The 2008/2009 NBA season thread

[D]

U guys take it like I am dissing Malone but I think he is number 2 now.

Duncan was a machine in the playoffs. beating Kobe/Shaq era Lakers is greater than any series Malone won.

Duncan also won his first championship with Robinson on his last legs, Sean Elliot and Avery Johnson.......

Come on now, that is impressive.

[Layne Staley's Sunglasses]

The NBA is WEAK nowadays compared to the 90's.

Duncan didn't do shit until the NBA went downhill.  If we took a time machine to the 90's and we took a mature, championship-caliber Duncan with us, he still wouldn't be able to do anything.

He's had Parker, Ginobili, Robinson, HORRY, Finley, Robinson, Elliott, Avery...

Malone had Stockton and that cheek fetishist Jeff Hornacek.

And Greg Ostertag, future Hall-of-Famer. 

[Bodhi]

U guys take it like I am dissing Malone but I think he is number 2 now.

Duncan was a machine in the playoffs. beating Kobe/Shaq era Lakers is greater than any series Malone won.

Duncan also won his first championship with Robinson on his last legs, Sean Elliot and Avery Johnson.......

Come on now, that is impressive.

Dude, Duncan got pissed on by Kobe and Shaq how may times in the playoffs?  Didnt Duncans team get swept out by an average of like 30 points a game 1 season?  David Robinson on his last legs?? He won an MVP 3 years earlier!  You mentioned the Jazz run in 97, they had to beat 3 hall off famers in the conference finals alone Barkley Drexler and Olajuwon..Im supposed to be impressed that Duncan won his first NBA title in a strike shortened season against an 8th seeded Knicks team who had the ever so powerful Herb Williams/Chris Dudley combo to go against Duncan and Robinson? ok

bottom line is Karl Malones stat line is better that Duncans,..He was also an all NBA defensive player several times in his career. Duncan is a better rebounder...but it is because he is a fuckin center, hes 6'11!..I actually asked about 7 or 8 guys today at the gym who was better and everyone of them said Malone hands down...he played in a much tougher era..Duncan beat cream puffs for NBA titles, that is when he wasnt getting slapped around by the Lakers practically every year...also a few guys mentioned that Duncan is a center so you shouldnt even compare the 2..which I kind of agree with ..

Championships mean shit...Jason Williams won a title as the PG for the Miami Heat, is he better than Stockton now?

[Bodhi]

CAREER SEASON AVERAGES

Karl Malone

Year   Team          G   GS   MPG   FG%   3P%   FT%   OFF   DEF   RPG   APG   SPG   BPG   TO   PF   PPG
1985-86    Utah   81   76   30.6   .496   .000   .481   2.1   6.7   8.9   2.9   1.3   0.5   3.44   3.60   14.9
1986-87    Utah   82   82   34.8   .512   .000   .598   3.4   7.0   10.4   1.9   1.3   0.7   2.89   3.90   21.7
1987-88    Utah   82   82   39.0   .520   .000   .700   3.4   8.6   12.0   2.4   1.4   0.6   3.96   3.60   27.7
1988-89    Utah   80   80   39.1   .519   .313   .766   3.2   7.4   10.7   2.7   1.8   0.9   3.56   3.60   29.1
1989-90    Utah   82   82   38.1   .562   .372   .762   2.8   8.3   11.1   2.8   1.5   0.6   3.71   3.20   31.0
1990-91    Utah   82   82   40.3   .527   .286   .770   2.9   8.9   11.8   3.3   1.1   1.0   2.98   3.30   29.0
1991-92    Utah   81   81   37.7   .526   .176   .778   2.8   8.4   11.2   3.0   1.3   0.6   3.06   2.80   28.0
1992-93    Utah   82   82   37.8   .552   .200   .740   2.8   8.4   11.2   3.8   1.5   1.0   2.93   3.20   27.0
1993-94    Utah   82   82   40.6   .497   .250   .694   2.9   8.6   11.5   4.0   1.5   1.5   2.85   3.30   25.2
1994-95    Utah   82   82   38.1   .536   .268   .742   1.9   8.7   10.6   3.5   1.6   1.0   2.88   3.30   26.7
1995-96    Utah   82   82   38.0   .519   .400   .723   2.1   7.7   9.8   4.2   1.7   0.7   2.43   3.00   25.7
1996-97    Utah   82   82   36.6   .550   .000   .755   2.4   7.5   9.9   4.5   1.4   0.6   2.84   2.60   27.4
1997-98    Utah   81   81   37.4   .530   .333   .761   2.3   8.0   10.3   3.9   1.2   0.9   3.05   2.90   27.0
1998-99    Utah   49   49   37.4   .493   .000   .788   2.2   7.3   9.4   4.1   1.3   0.6   3.31   2.70   23.8
1999-00    Utah   82   82   35.9   .509   .250   .797   2.1   7.4   9.5   3.7   1.0   0.9   2.82   2.80   25.5
2000-01    Utah   81   81   35.7   .498   .400   .793   1.4   6.9   8.3   4.5   1.2   0.8   3.01   2.70   23.2
2001-02    Utah   80   80   38.0   .454   .360   .797   1.8   6.8   8.6   4.3   1.9   0.7   3.29   2.90   22.4
2002-03    Utah   81   81   36.2   .462   .214   .763   1.4   6.4   7.8   4.7   1.7   0.4   2.59   2.50   20.6
2003-04    L.A. Lakers   42   42   32.7   .483   .000   .747   1.5   7.3   8.7   3.9   1.2   0.5   2.45   2.80   13.2
Career       1476   1471   37.2   .516   .274   .742   2.4   7.7   10.1   3.6   1.4   0.7   3.07   3.10   25.0
All-Star       12   8   20.3   .542   .000   .725   1.6   4.6   6.2   1.6   1.0   0.4   1.25   1.30   12.1



