Dr Pepper bitchslapped

[leatherebel]

This is not a lawsuit. It's an open letter to Dr Pepper.

For those who might be easily confused, Axl is actually on our side in this.


There's not really any reason to start pointing fingers at Axl or the band.




/jarmo

Isn't it a threat for a lawsuit if Dr Pepper doesn't comply with the list of demands?


Axl stuck up for the fans and every American and some are unhappy with this?

[RancidPunx]

 Only on here would there be a person who agrees with Axl's lawyer that the release of Chinese Democracy over a freakin can of pop (that was never promised to be given out on the release date anyway!) was ruined for some people due to this. You show me one true GNR fan who had the release date spoiled for them in any way over this. I'll wait.

[ShotgunBlues1978]

Only on here would there be a person who agrees with Axl's lawyer that the release of Chinese Democracy over a freakin can of pop (that was never promised to be given out on the release date anyway!) was ruined for some people due to this. You show me one true GNR fan who had the release date spoiled for them in any way over this. I'll wait.

You don't have much understanding of business or marketing do you?

It has nothing to do with an individual person's day being ruined by not receiving a free can of Dr. Pepper

[RancidPunx]

Only on here would there be a person who agrees with Axl's lawyer that the release of Chinese Democracy over a freakin can of pop (that was never promised to be given out on the release date anyway!) was ruined for some people due to this. You show me one true GNR fan who had the release date spoiled for them in any way over this. I'll wait.

You don't have much understanding of business or marketing do you?

It has nothing to do with an individual person's day being ruined by not receiving a free can of Dr. Pepper

Perhaps you can't read Son. From the letter by Axl's lawyer. Fans can't sue when Axl doesn't show up for a scheduled performance but GNR can when a pop company doesn't meet the demand of a free giveaway?

?The redemption scheme your company clumsily implemented for this offer was an unmitigated disaster which defrauded consumers and, in the eyes of vocal fans, ?ruined? the day of Chinese Democracy?s release?.

How the fuck did this ruin the release for anyone?

[leatherebel]

Only on here would there be a person who agrees with Axl's lawyer that the release of Chinese Democracy over a freakin can of pop (that was never promised to be given out on the release date anyway!) was ruined for some people due to this. You show me one true GNR fan who had the release date spoiled for them in any way over this. I'll wait.

My day was sorta runied the day before the release. As soon as I found out what the conditions are to reclaim your "free soda" (which I admit I read kinda late), I expressed my disappointment in lengths here:
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=54585.msg1133896#msg1133896

Notice, this was still on 22nd my time (pacific), hours before the Dr Pepper server crashed and the 1 soda per household new condition came about, and days before GN'R threatened Dr Pepper with a law suit. So, for you to somehow suggest that fans jumped on Axl's bandwaggon once his lawyer's press release was issued and without thinking in any rational way, is an insult to those fans.

[D]

Im not upset at Axl over this, I am just a little baffled as to why this is the first thing we've heard since CD is out.

[Jim Bob]

i'm sorry but his dr pepper shit seems so insignificant in comparison to the fact that we just got the new GnR album.

Axl is just doing what he thinks is best in taking up for the fans.   Of course the same usual suspects will talk shit as Axl can do nothing right in their eyes, no matter what he does.    Fuck, no wonder he barely says a word.

[RancidPunx]

Only on here would there be a person who agrees with Axl's lawyer that the release of Chinese Democracy over a freakin can of pop (that was never promised to be given out on the release date anyway!) was ruined for some people due to this. You show me one true GNR fan who had the release date spoiled for them in any way over this. I'll wait.

My day was sorta runied the day before the release. As soon as I found out what the conditions are to reclaim your "free soda" (which I admit I read kinda late), I expressed my disappointment in lengths here:
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=54585.msg1133896#msg1133896

Notice, this was still on 22nd my time (pacific), hours before the Dr Pepper server crashed and the 1 soda per household new condition came about, and days before GN'R threatened Dr Pepper with a law suit. So, for you to somehow suggest that fans jumped on Axl's bandwaggon once his lawyer's press release was issued and without thinking in any rational way, is an insult to those fans.

