Entertainment Weekly suggests GN'R could perform at VMA's

[ppbebe]

yep he's subbed for Tommy.

3bs +1r, 3rs+1f, or 2rs+2bs, any chinese democracy lineup is more than  fine by me.  10 is greater than 8 or 9.
Or I guess chris will do fine just for a TV show..isn't he said to be like the 4th guitarist?
incidentally rock band is published by mtv games. 

That's if the band and the management  have got through with their game plans.

[Death Cube K]

Seems pretty simple to me... Is Robin a member of Guns N' Roses? If yes, than he leaves the NIN tour when GN'R/Axl needs him to be there. If no, than they warm up a tour replacement.

I fully back and understand side projects, but new management was brought in and they seem to have a more aggressive plan for marketing this new album than the prior regime did (at least it appears that way). If things are going to pick up in Sept, the band can't delay those plans because Robin is playing with NIN. If he wants to continue, he leaves NIN... Like I said, seems simple to me.

Yep..you got it right.

Considering Robin got a contract with Trent and just joined them, you won't be seeing him anytime soon in GNR. People doesn't get this little point about contracts and fulfilling your contract and so on. Naive people just think Robin jumps off NIN tour and everything there to go back to Axl when Axl wants him back because Chinese Democracy is coming. Ain't so at all.

It's simple and Robin ain't jumping off NIN.

[Continental Drift]

Seems pretty simple to me... Is Robin a member of Guns N' Roses? If yes, than he leaves the NIN tour when GN'R/Axl needs him to be there. If no, than they warm up a tour replacement.

I fully back and understand side projects, but new management was brought in and they seem to have a more aggressive plan for marketing this new album than the prior regime did (at least it appears that way). If things are going to pick up in Sept, the band can't delay those plans because Robin is playing with NIN. If he wants to continue, he leaves NIN... Like I said, seems simple to me.

Yep..you got it right.

Considering Robin got a contract with Trent and just joined them, you won't be seeing him anytime soon in GNR. People doesn't get this little point about contracts and fulfilling your contract and so on. Naive people just think Robin jumps off NIN tour and everything there to go back to Axl when Axl wants him back because Chinese Democracy is coming. Ain't so at all.

It's simple and Robin ain't jumping off NIN.

True. But have you seen every clause in Robin's contract with NIN? Or his contract with GN'R (if currently in a contractual relationship with GN'R) for that matter? I sincerely doubt either is some "form" contract printed off the internet. In fact, I would be quite certain that this exact scenario is addressed specifically in one if not both of them. Robin's "obligation" will then be to conform his conduct to those clauses (and not some vague notion of "keeping up his end of the deal" or whatever). IMHO at worst... he (or perhaps even GN'R) pays a termination fee to Trent to get out of his NIN contract.... Expensive and a pain in the ass no doubt... but not IMPOSSIBLE.

[GypsySoul]

True. But have you seen every clause in Robin's contract with NIN? Or his contract with GN'R (if currently in a contractual relationship with GN'R) for that matter? I sincerely doubt either is some "form" contract printed off the internet. In fact, I would be quite certain that this exact scenario is addressed specifically in one if not both of them. Robin's "obligation" will then be to conform his conduct to those clauses (and not some vague notion of "keeping up his end of the deal" or whatever).

I dunno bout that cause isn't this like the third time Robin's been back-n-forth between the two bands?  And I believe it's been established that "this exact scenario" kinda took everyone outside of NIN by surprise. 

IMHO at worst... he (or perhaps even GN'R) pays a termination fee to Trent to get out of his NIN contract.... Expensive and a pain in the ass no doubt... but not IMPOSSIBLE.

Or maybe at this point GNR just doesn't want him back.


Edited to add something "on topic" cause I got confused between this thread and the other one. 

When I read this in Entertainment Weekly, I didn't take it as anything more than just band names thrown out there as opposed to an actual "wish list" by the VMA people.

