Chinese Democracy (Album) - Charting

[Axl4Prez2004]

There is a huge difference in promoting your album and selling out.

Selling out is doing credit card commercials and Tv commercials and putting your songs in TV commercials.


I just think people are using a lot of excuses to justify the lack of promotion.

Is it selling out putting your songs in movies?

Is it selling out putting your songs in a video game?


see with me, I don't think so, but everyone is going to have their own definition. I say ignore those people and do what u have to do to make your album the most successful it can be.

No signed artist doesn't want to sell albums.

I can think of one who might not care as much as you think he does. 

[D]

I am just saying, no one wants to release an album and have it flop.

[Axl4Prez2004]

Honestly, do you really think Axl Rose gives 2 shits if more 10 year olds buy Britney Spears or American Idol bullshit albums?  I don't.
 

[faldor]

Honestly, do you really think Axl Rose gives 2 shits if more 10 year olds buy Britney Spears or American Idol bullshit albums?  I don't.
 

The musical landscape has changed GREATLY over the years.  Hip hop, pop, rap all reign supreme.  Yes, rock can still sell, evidenced by Metallica and ACDC.  They both sold great their debut weeks, BUT they had much less competition.  Plus the economy is far worse now than it was even 2 months ago, which is evidenced by the dropoff in sales for not only GNR, but Kanye West, and The Killers here in week 2.

[Cocktail Swagger]

Honestly, do you really think Axl Rose gives 2 shits if more 10 year olds buy Britney Spears or American Idol bullshit albums?  I don't.
 

Yeah, I do. Atleast that's what we were lead to believe. Wasn't Axl the one who said the original guys quit because they weren't willing to take it to the next level with him?  He wouldn't have spent 10+ years and 15 million on an album if he didn't want it to be successful.  I don't know if it would have been a hit if Axl would have actually promoted it, but instead now all we're left with is excuses why this album is selling so bad.

I mean if you don't care that Axl didn't promote anything and it was complete silence, good for you, but hopefully you don't have a problem with the album you like so much being considered a huge flop.

[Axl4Prez2004]

Honestly, do you really think Axl Rose gives 2 shits if more 10 year olds buy Britney Spears or American Idol bullshit albums?  I don't.
 

Yeah, I do. Atleast that's what we were lead to believe. Wasn't Axl the one who said the original guys quit because they weren't willing to take it to the next level with him?

Again, you think "the next level" meant selling more albums???     seriously?

  He wouldn't have spent 10+ years and 15 million on an album if he didn't want it to be successful.  I don't know if it would have been a hit if Axl would have actually promoted it, but instead now all we're left with is excuses why this album is selling so bad.

I mean if you don't care that Axl didn't promote anything and it was complete silence, good for you, but hopefully you don't have a problem with the album you like so much being considered a huge flop.

I could give 2 shits what other people think.  All I know is that I have a beautiful work of art in album and cd form. 
Axl is a rock star...not a pop star.
 

[Layne Staley's Sunglasses]

At this point, I hope Axl never does any promo.  I can just see all the haters' heads exploding.

Far fewer douchebags to argue with.  These are the same douchebags I stand in line at GN'R shows with and have to listen to conspiracy theories and how bad they have it, being GN'R fans.

[Ali]

Honestly, do you really think Axl Rose gives 2 shits if more 10 year olds buy Britney Spears or American Idol bullshit albums?  I don't.
 

Yeah, I do. Atleast that's what we were lead to believe. Wasn't Axl the one who said the original guys quit because they weren't willing to take it to the next level with him?

Again, you think "the next level" meant selling more albums???     seriously?

  He wouldn't have spent 10+ years and 15 million on an album if he didn't want it to be successful.  I don't know if it would have been a hit if Axl would have actually promoted it, but instead now all we're left with is excuses why this album is selling so bad.

I mean if you don't care that Axl didn't promote anything and it was complete silence, good for you, but hopefully you don't have a problem with the album you like so much being considered a huge flop.

I could give 2 shits what other people think.  All I know is that I have a beautiful work of art in album and cd form. 
Axl is a rock star...not a pop star.
 

I ALWAYS thought by next level, Axl meant creatively, as in the next level in their artistic and sonic evolution.  Never did I think he meant in terms of sales.

Ali

[adman2374]

You can spin it any way you want but 255,000 albums (with a Sunday release and Black Friday) is going to look like a huge bomb in the eyes of the media and many fans. What caused this? Was it Best Buy, Axl/GNR's lack of interviews/appearances or a combination of the two?

Or a very bad lead single?

