Chinese Democracy single - free with Best Buy pre-order & release Nov 9th

[Limulus]

everyone has a point here. in the end its up to the fans to choose what they will support and what not. and there are people who dont blindly follow all the actions of their fave bands, and f.e. every fan community has people who simply are against these inferior quality downloads on itunes and would support the physical releases (mostly) only. the main problem in here is that the industry hasnt upgraded their "download system"......offer little more expensive quality FLACs for example (as Metallica did with their live shows, aswell next to cheaper mp3 releases) and i'd be all over it. but after all the waiting its not too hard to wait 2 more weeks, then people could buy the album and make even superior quality mp3s and all - if they'd need to.
again i find it some hard to believe there have been printed many radio promo cds but no cd singles -and i'm hell sure they had TIME to do that properly- but only download singles to be released from the first single of the title track of one of the most talked/speculated/delayed/.... albums ever.

[jarmo]

again i find it some hard to believe there have been printed many radio promo cds but no cd singles

I thought the majority of the stations didn't get promotional singles but that it was done digitally?




In addition, regarding the "blind following", I'm guessing artists tend to play concerts in markets where they have fans?

So, and I'm just guessing here, since iTunes is a big music retailer I'm assuming those sales do count as well.

If nobody buys the music in your market because you're waiting for a better format, who knows what will happen eventually.


I know you will buy the album, I'm not talking about that. I'm just talking about the general idea of not buying.

I know for a fact that there are artists who only release material digitally. Either iTunes only EPs or full albums that you can only get online.

And if people boycott that, there's no sales to talk about.

You know?


It all goes hand in hand.

Who's gonna make big videos if nobody buys the singles?

Who's gonna go the extra mile to make a great package when everybody steals the music?

Etc etc.





/jarmo

[russtcb]

again i find it some hard to believe there have been printed many radio promo cds but no cd singles

I thought the majority of the stations didn't get promotional singles but that it was done digitally?

/jarmo

You're right. There are a few physical copies out there but most stations were given the single through download.

[jarmo]

iTunes charts

Country : General / Rock
USA: #23 / #2

It's climbed:

USA: #20 / #2
Canada: #10 / #2

Greece: #17 / #5
UK: #42 / #3

USA: #18 / #2
Canada: #6 / #1

Denmark: #18 / #2
France: #14 / #1
Greece: #6 / #1
UK: #32 / #2





/jarmo

[Limulus]

well, the radio promo cds are on ebay and supposely for real. if most radio stations get the cd single online but a few got them as physical release....well, lets get "some" fans a physical cd single aswell 

i see the point with supporting, no doubt. and as big as itunes is today and how compatible and spreaded all the mp3 stuff might be and having to accept there is no physical cd single release, i absolutely dont get it why not offering at least cd quality too? its not an upload/download/internet connection problem worldwide anymore like it was 10 years ago or so! i simply dont accept to buy inferior quality (and that "only" compared to cd standard which allready is from beginning of the 80s!!) online in 2008, exspecially when the same song version(s) are out on an higher quality and physical cd/vinyl release ~2 weeks later. but if industry only offers the itunes/mp3 stuff and no higher quality....then -as big as a support for my fave bands is- i dont like to jump for them. in this case my band support will "only" be on the album releases not this cd single.

its as easy as that: if to order online let the buyers choose what to get, like:

itunes/mp3 = 1 $
flac download = 2,50-3,00$

thats not even hard to handle, is it??

[WARose]

http://www.amazon.de/Chinese-Democracy-Trendsingle-Guns-Roses/dp/B001JS9666/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1226418182&sr=8-2

i preordered it and got an email today saying that the single is hard to obtain for amazon.....  and it says available in 1-3 weeks, instead of it being available on the 11th, as it said when i preordered it a week ago.

 

[jarmo]

its as easy as that: if to order online let the buyers choose what to get, like:

itunes/mp3 = 1 $
flac download = 2,50-3,00$

thats not even hard to handle, is it??

iTunes has DRM.....

