Chinese Democracy (Album) - Charting

[mr. moustache]

The reason I say you're blind to music is you think nothing even comes close to CD so there's no way someone could prefer somethign different. Records I like more:

portishead - third - Best comeback of 2008, better than their earlier albums if I do say so myself. The tension on silence is better than anything on cd. The perfect sounds of hunter and the rip are also better.

Beck - Modern Guilt - really an awesome collection of beck tunes, he's taken his last 3 records and taken what's best about them put in to one sweet sweet album.

MGMT - Oracular Spectacular - It's like the 60's psychedelic for the new millennium, really nothing else like it right now

why? - alopecia - I know this won't go over well here, this is a classic rock forum really. But I like it much much more than cd. Absolutly nothing like it

Keep in mind these are opinions, I'm just proving a point that you shouldnt be ripping up prez because he thinks its an average album.

[Jim Bob]

nothing released in the last 10 years touches Chinese Democracy IMO.

[jarmo]

Funny that you should mention it, but most of the critics and AC/DC fans seem to think that Black Ice actually is much much better than Stiff Upper Lip. So maybe quality of the album counts? Like you said shitloads of ppl heard Chinese D on myspace, so I think that was good marketing. Why didn't those folks hurry to go get their copies of the album?

Quality?

You think the millions who bought it actually listened to more than just the single on the radio? If they even heard that.

Since when does sales prove something has better quality?

Britney Spears is better than most rock albums?



Why didn't those people buy it? Because they could get it for free.

I wouldn't be surprised if AC/DC has a bigger audience in the older groups of music fans. They don't necessarily download, they just go down to Walmart and get the album.


I know you like to point out that it's not GN'R blah blah blah. It's your "proof".





/jarmo

[acompleteunknown]

How did a topic about the album's charting turn into an argument about ChiDem's artistic quality?

The album's sold 350,000 copies in 3 weeks.  I asked a friend who works in ad sales for radio his thoughts on an album that sells 350,000 in 3 weeks.  He said...that's an extremely respectable number.  Most albums takes weeks even months to hit their strides.  He said the expectations for the album were too high...people were expecting 1991 numbers in a deflated market.  And that was unrealistic.

Here's an interesting comaprison of Black Ice vs. ChiDem's exclusive deals.

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/12/18/why-black-ice-beat-chinese-democracy-the-tale-of-wal-mart-vs-best-buy/

[mr. moustache]

"There is a silver lining, however, as Rose?s epic can expect a huge bump in strip club spins after two Chinese Democracy songs were sent on a music sampler sent to over 2,500 exotic dancing spots. "

That's fucking fresh! hah

EDIT:
What do you guys think? If the world for sure, and sorry maybe? You'd think prostitute lol but that doesn't sound fitting

[Jim Bob]

How did a topic about the album's charting turn into an argument about ChiDem's artistic quality?

Cuz theres haters who are trying to say the quality of the album sucks.

Hopefully next time I go to a strip club, I can get a lap dance to "Shacklers Revenge" or "Better"

[Buddha_Master]

The reason I say you're blind to music is you think nothing even comes close to CD so there's no way someone could prefer somethign different. Records I like more:

portishead - third - Best comeback of 2008, better than their earlier albums if I do say so myself. The tension on silence is better than anything on cd. The perfect sounds of hunter and the rip are also better.

Beck - Modern Guilt - really an awesome collection of beck tunes, he's taken his last 3 records and taken what's best about them put in to one sweet sweet album.

MGMT - Oracular Spectacular - It's like the 60's psychedelic for the new millennium, really nothing else like it right now

why? - alopecia - I know this won't go over well here, this is a classic rock forum really. But I like it much much more than cd. Absolutly nothing like it

Keep in mind these are opinions, I'm just proving a point that you shouldnt be ripping up prez because he thinks its an average album.

See, this shows what little you know. I like MGMT. That is indeed a great album. I played the fuck out of it earlier in the summer. Look man. I am sampling some of why? - alopecia as I type this. Pretty cool actually. See this is partly why I asked. I am always open to new things. Well, maybe not gay sex, not that there is anything wrong with that. I used to like Beck a lot. The whole Xenu thing is a turn off though. I will check this out as well but, I haven't really dug his last few and the Information got old for me quick. portishead - third. That is trippy as shit. I like it a lot.

Anyway, I respect you man. I respect you a lot more now then I did, and I sure as shit respect you more then the other dude who threw things out and backed his comments up.

... but saying that, yea there's no way someone could prefer these over Chinese motherfucking Democracy. Fucking crazy talk  

[acompleteunknown]

I think Best Buy has a lot to do with the sales being sluggish. 

Linkin Park released an exclusive album with Best Buy 2 weeks ago.  The album entered the charts at #96.  Granted the album is B-Sides and rare tracks...but this is a band who just last year released an album to 600,000 first week sales.  Now 18 months later their new album sells barely 20,000 copies...

[jazjme]

GNR # 19 on Rolling Stone Top 100 singles of 2008
   
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/ ... the_year/5

19    "Better"
  BY GUNS N' ROSES    

Is it a love song? Or a career confessional? No matter: A welter of power chords and Axl Rose's banshee howl render such questions moot.

[Skunk]

Take it easy man, the guy is allowed to differ. AIt's a matter of taste.

that's why we'd love to know what album he thinks is better than this. and stunk what's average about the guitars?

That's not what i meant. I meant just the guitars alone on this album would make me say it's better than an average good album.