Couldn't agree more.  A lot of people judged the entire album on the title track and its the weakest song on the entire fucking album.  Now "Better" is getting less attention and the next single will get even less.  I don't like the way this is headed......

"Better" is getting increased airplay so far.  It's building.  Give it some time.  Most songs take time to move up the charts.

Ali

So, soothsayer, did the release of "better" help them move up the charts? i havent seen the numbers, so im asking you since you know everything.

According to ShotgunBlues, Better isn't getting the same push as CD.

I think that's more of a logical argument than anything.  Of course the lead single will get a bigger push.  My point is that according to the airplay charts, "Better" is getting increased airplays.  Metallica's "Cyanide" is slowly building in airplay, too.  That's all I was saying.

Ali

Hey Ali, what happened to the charting now that "Better" is out? You told us all that it would be a huge help. You're a genius!!!

[Layne Staley's Sunglasses]

You can spin it any way you want but 255,000 albums (with a Sunday release and Black Friday) is going to look like a huge bomb in the eyes of the media and many fans. What caused this? Was it Best Buy, Axl/GNR's lack of interviews/appearances or a combination of the two?

Or a very bad lead single?

Couldn't agree more.  A lot of people judged the entire album on the title track and its the weakest song on the entire fucking album.  Now "Better" is getting less attention and the next single will get even less.  I don't like the way this is headed......

"Better" is getting increased airplay so far.  It's building.  Give it some time.  Most songs take time to move up the charts.

Ali

So, soothsayer, did the release of "better" help them move up the charts? i havent seen the numbers, so im asking you since you know everything.

According to ShotgunBlues, Better isn't getting the same push as CD.

I think that's more of a logical argument than anything.  Of course the lead single will get a bigger push.  My point is that according to the airplay charts, "Better" is getting increased airplays.  Metallica's "Cyanide" is slowly building in airplay, too.  That's all I was saying.

Ali

Hey Ali, what happened to the charting now that "Better" is out? You told us all that it would be a huge help. You're a genius!!!

WOW!  You're so cool for wasting your time here and wanting this thing to fail!

I'm naming my children after you.

[Gunzen]

You can spin it any way you want but 255,000 albums (with a Sunday release and Black Friday) is going to look like a huge bomb in the eyes of the media and many fans. What caused this? Was it Best Buy, Axl/GNR's lack of interviews/appearances or a combination of the two?

Or a very bad lead single?

Couldn't agree more.  A lot of people judged the entire album on the title track and its the weakest song on the entire fucking album.  Now "Better" is getting less attention and the next single will get even less.  I don't like the way this is headed......

"Better" is getting increased airplay so far.  It's building.  Give it some time.  Most songs take time to move up the charts.

Ali

So, soothsayer, did the release of "better" help them move up the charts? i havent seen the numbers, so im asking you since you know everything.

According to ShotgunBlues, Better isn't getting the same push as CD.

I think that's more of a logical argument than anything.  Of course the lead single will get a bigger push.  My point is that according to the airplay charts, "Better" is getting increased airplays.  Metallica's "Cyanide" is slowly building in airplay, too.  That's all I was saying.

Ali

Hey Ali, what happened to the charting now that "Better" is out? You told us all that it would be a huge help. You're a genius!!!

dude, why would you take pleasure in GNR failing to make headway with a single?  To put down a fellow fan who was just hoping that the CD would do well?  Is that why?  Dude, your a dick.  Why in the hell would you come to a GNR forum and hate on a fan who was trying to be positive about GNR?  

Worst kind of people.  No matter how much you hate on GNR, they are not gonna go back to that Giant Condom Bucketshit guy.  Just give it up man, and get on board or go join the other three people on the Buckethead forum (if there is one?)

You should be on MYGNR.com, those guys are seriously sore asses there.

[D]

So when did things change? back in the late 80's early 90's, Axl had no problems giving interviews and making the most epic, greatest videos ever.

so when did he change the way he does business?

Once Again. Sales do not reflect the quality of the album, but sales do mean a lot. They may determine the future of Guns N Roses.

Maybe not, but it is possible if CD doesn't pick up, that Axl may just never release anymore music.

Would u guys still be happy with that?

Are you happy having critics and everyone else being able to go around and really talk shit now and talk about how Axl did this and that etc etc.

I personally don't want to hear that, but all the people who hated on Axl and were negative before are going to have tons of new ammunition now to write in their one sided bullshit articles.

But hey, we have the album and its great, so who cares what people think right? who cares if Axl tours or releases anymore music. The hell with the future and the success of our favorite band right?

Don't give me this shit how GNR aren't a mainstream successful band. Jesus Christ they are one of the highest selling groups in US History. They aren't The Velvet Underground or someone who has great music that didn't sell.

