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« Reply #100 on: January 13, 2009, 08:02:50 AM »

On Biden:

First up...I'm not sure he needs to be a "Yes" man and always agree with Obama.  In fact, I think his role should be as more of a foil.  That being said...maybe the best place to disagree is NOT in front of a mic, but I suspect we'll see that from Biden, who is notorious for that kind of thing. 

That said...I'm not sure the "I think it was just a mistake" line was exactly what it's portrayed in that article.  Anyone have a link to the actual sound byte.  I'm not sure he meant "It was a mistake" as in "I disagree" or "It was a mistake" as in "I think it was a procedural oversight, rather than a premeditated slight/end around of the Senate".  Maybe in context, or with inflection, it would be easier to tell.

As for his "itinerary comments"...C'mon.  Everyone with a brain knew where he was going, generally. I think the "not releasing details" was more in line with preserving the specifics of exactly where and when he'd be in each country.  If you didn't know he was going to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan...you were likely frontally lobotomized at some point in your life.
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« Reply #101 on: January 13, 2009, 12:13:19 PM »

I'm having cake with Jmack on inauguration day, who would like to join us? I'd come pick you up if you need a ride, but be warned my car drifts to the left...

I'm in.

You need directions up to CT?  I just did the drive down to Florida about a month ago (and then back again), so they're still pretty fresh in my mind!

Tough drive. As I get older it wears me out. I drove to Miami and back and felt like somebody beat me...wtf?

Maybe I should let Jmack do the drivin'.
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« Reply #102 on: January 13, 2009, 04:16:57 PM »

I'm very concerned what Obama will do to the military.  I was reading an article put out by the military times  that said over half of our Soldiers in uniform don't have confidence in Obama.  More distressing is that over half of them oppose the 16 month withdrawl.  I know it's a tough situation and there are strong feelings on both sides, but I just hope we don't have a repeat of the Clinton administration and downsize the military dramatically.  I'll give Obama my support until he gives me a reason not to.
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« Reply #103 on: January 13, 2009, 04:35:29 PM »

Something is going to have to give, or this country is going to turn into a Banana republic soon (Bush's wet dream.)
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« Reply #104 on: January 13, 2009, 05:03:00 PM »

I've been in Iraq for several months now and I've seen first hand the differences the Coalition forces have made.  I just hate to see this all be for nothing.  I fully support the idea of the Iraqis running their own country.  But they're not able to even manage fuel supplies properly.  It's always a power grab with them and any asset they have is used as a barganing chip amongst each other.  I consider myself a Libertarian and definitely agree we need a change in direction from the course put forth by Bush and the Republicans the pasy 8 years.  However, I'm not sure if the stimulus package, bailouts and increase in social programs advocated by Obama is the right course at this time.  I'm just one voice out of 300 million, but I wish people would put aside partisan BS and look at the issue objectively.  Reality doesn't have a liberal or conservative bias.
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« Reply #105 on: January 13, 2009, 11:21:33 PM »

Not sure if you are aware of this, but the card carrying socialist who pushed for bailouts, nationalized banks, social programs (gotta be rich to qualify for these though), and stimulus checks galore was George W. Bush.

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« Reply #106 on: January 13, 2009, 11:32:27 PM »

Yes, Bush's plan has failed so badly. You can't lend money to companies/people and expect that to work over the long run. It is a short term strategy. Does nothing for the long term.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #107 on: January 13, 2009, 11:45:25 PM »

I think that was mentioned in the first dollar handed out.  I don't think Flagg is who posted.  I think he posts somewhere else....BTW I'll drive last month but who'll pay for the gas?  I want last months prices.  Just looking out for myself here.
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« Reply #108 on: January 14, 2009, 12:00:18 AM »

I think that was mentioned in the first dollar handed out.  I don't think Flagg is who posted.  I think he posts somewhere else....BTW I'll drive last month but who'll pay for the gas?  I want last months prices.  Just looking out for myself here.

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« Reply #109 on: January 14, 2009, 11:14:37 AM »

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Obama Should Act Like He Won
As we anxiously await the debut of the Obama administration, we hear more and more about the incoming president's "post-partisan" instincts. He has filled his cabinet with relics of the centrist Clinton years. He has engaged the evangelical pastor Rick Warren to give the invocation at his inauguration. And according to Politico, he wants 80 Senate votes for his stimulus plan -- a goal that would mean winning a majority among Republicans as well as Democrats.

Maybe these will turn out to be wise moves. Maybe they won't.

Audacity they ain't, though. There is no branch of American political expression more trite, more smug, more hollow than centrism.

After all, as Mark Leibovich pointed out in Sunday's New York Times, transcending faction has been the filler-talk of inaugural addresses going back at least to Zachary Taylor's in 1849. When you hear it today -- bemoaning as it always does "the extremes of both parties" or "the divisive politics of the past" -- it is virtually a foolproof indicator that you are in the presence of a well-funded, much-televised Beltway hack.

