The Obama Administration thread

[SLCPUNK]

One thing Bush & Obama have in common is they spend money like drunken sailors.

This is hilarious^. But I guess I'm not disappointed, since you were making these claims about Obama before he was even elected. Say it until it's true huh? What a group of losers.

Is it always Dems VS GOP in your mind where one side is always right and one always wrong?

Now Obama is faced with fixing YOUR mess

MY mess? ?   What world are you living in? Last I checked I never served any public office.

What a wimp. You voted for Bush twice and cheered his every move. You break it you buy it!

[SLCPUNK]

9/11 itself didn't "fuck shit up" as much as the assenine response by our government to go to war with a nation that had nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing to do with 9/11...and had no, no, no, no no WMD's...and was never, never, never, never an imminent threat to our nation's security.  Pardon my stuttering there.   

W. was handed a surplus.  W. will rank right up there with Jimmy Carter as the worst president since FDR.  They both seem like nice guys...oh well.

How much did the markets fall after 9/11?

How much did they fall under Bush's administration as a whole ? 40 percent?

[jarmo]

I feel it's a bit excessive, especially pertaining to environmental and to a large part, "global warming."

Maybe it's all a myth?

It looks to be a huge scam more and more every day.

Global Warming Scam

I don't know which one is funnier, the fact your source is a domain name that happens to be the Finnish word for piss or the fact that you just choose to believe one side like that.

Some say the evolution theory is a fairy tale too you know.

And for health, $70 million is too much money to try and help people quit smoking. That's absolutely insane.

Would you say it's a waste if it helps save some lives?

For the majority, more money will be wasted than lives saved.

So you have a price on how much a life saved is worth.

What is it?


$70 million spent might mean millions saved in reduced costs for taking care of people who started smoking/couldn't quit.




/jarmo

[SLCPUNK]

Also, how much do we pay as a whole in the long run for those who continue to smoke? Ultimately, on many different levels, society will pick up the tab, and you can bet your bottom dollar that it will be much more than 70 million.

The irony that one would protest money spent on saving human life is interesting indeed. Of course a few billion here and a few billion there to decimate brown people in some shithole in the Middle East is perfectly acceptable.

[western_chaos]

So many people at my job smoke...and I have to wonder why. They are destroying our air, and their own lifes.

They fully know that they are destroying themselves but yet they continue doing it. Makes no sense to me whatsoever.

[Drew]

So you have a price on how much a life saved is worth.

What is it?


$70 million spent might mean millions saved in reduced costs for taking care of people who started smoking/couldn't quit.




/jarmo

Might is the key word. Just as you might could save people and keep them from smoking by raising the price of cigarettes. That's a big might I just don't see happening. There is no price you can put on a life. But what if someone wants to spend 800 trillion on trying to get someone to stop smoking? It just grows more and more outrageous and ridiculous.

[SLCPUNK]

Commentary: A history lesson for Rush Limbaugh


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- On Thursday, Rush Limbaugh, the moral and intellectual leader and most influential person in the Republican Party in the United States, wrote in the august op-ed pages of The Wall Street Journal, the acknowledged epicenter of right-wing thought, that President Obama should adopt a bipartisan solution to address the president's economic stimulus plan -- or as Limbaugh refers to it, "porkulus."

Limbaugh proposes that because the Democrats got roughly 54 percent of the votes to the Republicans' 46 percent, the stimulus package should be allocated along his definition of ideological lines, i.e. 54 percent towards infrastructure improvement and 46 percent toward tax breaks for Limbaugh and his friends.

He writes, "Fifty-three percent of American voters voted for Barack Obama; 46% voted for John McCain, and 1% voted for wackos. Give that 1% to President Obama. Let's say the vote was 54% to 46%.

"As a way to bring the country together and at the same time determine the most effective way to deal with recessions, under the Obama-Limbaugh Stimulus Plan of 2009: 54% of the $900 billion -- $486 billion -- will be spent on infrastructure and pork as defined by Mr. Obama and the Democrats; 46% -- $414 billion -- will be directed toward tax cuts, as determined by me."

And he is serious. However much one may disagree with the current "daddy" of all Republicans (Beg to differ? See Rep. Phil Gingrey, who apologized last week for doubting Rush), you have to admire El Rushbo's principled stance and his well-known consistent ideology.

Why surely it seems like just yesterday that Al Gore won the national popular vote in 2000 (and arguably won the popular vote in Florida too).

Limbaugh must have called for the incoming Bush administration to allocate ideas based on the proportion of election returns. I'm sure President Bush and the Republicans in Congress graciously accepted their 49.5 percent share of everything. (Note: We would be much better off right now had this actually happened.)