Which is kind of my point. There are guitar parts on this album that some other bands wouldn't be able to replicate if they wanted to. Nevermind when you consider all other factors from orchestras to synths to vocals to production - it's just all of high quality. It's one thing to say subjectively that you prefer one type of music or another, or to say that one album has hit a higher artistic note.... but to try and say something objective and to say that "musically" this album wasn't at the very top this year is a big leap.

[Gunzen]

Funny that you should mention it, but most of the critics and AC/DC fans seem to think that Black Ice actually is much much better than Stiff Upper Lip. So maybe quality of the album counts? Like you said shitloads of ppl heard Chinese D on myspace, so I think that was good marketing. Why didn't those folks hurry to go get their copies of the album?

Quality?

You think the millions who bought it actually listened to more than just the single on the radio? If they even heard that.

Since when does sales prove something has better quality?

Britney Spears is better than most rock albums?



Why didn't those people buy it? Because they could get it for free.

I wouldn't be surprised if AC/DC has a bigger audience in the older groups of music fans. They don't necessarily download, they just go down to Walmart and get the album.


I know you like to point out that it's not GN'R blah blah blah. It's your "proof".





/jarmo

Funny that you should mention it, but most of the critics and AC/DC fans seem to think that Black Ice actually is much much better than Stiff Upper Lip

that is like saying the Raiders are better than the Lions

What makes it so good?  Is it the incredibly deep lyrical content  the new guitar sounds,  .

Is is a carbon copy of the last ten  Ac /Dc Cd's that have been released, and this time they just promoted it more and there is just less rock n roll to choose from.  Rock music is dying, and Ac/Dc and Mettalica will keep selling Cd's as lond as the keep Reloading their music.  And good for them, if it works, dont fix it.


But I am bored of that shit, and that is what makes Cd so damn good, it is just "different" and fresh.

[King Axl]

Thanks to my electricity being out for a fucking week, I missed out on the Q&A with Axl.

My question would have been, will "This I Love" be the next single after "Better" ?

I'm tellin' ya, if that song gets regular radio airplay, sales of Chinese Democracy will rebound huge.

[JuicySwoos]

The reason I say you're blind to music is you think nothing even comes close to CD so there's no way someone could prefer somethign different. Records I like more:

portishead - third - Best comeback of 2008, better than their earlier albums if I do say so myself. The tension on silence is better than anything on cd. The perfect sounds of hunter and the rip are also better.

Beck - Modern Guilt - really an awesome collection of beck tunes, he's taken his last 3 records and taken what's best about them put in to one sweet sweet album.

MGMT - Oracular Spectacular - It's like the 60's psychedelic for the new millennium, really nothing else like it right now

why? - alopecia - I know this won't go over well here, this is a classic rock forum really. But I like it much much more than cd. Absolutly nothing like it

Keep in mind these are opinions, I'm just proving a point that you shouldnt be ripping up prez because he thinks its an average album.

I have both the Beck and Portishead records....both nice records...I dig em both, especially the beck record....they are also GREAT background music records...but CD tops them both by far in actual sit down and listen catergory.  Yes my opinion.....but i dont go  go to the Beck forums and say how much better of an album is Chinese Democracy.

[demo23nz]

Man, I never thought I would see the day where GnR fans would seem almost pissed off, or offended, that AC/DC were doing well...

[Alfie Bones]

Man, I never thought I would see the day where GnR fans would seem almost pissed off, or offended, that AC/DC were doing well...

It's not that they're doing well. All power to them! It's that their album sucks a big one.

Axl's not immune from criticism. I hated Oh My God, for example, but Chinese is a great album, while Black Ice is not.

[greekmule]

I can't understand how people expected CD to do better than ACDC or Metallica. Both bands have much bigger fanbases than gnr.

CD is miles better though quality wise, and that's the only thing that matters 

[Duffio]

I can't understand how people expected CD to do better than ACDC or Metallica. Both bands have much bigger fanbases than gnr.

CD is miles better though quality wise, and that's the only thing that matters 

all three have huge fanbases, and share fanbases..
the problem is gnr is been off the radar (unless it's something negative) for far too long.

[Gunner80]

CD is a masterwork that will never be understood by the masses. 

Axl's vocals on this are fucking sublime. 

He has a range on this cd that is off the charts incredible.

[otgm]

Funny that you should mention it, but most of the critics and AC/DC fans seem to think that Black Ice actually is much much better than Stiff Upper Lip. So maybe quality of the album counts? Like you said shitloads of ppl heard Chinese D on myspace, so I think that was good marketing. Why didn't those folks hurry to go get their copies of the album?

Quality?

You think the millions who bought it actually listened to more than just the single on the radio? If they even heard that.

Since when does sales prove something has better quality?

Britney Spears is better than most rock albums?



Why didn't those people buy it? Because they could get it for free.

I wouldn't be surprised if AC/DC has a bigger audience in the older groups of music fans. They don't necessarily download, they just go down to Walmart and get the album.


I know you like to point out that it's not GN'R blah blah blah. It's your "proof".


/jarmo

Of course the quality doesn't have anything to do with the sales now that CD is not doing so well. If it was selling shitloads it would naturally just prove the tremendous quality of the album.

[jarmo]

Of course the quality doesn't have anything to do with the sales now that CD is not doing so well. If it was selling shitloads it would naturally just prove the tremendous quality of the album.

How original.

And when it didn't sell millions in its first week, that's your "proof" that nobody cares.

If it had sold all that, you would've just said it's because of the name and not about the quality.

So either way, you "win".


Since you're a fan of Izzy, I guess his albums must really suck since nobody buys them?

 




/jarmo