It's a fucking can of pop. Go purchase your own if you want one that bad. Holy fuck, we wait ten years for an album and you have the release date disrupted over a free can of pop? Step into the real world man. If they had said free cars, then people could complain but it is a can of pop. Again, the average American struggling to make ends meet is not thinking or losing sleep over a free can of pop.

Why don't I sue Axl for not showing up for performances? That costs a lot more in terms of money, expenses and time than a fucking pop can.

[leatherebel]

Only on here would there be a person who agrees with Axl's lawyer that the release of Chinese Democracy over a freakin can of pop (that was never promised to be given out on the release date anyway!) was ruined for some people due to this. You show me one true GNR fan who had the release date spoiled for them in any way over this. I'll wait.

My day was sorta runied the day before the release. As soon as I found out what the conditions are to reclaim your "free soda" (which I admit I read kinda late), I expressed my disappointment in lengths here:
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=54585.msg1133896#msg1133896

Notice, this was still on 22nd my time (pacific), hours before the Dr Pepper server crashed and the 1 soda per household new condition came about, and days before GN'R threatened Dr Pepper with a law suit. So, for you to somehow suggest that fans jumped on Axl's bandwaggon once his lawyer's press release was issued and without thinking in any rational way, is an insult to those fans.

It's a fucking can of pop. Go purchase your own if you want one that bad. Holy fuck, we wait ten years for an album and you have the release date disrupted over a free can of pop? Step into the real world man. If they had said free cars, then people could complain but it is a can of pop. Again, the average American struggling to make ends meet is not thinking or losing sleep over a free can of pop.

Why don't I sue Axl for not showing up for performances? That costs a lot more in terms of money, expenses and time than a fucking pop can.

It's not just a can of pop! Apart from taking away from my excitement for the CD release, I also felt cheated to have purchased Dr Pepper soda worth $120 that same day (Nov 22nd) thinking that they sincerely support and celebrate the CD release and will make honest efforts to reward EVERY American for it and thus contribute to the promotion and celebrations.

[Jim Bob]

Why don't I sue Axl for not showing up for performances? That costs a lot more in terms of money, expenses and time than a fucking pop can.

These kinds of statements don't make you look very intelligent.   

yes, lets sue the lead singer of our favorite band because 

try not to be a clown. 

[ShotgunBlues1978]

Only on here would there be a person who agrees with Axl's lawyer that the release of Chinese Democracy over a freakin can of pop (that was never promised to be given out on the release date anyway!) was ruined for some people due to this. You show me one true GNR fan who had the release date spoiled for them in any way over this. I'll wait.

You don't have much understanding of business or marketing do you?

It has nothing to do with an individual person's day being ruined by not receiving a free can of Dr. Pepper

Perhaps you can't read Son. From the letter by Axl's lawyer. Fans can't sue when Axl doesn't show up for a scheduled performance but GNR can when a pop company doesn't meet the demand of a free giveaway?

?The redemption scheme your company clumsily implemented for this offer was an unmitigated disaster which defrauded consumers and, in the eyes of vocal fans, ?ruined? the day of Chinese Democracy?s release?.

  at you not being able to read between the lines and see what this is really about.  Let me break it down, hopefully you can follow

-Dr. Pepper used Axl/Gnr's name to drum up free publicity, with a promise they clearly didn't think they would have to fulfill
-Dr. Pepper's botched attempt to "fulfill" the promise made Axl and GnR look bad because they were associated with it, even though they were never involved and Dr. Pepper never obtained their permission

You are not allowed to use someone else's likeness or image to promote your product without their permission.  That said, GnR had no problem with the promotion in and of itself.  But Dr. Pepper did a terrible job here and people associate the promotion with GnR whether they were actually involved or not. 

That is what this is about.  The botched promotion reflected poorly on GnR's name and image even though they never even obtained GnR's permission to use their name in the promotion.  They used Guns' and Axl's names and attached them to this promise.  They did not deliver on the promise.  So GnR is saying that they should apologize and do a better job of fulfilling the promise, or deal with the consequences of attaching their name to what turned out to be a crappy, half-assed promotion that was terribly executed.  That's what this is really about.
 
If you can't read between the lines of lawyer-speak then I'm sorry

[loretian]

Why don't I sue Axl for not showing up for performances? That costs a lot more in terms of money, expenses and time than a fucking pop can.