GNR have always sold records, Axl didn't turn into a coffee shop, indy rocker.

[badobsession_r21]

#1 in Poland, Finland,
#2 in Germany and Norway (from #5) ,
#3 in Austria,
#4 in Brazil, Sweden, Hungary and Italy,
#5 in Japan and France,
#6 in Australia and Denmark(from #7),
#7 in New Zealand,
#8 in Spain

[Layne Staley's Sunglasses]

So when did things change? back in the late 80's early 90's, Axl had no problems giving interviews and making the most epic, greatest videos ever.

so when did he change the way he does business?

I don't know man, lemme call him up and ask him.

People have a right to change their minds.  Like you have changed your mind on this subject many times in this thread.

Would u guys still be happy with that?

Are you happy having critics and everyone else being able to go around and really talk shit now and talk about how Axl did this and that etc etc.

I personally don't want to hear that, but all the people who hated on Axl and were negative before are going to have tons of new ammunition now to write in their one sided bullshit articles.

But hey, we have the album and its great, so who cares what people think right? who cares if Axl tours or releases anymore music. The hell with the future and the success of our favorite band right?

Don't give me this shit how GNR aren't a mainstream successful band. Jesus Christ they are one of the highest selling groups in US History. They aren't The Velvet Underground or someone who has great music that didn't sell.

GNR have always sold records, Axl didn't turn into a coffee shop, indy rocker.

Man, personally...I'm tired of hearing the same thing from you regarding this subject.

[killingvector]

Here's the thing.  Axl hasn't exactly been the everyday blogger, master promoter his whole life.  Never has been, never will be.  We know this, yet a lot of people seem to expect him to change.  It hasn't happened so people are upset.  "Fans" will continue to be disappointed and get upset because they're setting their OWN expectations that aren't being met.  It's been going on for YEARS and it's not about to stop.

Exactly.


People claim to love Axl and GN'R, yet they want them to change to fit their own needs.

Weill if they did, would Axl and GN'R still be the same thing they loved in the first place?

At some point the person becomes just a product that's only meant to be sold. A sell out.

Somebody who'll do anything for some publicity and increased sales.


I guess that's some peoples' ultimate dream. But then they'd be the first ones yelling "sell out!".....




/jarmo

Ummm, promoting one's album is not selling out. It is actually good business and ensures future funding by the corporations who seed money to artists for further development.

[Jim Bob]

Yeah, its funny how some expected the release of the album to turn Axl into a completely different person than he is.

I say just enjoy the music, be relieved we finally have CD, and look forward to what may come in the future.

[GypsySoul]

..... but it is possible if CD doesn't pick up, that Axl may just never release anymore music.

Would u guys still be happy with that?

Just like we told you yesterday when you posted the same exact shit ......

Yup ....... because that would be Axl's choice and some of us would respect his decision.

but, obviously, you and others will never be happy no matter what he does so just keep repeating yourself and then post in the Admin section why your off-topic posts repeating yourself over and over keep getting deleted.

[killingvector]

Yeah, its funny how some expected the release of the album to turn Axl into a completely different person than he is.

I say just enjoy the music, be relieved we finally have CD, and look forward to what may come in the future.

Axl has done pressers in the past. He did so during the 02 and 06 tours. If he was available at that level for this release, I don't think there would be the same criticism as there is now for the silence.

[D]

If you don't like reading them, stop! skip over them.

I am trying to see things other people's way and yeah, he may promote the album and all will be good but as of today, right now at this minute, The CD hasn't been released and promoted the way it should've been.

It doesn't take away from the album or my experience etc but this album could've  done a lot better so far.


Oh so u guys know what kind of person Axl is?

That's funny that u guys know him but we don't.

Since when was axl ever media shy? When he had Kurt loder in the limo at the jail to give an "exclusive" interview?  When he would share his personal life to everyone on stage during rants? When he gave countless interviews and made countless videos and appearances?

So now, u guys know him and we don't.

I love that.

so what are u guys gonna say when he does go on tour and start giving interviews?

I love all the 180's on this forum. When he starts talking and doing this and that, u guys will have some answer also. *OH I KNEW IT ALL ALONG*  no u didn't, cause now u are saying something else.

Quit making excuses for the horrible promotion and just admit that so far, it hasn't been handled right.

[GypsySoul]

Axl has done pressers in the past. He did so during the 02 and 06 tours. If he was available at that level for this release, I don't think there would be the same criticism as there is now for the silence.

During the '02 and '06 tours, he did like what? ...3 maybe 4 interviews total??  You make it sound like he constantly called every mag interviewer and t.v. n' radio station and website on the planet.