[C0ma]

Not to derail the actual subject here and mimic another very large thread here, but...

This exact senario is what everyone was worried about when it was announced that Robin was touring with NIN. Also the fact that he is with NIN is what makes this so much different than any other side project. It is going to be tougher to just leave a major act like NIN/Trent Reznor hangin in the breeze just because GnR has started moving forward again.
In my mind that is what makes Robin's decsion so odd, what if everything falls into place while he is on the road with Trent? What then, does he expect Axl (GnR) to just wait... It's already been 8-9 years whats another few months... If this VMA rumor has any thread of truth than this must really chap Axl's ass that Robin did this. The band will have to get back together to rehearse so unless Robin leaves the NIN tour, I can't see him being at the VMA's. If I were Axl, and he wasn't at the VMA's becuase of another band's tour, he'd be replaced... Sure Pittman has filled in for Tommy (injury), and Frank filled in for Brain (Child Birth) although no sign of Brain for quite a while, but those were legit reasons. In my mind a NIN tour isn't a legit reason.

One thing that I have been thinking about over the past few days, the VMA's would be their first performance since the tour ended. I wonder if they would schedule a few one off shows to get some stage time. I would hate for a near repeat of 02' due to nerves etc...

[GNR4L]

Yeah but who say's their gonna play at the VMA's ? they named a couple of groups and artist, don't get your hopes up.

[AxlsMainMan]

Fingers crossed

[C0ma]

Yeah but who say's their gonna play at the VMA's ? they named a couple of groups and artist, don't get your hopes up.

I said "the VMA's would be their first performance since the tour ended", meaning they may play the VMA's.

If everything falls perfectly that makes September a big month for Chinese Democracy, which in my mind points out what a bad spot Robin's tour puts them in. That's all.

[AxlsMainMan]

If the MTV performance is the only gig they have on the horizon, why can't Chris just fill in for Robin?

Problem solved.

[GypsySoul]

If the MTV performance is the only gig they have on the horizon, why can't Chris just fill in for Robin?

Problem solved.

Because then you'd need someone to fill in Chris' part on synth/keys

[AxlsMainMan]

They managed just fine at the Versace gig last year.

I'm sure they could pick a new song where Dizzy could handle Chris' parts.

[ppbebe]

They managed just fine at the Versace gig last year.

plus,
if my memory serves me right chris even thought it wasn't necessary for him to be on the 2006 world tour before axl insisted.

Still it would be great if Guns n robin could appear at vmas.

[AxlsMainMan]

plus,
if my memory serves me right chris even thought it wasn't necessary for him to be on the 2006 world tour before axl insisted.

I don't remember hearing that.

Still it would be great if Guns n robin could appear at vmas.

Yeah, that would be the best case scenario.

But if it just isn't possible, I'm sure alternatives could be looked into.

[The_Wretched]

they can rehearse the songs in a few hours... 2, 3 tops...

robin and the rest of the boys don't need weeks to get ready for a VMA performance. they know the songs perfectly and are all superb musicians... none of them are amateurs or mediocre musicians.

robin can get off the bus the night before and be ready the day of the VMAs...

not saying that will happen... but worst case scenario, it's not the end of the world.

[GypsySoul]

I'm sure they could pick a new song where Dizzy could handle Chris' parts.

Then they'll need someone to fill in for Dizzy's parts. 

if my memory serves me right chris even thought it wasn't necessary for him to be on the 2006 world tour before axl insisted.

WTF??  where did you get that from?? 

You're just making shit up now, right? 


From everything I've heard/read, Chris' "sound" plays a major part in GNR. 

[AxlsMainMan]

Then they'll need someone to fill in for Dizzy's parts. 

Not really.

If Chris doesn't have alot of parts on a particular song, I'm sure Dizzy is more than capable of multitasking.

