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« on: November 27, 2008, 01:46:20 AM »

What songs from the album to we know of for sure?

Just thinking about this...

Isn't Oklahoma a song that was in the mix?

What about that song "Checkmate" isn't that a song... just curious as to how all these years only certain song titles leaked out.

I would like to know what else is in the chinese stew
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2008, 01:52:25 AM »

I guess its hard to call anything an outtake - especially with so many studio sessions and supposedly 2 albums yet to be culled from them. I mean, wasn't Catcher originally supposed to be on one of the later ones?
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2008, 01:52:41 AM »

Silkworms.

I've heard people referring to Oh My God as an outtake.
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2008, 01:58:40 AM »

Seven , Thyme , General , No Love Remains, Atlas Shrugged, Zodiac
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2008, 02:01:40 AM »

Seven , Thyme , General , No Love Remains, Atlas Shrugged, Zodiac


Well The General is gonna be on the last album right ?


other songs who know's I guess we will find out in a couple of years, Until then I will enjoy Chinese Democracy and some Touring !!!
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2008, 02:09:14 AM »

Didn't If the World get renamed from Atlas Shrugged?
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2008, 02:11:04 AM »

Not sure .
Seven , Thyme , General , No Love Remains, Atlas Shrugged, Zodiac


Well The General is gonna be on the last album right ?


other songs who know's I guess we will find out in a couple of years, Until then I will enjoy Chinese Democracy and some Touring !!!

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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2008, 02:18:00 AM »

God knows which were working titles of the current songs as well.. Time will tell Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2008, 02:29:50 AM »

I can't wait for a studio version of silkworms after hearing it at rio.
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2008, 04:44:03 AM »

Didn't If the World get renamed from Atlas Shrugged?

Don't think so..... is there an interview where this is stated?
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2008, 01:40:06 PM »

Didn't If the World get renamed from Atlas Shrugged?

Don't think so..... is there an interview where this is stated?

i sure hope it isn't, if the world's a fantastic song, but i want atlas shrugged to be fucking mental metal hihi it probably wont though
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2008, 01:42:05 PM »

What songs from the album to we know of for sure?

Just thinking about this...

Isn't Oklahoma a song that was in the mix?

What about that song "Checkmate" isn't that a song... just curious as to how all these years only certain song titles leaked out.

I would like to know what else is in the chinese stew


I'm positive I read something about Oklahoma becoming something else. Maybe even TWAT. I can't remember what tho.
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2008, 01:46:52 PM »

I think Oklahoma is Riad....despite what people claim. Josh Freese is credited as writing the drum arrangement so the song has to come from 1999 or before. I could get in to why the lyrics fit with what Axl described to Rolling Stone about Oklahoma but it would take too much effort.

"[Oklahoma] was inspired by a court date with ex-wife Erin Everly. 'I was sitting in my litigation with my ex-wife, and it was the day after the bombing, [April 20th, 1995]' Rose remembers with a wince. 'We had a break, and I'm sitting with my attorneys with a sort of smile on my face, more like a nervous thing - it was like, 'Forgive me, people, I'm having trouble taking this seriously.' It's just ironic that we're sitting there and this person is spewing all kinds of things and 168 people just got killed. And this person I'm sitting there with, she don't care. Obliterating me is their goal.'" (Axl, Rolling Stone, 2000)

"As the far as the songs go: 'Oklahoma' was pretty much written by the time they got to the studio. Axl wrote that with inspiration from the Oklahoma City bombing (more as a tribute to those who died, if I'm not mistaken)." (Dave Dominguez, Sp1at, 02/07/05)

Song after song combines the edgy hard rock force and pop smarts of vintage Guns N Roses with surprisingly modern and ambitious music textures. In addition to the album's almost grungy title track, tentative song titles include 'Catcher in the Rye,' 'I.R.S,' 'The Blues',  'Oklahoma' - heard tonight only as an instrumental,  and 'TWAT,' which he says stands for 'there was a time.'" (Rolling Stone, 01/00)

 

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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2008, 01:58:44 PM »

Who knows how many of these were coded titles so that if a name leaked out of what someone like Beltrami was working on, no one would know what track exactly.  Madagascar and TWAT I could see as being the songs "Seven" and "Thyme," due to the use of samples from Se7en and of course Time = Thyme.

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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2008, 02:04:28 PM »

Checkmate...never heard of it?

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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2008, 02:08:16 PM »

The "Scraped' lyrics fit what "Atlas Shrugged" would be but U can never tell as the album has a certain theme and all the lyrics kind of fit together from song to song.
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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2008, 02:31:55 PM »

I can't wait for a studio version of silkworms after hearing it at rio.

Me too. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2008, 02:32:45 PM »

I can't wait for a studio version of silkworms after hearing it at rio.

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« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2008, 02:42:55 PM »

Yeah, I was not a fan of Silkworms but after hearing what they did on Chinese Democracy, I have all the faith in the world that Axl & crew will nail it come release time.

The lyrics for Riad certainly fit for a court battle.  I wouldn't be surprised if Oklahoma was the beginnings of Riad.
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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2008, 06:28:26 PM »

Ahhh, speculation.  I found myself just days after getting my hands on CD thinking 'This is great - I want more, whats next?'...felt bad, or guilty for being so greedy, like some kind of dope fiend...but now I can see I am not the only one.  I guess its just one of the evils of human nature...never satisfied!  hihi

I would love to know every little detail of production of CD, and unfortunately I think we will have to wait for Axl's autobiography, unless he breaks form and gives a crazy-in-depth interview.
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