Centrism is something of a cult here in Washington, D.C., and a more specious superstition you never saw. Its adherents pretend to worship at the altar of the great American middle, but in fact they stick closely to a very particular view of events regardless of what the public says it wants.

And through it all, centrism bills itself as the most transgressive sort of exercise imaginable. Its partisans are "New Democrats," "Radical Centrists," clear-eyed believers in a "Third Way." The red-hot tepids, we might call them -- the jellybeans of steel.

The reason centrism finds an enthusiastic audience in Washington, I think, is because it appeals naturally to the Beltway journalistic mindset, with its professional prohibition against coming down solidly on one side or the other of any question. Splitting the difference is a way of life in this cynical town. To hear politicians insist that it is also the way of the statesman, I suspect, gives journalists a secret thrill.

Yet what the Beltway centrist characteristically longs for is not so much to transcend politics but to close off debate on the grounds that he -- and the vast silent middle for which he stands -- knows beyond question what is to be done.

Here, for example, is centrist Washington Post columnist Sebastian Mallaby, writing last October on the debate then raging over the role of deregulation in precipitating the financial crisis: "So blaming deregulation for the financial mess is misguided. But it is dangerous, too, because one of the big challenges for the next president will be to defend markets against the inevitable backlash that follows this crisis."

Got that? Criticizing deregulation is not merely wrong but "dangerous," virtually impermissible, since it problematizes the politics that everyone knows president 44 will ultimately embrace.

As this should remind us, the real-world function of Beltway centrism has not been to wage high-minded war against "both extremes" but to fight specifically against the economic and foreign policies of liberalism. Centrism's institutional triumphs have been won mainly if not entirely within the Democratic Party. Its greatest exponent, President Bill Clinton, persistently used his own movement as a foil in his great game of triangulation.

And centrism's achievements? Well, there's Nafta, which proved Democrats could stand up to labor. There's the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act. There's the Iraq war resolution, approved by numerous Democrats in brave defiance of their party's left. Triumphs all.

Histories of conservatism's rise, on the other hand, often emphasize that movement's adherence to principle regardless of changing public attitudes. Conservatives pressed laissez-faire through good times and bad, soldiering on even in years when suggesting that America was a "center-right nation" would have made one an instant laughingstock.

And what happens when a strong-minded movement encounters a politician who acts as though the truth always lies halfway between his own followers and the other side? The dolorous annals of Clinton suggest an answer, in particular the chapters on Government Shutdown and Impeachment.

That's why it is so obviously preferable to be part of the movement that doesn't compromise easily than to depend on the one that has developed a cult of the almighty center. Even a conservative as ham-handed as former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay seems to understand this.

As he recounted in his 2007 memoirs, Republicans under his leadership learned "to start every policy initiative from as far to the political right as we could." The effect was to "move the center farther to the right," drawing the triangulating Clinton along with it.

President-elect Obama can learn something from Mr. DeLay's confession: Centrism is a chump's game. Democrats have massive majorities these days not because they waffle hither and yon but because their historic principles have been vindicated by events. This is their moment. Let the other side do the triangulating.
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« Reply #110 on: January 14, 2009, 11:27:16 PM »

I think that was mentioned in the first dollar handed out.  I don't think Flagg is who posted.  I think he posts somewhere else....BTW I'll drive last month but who'll pay for the gas?  I want last months prices.  Just looking out for myself here.

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« Reply #111 on: January 19, 2009, 07:33:33 PM »

Bon Voyage ASSHOLE!
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« Reply #112 on: January 19, 2009, 11:05:34 PM »

Your so dead after school!   Angry
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« Reply #113 on: January 20, 2009, 02:06:37 AM »

Try not to choke on your Amish pretzel tomorrow Hanzel.
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« Reply #114 on: January 20, 2009, 02:59:53 AM »

Ahhh what a great night - the last night that fucktard of a president gets to sleep in the white house.   See you Wubya, don't let the door hit your sorry ass on the way out.

oh and thanks for fucking up the world.  douchebag


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« Reply #115 on: January 20, 2009, 09:13:53 AM »

Obama officially becomes President today..... What will some of you you ever talk about tomorrow once Bush is gone?
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« Reply #116 on: January 20, 2009, 10:59:46 AM »

Obama officially becomes President today..... What will some of you you ever talk about tomorrow once Bush is gone?

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« Reply #117 on: January 20, 2009, 11:30:17 AM »

The crowds around the capital are just amazing.  Been listening to (and watching, on an off, when I get 20 seconds) the coverage ALL morning.

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« Reply #118 on: January 20, 2009, 11:36:59 AM »

So it begins. Been looking forward to it.
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« Reply #119 on: January 20, 2009, 12:59:21 PM »

The amount of people there was insane, watched it this morning on CBS then on the Hulu feed when I was at school. It's amazing how many people were there.

About the 'ticket holders' -- were they just random people that the Obama administration gave out to their electoral college voters, friends, family -- that kind of thing?
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