[burnz007]

I hope they don't actually perform at VMAs... I'd love to see them perform live on TV, but not the VMAs. 
MTV has absolutely nothing to do w/ music anymore... I don't want to see GNR validate the VMAs by performing live.  2002 was exciting... but so much of the aftermath was bad press... "Axl's fat, his voice is blown", "They look like a circus", "Where's Slash?", "Who's the idiot w/ the bucket on his head"...

And as stupid as it sounds, hearing that shit actually gets to me and pisses me off because I know it's not true and I feel it necessary to defend the band as though it even makes a difference.

so, No the VMAs !! 

[Continental Drift]

True. But have you seen every clause in Robin's contract with NIN? Or his contract with GN'R (if currently in a contractual relationship with GN'R) for that matter? I sincerely doubt either is some "form" contract printed off the internet. In fact, I would be quite certain that this exact scenario is addressed specifically in one if not both of them. Robin's "obligation" will then be to conform his conduct to those clauses (and not some vague notion of "keeping up his end of the deal" or whatever).

I dunno bout that cause isn't this like the third time Robin's been back-n-forth between the two bands?  And I believe it's been established that "this exact scenario" kinda took everyone outside of NIN by surprise.

Fair point. But it could very well have been the timing and actuality of it that took people by surprise. It doesn't mean that it took the written contract collecting dust somewhere "by surprise" though. I honestly cannot see how either party (Axl/GN'R or Trent/NIN) could sit down at any point over the last several years and negotiate an employment contract with Robin Finck in good faith and NOT address the fact that he has a substantial history of bouncing back and forth between the bands. I suppose there are plenty of bad lawyers out there though...

Ultimately there are termination fees and/or damage clauses that provide the avenue for exit. Of course it could cost Robin (or GN'R if they're willing to "finance" his return)... but I don't think this should be portrayed as even if he'd really want to be with GN'R he couldn't b/c he's 1,0000% obligated by law to play for NIN for the next 3 years or whatever...

[GypsySoul]

Then they'll need someone to fill in for Dizzy's parts. 

Not really.

If Chris doesn't have alot of parts on a particular song, I'm sure Dizzy is more than capable of multitasking.

I'm sure Dizzy is very capable too ... but I get the impression that GNR is more about the "synergy" of the band especially when presenting themselves on a major platform like the VMAs or on tour. 

Fair point. But it could very well have been the timing and actuality of it that took people by surprise. It doesn't mean that it took the written contract collecting dust somewhere "by surprise" though. I honestly cannot see how either party (Axl/GN'R or Trent/NIN) could sit down at any point over the last several years and negotiate an employment contract with Robin Finck in good faith and NOT address the fact that he has a substantial history of bouncing back and forth between the bands. I suppose there are plenty of bad lawyers out there though...

I don't understand what you're saying in the part that I bolded (but I agree with the rest).  Are you saying that you think it IS probably addressed in his contract(s)?

[Continental Drift]

Then they'll need someone to fill in for Dizzy's parts. 

Not really.

If Chris doesn't have alot of parts on a particular song, I'm sure Dizzy is more than capable of multitasking.

I'm sure Dizzy is very capable too ... but I get the impression that GNR is more about the "synergy" of the band especially when presenting themselves on a major platform like the VMAs or on tour. 

Fair point. But it could very well have been the timing and actuality of it that took people by surprise. It doesn't mean that it took the written contract collecting dust somewhere "by surprise" though. I honestly cannot see how either party (Axl/GN'R or Trent/NIN) could sit down at any point over the last several years and negotiate an employment contract with Robin Finck in good faith and NOT address the fact that he has a substantial history of bouncing back and forth between the bands. I suppose there are plenty of bad lawyers out there though...

I don't understand what you're saying in the part that I bolded (but I agree with the rest).  Are you saying that you think it IS probably addressed in his contract(s)?

Sorry. No. Just saying I would be surprised if it wasn't. I haven't seen the contracts either though...