Mp3 is the most widely used digital audio format. I guess it's the standard.

Kinda like VHS was the standard even though other formats existed.


I'm sure you can come up with more reasons why it's popular among music listeners (and record companies).



Anyway, as a I said. This is a one track single. Digital release makes sense.

We'll get the physical album in less than two weeks.... Until then, this will do. At least for me.

I'm just excited to be able to buy a new track and listen to it! 




I also assuming CD single sales have gone down. Maybe there's no market for them?






/jarmo

[wells]

iTunes Store Top 10 Rock Songs: #1 in 10 out of 22 countries  / in top 10 in another 9 countries

iTunes Store Top 10 Songs: #1 in 1 out of 22 countries (go Finland) / in top 10 in another  8 countries
 

v. ..

[Limulus]

there is still a huge market for an physical album at least. single cds might not make much money anymore, still would have been nice to get one from cd and such a big band name. about the itunes DRM....not totally sure but didnt the major labels drop that because the customers didnt like supporting that?
if its the only-download-way to go: why not offering mp3 + flac for different prices? easy to do/nothing to loose!
i remember i was fearing and posting about this issue here months ago when we've talked about releasing ideas of cd. oh well, 2 more weeks only 

[SPUNKY]

with all these pre-order lark is there any chance of you getting the album early?? I live in the UK??


 

[BodyCount]

there is still a huge market for an physical album at least. single cds might not make much money anymore, still would have been nice to get one from cd and such a big band name. about the itunes DRM....not totally sure but didnt the major labels drop that because the customers didnt like supporting that?
if its the only-download-way to go: why not offering mp3 + flac for different prices? easy to do/nothing to loose!
i remember i was fearing and posting about this issue here months ago when we've talked about releasing ideas of cd. oh well, 2 more weeks only 

You can have the physical single if you wish to have one... ask your local store and they 'll order one for you..

[Black Betty]

Nickelback? Are you serious U.S.? Aren't they country music? How are they on the rock charts? I guess Rock has really changed...to country rock.

[14 Yrs Of Silence]

Apologies if this has been answered, but does itunes make material available at midnight of the day of release?

[Ali]

Apologies if this has been answered, but does itunes make material available at midnight of the day of release?

In my experience, yes.

Ali

[GNRfan2008]

CD is now #1 on the U.S. Rock chart for iTunes. It is #17 on their overall music chart.

[jarmo]

CD is now #1 on the U.S. Rock chart for iTunes. It is #17 on their overall music chart.

So in addition to being the #1 Rock Song in the USA, it's also been or still is the #1 Rock song in Canada, Finland, Greece, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain and Sweden.

http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10rocksongs.html


Finland seems to be the only country where it's been (still is) the #1 on the general chart so far.



/jarmo

[The Catcher]

I'm sorry for stating the obvious here, but I really, really don't see a problem. In fact, it's mind-boggling that you do. After 17 years without new material, you are now about to get a full album of it in 11 days. That is "physical" material of the single, with 13 other songs to go along with it. How the hell is that a problem? I don't even use iTunes, but the thought of not having the single physically in my hand, when I'm about to get my hands on a whole album of material, seriously hasn't struck me even once. Especially when I can listen to the new single on the official website in the meantime.

[axl2]

Number 2 now in the US. Still very good.

[ShotgunBlues1978]

Up to #14 on the US general iTunes charts, #1 rock song

[Limulus]

I'm sorry for stating the obvious here, but I really, really don't see a problem. In fact, it's mind-boggling that you do. After 17 years without new material, you are now about to get a full album of it in 11 days. That is "physical" material of the single, with 13 other songs to go along with it. How the hell is that a problem? I don't even use iTunes, but the thought of not having the single physically in my hand, when I'm about to get my hands on a whole album of material, seriously hasn't struck me even once. Especially when I can listen to the new single on the official website in the meantime.

some collectors would have liked to support the gnr camp in buying the physical cd single only and also before the album release - but the industry doesnt offer that one or some kind of uncompressed quality audio for download. so its just waiting ~2more weeks, yep.