Tim Duncan

CAREER SEASON AVERAGES

Year   Team   G   GS   MPG   FG%          3P%           FT%          OFF   DEF   RPG   APG   SPG   BPG   TO   PF   PPG
97-98   SAS   82   82   39.1   0.549   0.000   0.662   3.3   8.6   11.9   2.7   0.7   2.5   3.40   3.10   21.1
98-99   SAS   50   50   39.3   0.495   0.143   0.690   3.2   8.2   11.4   2.4   0.9   2.5   2.92   2.90   21.7
99-00   SAS   74   74   38.9   0.490   0.091   0.761   3.5   8.9   12.4   3.2   0.9   2.2   3.27   2.80   23.2
00-01   SAS   82   82   38.7   0.499   0.259   0.618   3.2   9.0   12.2   3.0   0.9   2.3   2.95   3.00   22.2
01-02   SAS   82   82   40.6   0.508   0.100   0.799   3.3   9.4   12.7   3.7   0.7   2.5   3.21   2.60   25.5
02-03   SAS   81   81   39.3   0.513   0.273   0.710   3.2   9.7   12.9   3.9   0.7   2.9   3.06   2.90   23.3
03-04   SAS   69   68   36.6   0.501   0.167   0.599   3.3   9.2   12.4   3.1   0.9   2.7   2.65   2.40   22.3
04-05   SAS   66   66   33.4   0.496   0.333   0.670   3.1   8.0   11.1   2.7   0.7   2.6   1.92   2.20   20.3
05-06   SAS   80   80   34.8   0.484   0.400   0.629   2.9   8.1   11.0   3.2   0.9   2.0   2.48   2.70   18.6
06-07   SAS   80   80   34.1   0.546   0.111   0.637   2.7   7.9   10.6   3.4   0.8   2.4   2.80   2.50   20.0
07-08   SAS   78   78   34.0   0.497   0.000   0.730   3.0   8.3   11.3   2.8   0.7   2.0   2.28   2.40   19.3
08-09   SAS   75   75   33.6   0.504   0.000   0.692   2.7   8.0   10.7   3.5   0.5   1.7   2.20   2.30   19.3
Career   --   899   898   36.9   0.507   0.188   0.685   3.1   8.6   11.7   3.2   0.8   2.3   2.78   2.70   21.4
All-Star   --   11   10   23.8   0.584   0.333   0.800   3.1   7.5   10.6   2.5   0.8   0.7   2.45   1.30   11.9
   

[LunsJail]

That Bulls-Celtics game last night!!! Another classic. This is one first round series that I won't complain about being best of 7.

[D]

Yeah but isn't like all your guy's favorite team Utah so therefore Malone would be the obvious choice?

We can go back and forth on shit. Malone did have the 2nd greatest PG in NBA history feeding him the ball on pick and rolls. What PG's did Duncan have back in the day? Avery Johnson?

When Duncan won his first title, Robinson wasn't the player he was back in his MVP seasons and Duncan's supporting cast for the 2nd also wasn't great cause Parker wasnt Parker yet and Ginobli wasn't the beast he is now.

Malone is a better scorer and that is about it
Duncan is a better defender, rebounder, more clutch and better in the playoffs.



U keep talking about Houston... Barkley was over the hill, Hakeem was damn near finished and Drexler was old. So beating 3 hall of famers isn't the feat u are making it out to be.


In the Jordan era, the East was the best conference and usually who won the East won the title.