With 50 percent of the federal government during President Bush's term, Democrats might have reduced the deficit (a truly Clintonista idea). Wall Street might have been more heavily regulated and K Street's lobbyists might not have been running the Capitol. Democrats might have invested money into infrastructure improvements so that bridges didn't collapse or entire cities flood.

We wouldn't have spent $350 million per day in Iraq. Heck, had Democrats been able to control 50 percent of the government from 2000 to 2004, we wouldn't have even gone into Iraq in the first place. There might have been more spending on education and a fully funded No Child Left Behind Act.

It is a remarkable time in American politics when a respected ideologue like Limbaugh can take to a hyperpartisan place like the pages of The Wall Street Journal, and deliver such a consistent message. We Democrats should congratulate Rush on the purity, intellectual integrity, and consistency of his positions.

[polluxlm]

Getting off fossil fuels is all well and good, but not if it's just used as an excuse to pocket some extra tax dollars and introduce even more tyranny to our lives.

Tyranny....in what shape or form?

In the shape of more taxation and regulation of human interaction. The ultimate goal being to run the earth like a global corporation, using constant fear as a catalyst.

[SLCPUNK]

In the shape of more taxation and regulation of human interaction. The ultimate goal being to run the earth like a global corporation, using constant fear as a catalyst.

Sounds like fear has already done a number on your brain...painted you right into the corner.

[jarmo]

Might is the key word. Just as you might could save people and keep them from smoking by raising the price of cigarettes. That's a big might I just don't see happening. There is no price you can put on a life. But what if someone wants to spend 800 trillion on trying to get someone to stop smoking? It just grows more and more outrageous and ridiculous.

A lot of decisions are based on what might happen.


If you wanna talk about wasting money, how about that war...



/jarmo

[Drew]

A lot of decisions are based on what might happen.


If you wanna talk about wasting money, how about that war...



/jarmo

Talk all you want. You won't get an argument from me.

[SLCPUNK]

A lot of decisions are based on what might happen.


If you wanna talk about wasting money, how about that war...



/jarmo

Talk all you want. You won't get an argument from me.

Won't argue about what?

[Drew]

Won't argue about what?

The war and all the money that's been spent.

[SLCPUNK]

Won't argue about what?

The war and all the money that's been spent.

Well you can't hide from the irony of it.

Can you really advocate the trillions spent on the Iraq fiasco and then have the nerve to turn around and bellyache about this?

[Drew]

Well you can't hide from the irony of it.

Can you really advocate the trillions spent on the Iraq fiasco and then have the nerve to turn around and bellyache about this?

Read what I wrote! Where did I advocate it? Please show me! I said you won't get an argument from me.

[SLCPUNK]

Well you can't hide from the irony of it.

Can you really advocate the trillions spent on the Iraq fiasco and then have the nerve to turn around and bellyache about this?

Read what I wrote! Where did I advocate it? Please show me! I said you won't get an argument from me.

Was that another Drew who was in favor of Iraq all these years?

[Drew]

Was that another Drew who was in favor of Iraq all these years?

First, it was not all those years as you say. I was for it at first just like most of the American people and politicians were for it. But slowly I had a change of heart. Just as I was for the "global warming" idea until I had a change of heart on that as well. I started to see the sam in both scenarios. Do I always make the right choices and decisions? No. But I believe I have the right to have a change of heart.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

One thing Bush & Obama have in common is they spend money like drunken sailors.

This is hilarious^. But I guess I'm not disappointed, since you were making these claims about Obama before he was even elected. Say it until it's true huh? What a group of losers.

Is it always Dems VS GOP in your mind where one side is always right and one always wrong?

Now Obama is faced with fixing YOUR mess

MY mess? ?   What world are you living in? Last I checked I never served any public office.

What a wimp. You voted for Bush twice and cheered his every move. You break it you buy it!

I think you need another thread called  " Looking back at the Bush Years"  since you can't get past it.

[The Dog]

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Obama wins, Steelers win (and Rooney thanks Obama).  F'ing amazing.

[SLCPUNK]

One thing Bush & Obama have in common is they spend money like drunken sailors.

This is hilarious^. But I guess I'm not disappointed, since you were making these claims about Obama before he was even elected. Say it until it's true huh? What a group of losers.

Is it always Dems VS GOP in your mind where one side is always right and one always wrong?

Now Obama is faced with fixing YOUR mess

MY mess? ?   What world are you living in? Last I checked I never served any public office.

What a wimp. You voted for Bush twice and cheered his every move. You break it you buy it!

I think you need another thread called  " Looking back at the Bush Years"  since you can't get past it.

I think you need a good long look into a mirror.