Probably because that would be stupid, just like your comparison of someone not being able to show up for a concert to a false marketing campaign.  Do you really need it spelt out for you?  Or do you just like talking trash (cause I sure do)?

[RancidPunx]

Only on here would there be a person who agrees with Axl's lawyer that the release of Chinese Democracy over a freakin can of pop (that was never promised to be given out on the release date anyway!) was ruined for some people due to this. You show me one true GNR fan who had the release date spoiled for them in any way over this. I'll wait.

You don't have much understanding of business or marketing do you?

It has nothing to do with an individual person's day being ruined by not receiving a free can of Dr. Pepper

Perhaps you can't read Son. From the letter by Axl's lawyer. Fans can't sue when Axl doesn't show up for a scheduled performance but GNR can when a pop company doesn't meet the demand of a free giveaway?

?The redemption scheme your company clumsily implemented for this offer was an unmitigated disaster which defrauded consumers and, in the eyes of vocal fans, ?ruined? the day of Chinese Democracy?s release?.

  at you not being able to read between the lines and see what this is really about.  Let me break it down, hopefully you can follow

-Dr. Pepper used Axl/Gnr's name to drum up free publicity, with a promise they clearly didn't think they would have to fulfill
-Dr. Pepper's botched attempt to "fulfill" the promise made Axl and GnR look bad because they were associated with it, even though they were never involved and Dr. Pepper never obtained their permission

You are not allowed to use someone else's likeness or image to promote your product without their permission.  That said, GnR had no problem with the promotion in and of itself.  But Dr. Pepper did a terrible job here and people associate the promotion with GnR whether they were actually involved or not. 

That is what this is about.  The botched promotion reflected poorly on GnR's name and image even though they never even obtained GnR's permission to use their name in the promotion.  They used Guns' and Axl's names and attached them to this promise.  They did not deliver on the promise.  So GnR is saying that they should apologize and do a better job of fulfilling the promise, or deal with the consequences of attaching their name to what turned out to be a crappy, half-assed promotion that was terribly executed.  That's what this is really about.
 
If you can't read between the lines of lawyer-speak then I'm sorry

Where did Dr.Pepper say that Axl/GNR are in charge of giving out the free pop? Did they use  the GNR logo somewhere during this promotion?

[leatherebel]

Why don't I sue Axl for not showing up for performances? That costs a lot more in terms of money, expenses and time than a fucking pop can.

These kinds of statements don't make you look very intelligent.   

yes, lets sue the lead singer of our favorite band because 

try not to be a clown. 

You can't sue artists for canceling shows due to legit reasons since such reasons can always be found and evidence presented. It is then up to the fans to believe what they want to believe and feel how they want to feel. And that's what separates the true fans from the psycho ones.
You always get refunded when shows are cancelled. Did Dr Pepper refund EVERY American for not delivering on a promise?

[ShotgunBlues1978]

Only on here would there be a person who agrees with Axl's lawyer that the release of Chinese Democracy over a freakin can of pop (that was never promised to be given out on the release date anyway!) was ruined for some people due to this. You show me one true GNR fan who had the release date spoiled for them in any way over this. I'll wait.

You don't have much understanding of business or marketing do you?

It has nothing to do with an individual person's day being ruined by not receiving a free can of Dr. Pepper

Perhaps you can't read Son. From the letter by Axl's lawyer. Fans can't sue when Axl doesn't show up for a scheduled performance but GNR can when a pop company doesn't meet the demand of a free giveaway?

?The redemption scheme your company clumsily implemented for this offer was an unmitigated disaster which defrauded consumers and, in the eyes of vocal fans, ?ruined? the day of Chinese Democracy?s release?.

  at you not being able to read between the lines and see what this is really about.  Let me break it down, hopefully you can follow

-Dr. Pepper used Axl/Gnr's name to drum up free publicity, with a promise they clearly didn't think they would have to fulfill
-Dr. Pepper's botched attempt to "fulfill" the promise made Axl and GnR look bad because they were associated with it, even though they were never involved and Dr. Pepper never obtained their permission

You are not allowed to use someone else's likeness or image to promote your product without their permission.  That said, GnR had no problem with the promotion in and of itself.  But Dr. Pepper did a terrible job here and people associate the promotion with GnR whether they were actually involved or not. 