Im not saying its Duncan by a landslide, Malone is a better scorer than Duncan but Duncan was the better rebounder, defender, I think he made his teammates better and he is the best low post defending PF in NBA history. his intangibles and fundamentals are better than Malone's.

Where Duncan would hit the big play in the clutch, Malone would miss the FT's or get the ball stolen or what have u.

[faldor]

The Celtics/Bulls series has been unbelievable.  If this was the finals it would go down as the greatest series ever, but it won't get that recognition as a 1st round series.

Unfortunately as a Celts fan I think the end is near.  With all the injuries they've suffered their epth has been seriously minimized.  And the guys coming off the bench are playing very timidly (House, Marbury, T. Allen).  The Bulls are a lot deeper and should be more fresh for game 7.  The C's starter have logged big time minutes.

One thing is for sure, I wouldn't be surprised if they go into OT  AGAIN tomorrow night.

[Eazy E]

You can't ask for a better series than Bulls/Celtics... That game last night was out of control.

[D]

Bulls/Celtics is amazing

how bad of an indictement is it on T Mac that when he doesn't play, Hou get out of the first round!

[Layne Staley's Sunglasses]

T-Mac stinks, so does his cousin in New Jersey.

As for the Bulls, they should have won the series already.  That was a flagrant foul non-call on Rondo.  2 free throws and the ball.

[faldor]

T-Mac stinks, so does his cousin in New Jersey.

As for the Bulls, they should have won the series already.  That was a flagrant foul non-call on Rondo.  2 free throws and the ball.

That was absolutely NOT a flagrant foul.  You just don't make that call with 2 seconds left in a game, and for that matter anytime in a game.  Give Brad Miller an academy award for his acting that night.  And you're right the series should be over, if only Paul Pierce hit that free throw in the final seconds of game 2.

[D]

U cant really do the what ifs though, because say Miller hits those FT's

well, what if Paul Pierce hadn't bricked the FT in Game 1 I think it was?


This series has been amazing, 2nd only to SA and Dallas back in 06 when Dirk hit the miracle 3pt play to put it into ot in game 7 and Dallas won and win on to the finals.


I don't care if its a First Round Series, it is one of the greatest, most exciting series I've ever seen. when 5 out of the 6 games go to OT, that is just amazing. I can't wait to watch tonight.

will KG do a Willis Reed?

[faldor]

Yeah it's a shame one of these teams has to lose because they've both left it all out on the floor. Bot teams are undermanned in a sense.  The C's without KG and Powe.  The Bulls without Deng and what now appears to be an injured Ben Gordon.  Guys have really stepped up their games.

The big ? is, how many OT's does it go tonight?   And I don't see KG coming back this season, however long that may last.

[D]

I hate to say it cause its been a great series, but I think Boston will win by double digits tonight.

[faldor]

I'd like to think that but I don't see any reason why it won't be another nail biter.

[Layne Staley's Sunglasses]

T-Mac stinks, so does his cousin in New Jersey.

As for the Bulls, they should have won the series already.  That was a flagrant foul non-call on Rondo.  2 free throws and the ball.

That was absolutely NOT a flagrant foul.  You just don't make that call with 2 seconds left in a game, and for that matter anytime in a game.  Give Brad Miller an academy award for his acting that night.  And you're right the series should be over, if only Paul Pierce hit that free throw in the final seconds of game 2.

Yeah, he kept ketchup packets like those "pro wrestlers" do.

I wish I could bleed at will!

Ball = Orange

Brad Miller's head = Mostly White with Black Hair on Top

LET'S GO BULLS!








I have tickets for Game 1 on Monday. 

[D]

I hate to say it cause its been a great series, but I think Boston will win by double digits tonight.

Its a gift I tell u

which is why I am teaching sports wagering 101


man would I have loved to put 100 on the Derby today  50-1 winner!

[deadflowerII]

another gm7 today!!!....go HAWKS!....saying that ,i think the HEAT will win.....when does the ATL. win ANYTHING!!!

[faldor]

The Hawks are tough at home, they could take that series.  It might help if they "sweep the leg" on D. Wade though.

[faldor]

I hate to say it cause its been a great series, but I think Boston will win by double digits tonight.

Its a gift I tell u

which is why I am teaching sports wagering 101


man would I have loved to put 100 on the Derby today  50-1 winner!

Pretty good prediction.  That game was almost too easy last night.  Don't get me wrong, it was closer than the 10 point differential, but compared to the other games Boston was in control from the 2nd quarter on.  Great series though.  On to round 2 vs. Orlando.  The C's were able to neutralize Howard this season, but that will be more difficult without KG and Powe.  Depth in the front court is hard to come by these days.  Not many bodies to throw out there or fouls to give.