tried to go item by item to show how a family could get by on $20,000/year.  Care to offer some advice to the poor souls earning 1/2 a mill per year???

 

Come on now, that is 11k extra on top of the 150k or so they already are gonna pay right?

[freedom78]

Honest question here...under the Obama tax plan, a family earning $500,000 a year will see an annual tax increase of $11,200.

How on earth are these rich folk going to survive on $488,800 per year?  Smoking Guns, I know back during the pre-election build-up we tried to go item by item to show how a family could get by on $20,000/year.  Care to offer some advice to the poor souls earning 1/2 a mill per year???

 

Come on now, that is 11k extra on top of the 150k or so they already are gonna pay right?

True.  How ever will they live on only 10x the average household income? 

[Smoking Guns]

The spending right now is mindboggling.  For the people that bitch about the cost of the war, I think we may have already exceeded that total cost with these past few bills and the ones coming up.  I do want the war to end, but the war is pennies compared to this.  When the economy does turn around, taxes will likely go up on the middle class too.  So we will earn more money, but pay more taxes, so it will be a wash.