That is what this is about.  The botched promotion reflected poorly on GnR's name and image even though they never even obtained GnR's permission to use their name in the promotion.  They used Guns' and Axl's names and attached them to this promise.  They did not deliver on the promise.  So GnR is saying that they should apologize and do a better job of fulfilling the promise, or deal with the consequences of attaching their name to what turned out to be a crappy, half-assed promotion that was terribly executed.  That's what this is really about.
 
If you can't read between the lines of lawyer-speak then I'm sorry

Where did Dr.Pepper say that Axl/GNR are in charge of giving out the free pop? Did they use  the GNR logo somewhere during this promotion?

They used the names Axl Rose, Guns N' Roses, and Chinese Democracy without permission to promote their product.  That in and of itself is illegal

[jarmo]

Fans can't sue when Axl doesn't show up for a scheduled performance but GNR can when a pop company doesn't meet the demand of a free giveaway?

Maybe you're having problems understanding what this is about?

Nobody is suing. It's an open letter to the Dr Pepper people.

Do you get that?


Or maybe you're just not wanting to get it because it's another reason for you to attack Axl. If that's the case..... I'll be more than happy to show you the fucking door.




/jarmo

[RancidPunx]

Fans can't sue when Axl doesn't show up for a scheduled performance but GNR can when a pop company doesn't meet the demand of a free giveaway?

Maybe you're having problems understanding what this is about?

Nobody is suing. It's an open letter to the Dr Pepper people.

Do you get that?


Or maybe you're just not wanting to get it because it's another reason for you to attack Axl. If that's the case..... I'll be more than happy to show you the fucking door.




/jarmo

No thanks I was banned once. My question was in the letter it says that Chinese Democracy's release was ruined for some people due to this and I was trying to get a sense of how a free can of pop could ruin a day most of us have waited ten years for.

[gunns1]

Fans can't sue when Axl doesn't show up for a scheduled performance but GNR can when a pop company doesn't meet the demand of a free giveaway?

Maybe you're having problems understanding what this is about?

Nobody is suing. It's an open letter to the Dr Pepper people.

Do you get that?


Or maybe you're just not wanting to get it because it's another reason for you to attack Axl. If that's the case..... I'll be more than happy to show you the fucking door.




/jarmo

No thanks I was banned once. My question was in the letter it says that Chinese Democracy's release was ruined for some people due to this and I was trying to get a sense of how a free can of pop could ruin a day most of us have waited ten years for.

when someone doesn't deliver on the promise that they spent months promoting
and basically dropping the gnr name every instance they can (gnr also used the dr pepper name a few times aswell)
then thats when lawyers get involved.

[jarmo]

No thanks I was banned once. My question was in the letter it says that Chinese Democracy's release was ruined for some people due to this and I was trying to get a sense of how a free can of pop could ruin a day most of us have waited ten years for.

Well, let me try to explain it to you.

It's called a promise.

They promised all Americans (except two) a free soda and then what did they do?


It doesn't say it ruined the day, the word is in quotes. It's a way of explaining.


Would you be surprised if people felt a bit like "oh, great, how typical of them to fuck up?  "?

They used the GN'R name and then when GN'R delivered..... Well you saw it.



/jarmo

[Alan]

No thanks I was banned once. My question was in the letter it says that Chinese Democracy's release was ruined for some people due to this and I was trying to get a sense of how a free can of pop could ruin a day most of us have waited ten years for.

Well, let me try to explain it to you.

It's called a promise.

They promised all Americans (except two) a free soda and then what did they do?


It doesn't say it ruined the day, the word is in quotes. It's a way of explaining.


Would you be surprised if people felt a bit like "oh, great, how typical of them to fuck up?  "?

They used the GN'R name and then when GN'R delivered..... Well you saw it.



/jarmo

didn't they exclude that guy that leaked the songs as well?

i guess thats beside the point.

but fair play to axl/gnr for doing this. you make a promise using someone elses brand along with your own if you fuck up then people will be looking at both brands not just the one who made the promise.